The War on Journalism

[koshergrl]

No, you're embarassed that you don't understand what's happening.

Political Theater

all socially engineered to have one's focus directed

usually to take any focus off real issues

~S~

We've been saying that about the democrats for years. Glad you're on board.

 

[Coyote]

The abduction and likely death of Kashoggi. A surprisingly sycophantic attitude from an American President known for cosying to autocrats. It must be “rogue assassins”...or something. Or something.

To abduct a person from a consulate on another nation’s territory...against that nation’s laws, represents a new and much more dangerous assault on journalistic freedom. In fact...I think it is unheard of. And it puts the US in a tricky position. Saudi Arabia is our ally. But a free media and the rights of journalists to report, and to hold their governments responsible has long been an underpinning of American Democracy. We have censored allies before for bad behavior...withheld sales for example.

We are witnessing a demise journalistic freedomof around the world journalists are being threatened, killed and jailed for trying to do their jobs. They depend on bigger more powerful countries to look out for their rights should authoritarian states come down on them.

If we kow tow to the Saudi’s over this, what does that tell other dictators and what does it say to our values?

If journalists today had a lick of integrity they would have more moral authority.

Right now no one respects them as investigators but only view them as political hacks spinning a narrative for their corporate ownership.

I disagree Jim. There many good and frankly courages journalists around the world. I listen to NPR and they have done top in-depth reporting on the opioid crisis, the increase in black lung disease and healthcare. Other journalists have been imprisonments in Myanmar for reporting on genocide, in China for reporting on government bad actors, in Egypt, Russia, Hungary, etc.

There are plenty with integrity, and we should call out those who don’t, andtbereare libeland slander laws as well, but we should not infringe on their rights.

Who else will keep government honest and people informed...the state?

 

[Coyote]

Trump has had several lame comments on this subject to be sure. On the other hand, ruining the economy over one person seems a pretty high price to pay. I find most journalists, are not. They are socialists with a mission. It would be great if we had journalists.

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

Who is Carter Blanche?

A figment of the auto correct’s imagination!

 

[Coyote]

Freedom and the Media 2019: A Downward Spiral

• Freedom of the media has been deteriorating around the world over the past decade.
• In some of the most influential democracies in the world, populist leaders have overseen concerted attempts to throttle the independence of the media sector.
• While the threats to global media freedom are real and concerning in their own right, their impact on the state of democracy is what makes them truly dangerous.

The fundamental right to seek and disseminate information through an independent press is under attack, and part of the assault has come from an unexpected source. Elected leaders in many democracies, who should be press freedom’s staunchest defenders, have made explicit attempts to silence critical media voices and strengthen outlets that serve up favorable coverage. The trend is linked to a global decline in democracy itself: The erosion of press freedom is both a symptom of and a contributor to the breakdown of other democratic institutions and principles, a fact that makes it especially alarming.

According to Freedom House’s Freedom in the World data, media freedom has been deteriorating around the world over the past decade, with new forms of repression taking hold in open societies and authoritarian states alike. The trend is most acute in Europe, previously a bastion of well-established freedoms, and in Eurasia and the Middle East, where many of the world’s worst dictatorships are concentrated. If democratic powers cease to support media independence at home and impose no consequences for its restriction abroad, the free press corps could be in danger of virtual extinction.

And this is on reason why Kashogi’s murder should matter.

---------------------------------------------- I don't care about 'press freedom' or any freedom around the world for others than Americans IN the USA . And if things are getting too hot for media over seas they oughta get into a different line of work . Every 'journalist' I ever heard about is a VOLUNTEER Journalist . I only care about what is reported on in the USA and seems to me that media or press freedom in the USA has really gone to heck Coyote .

You should care.

 

[Coyote]

Fake journalists and the schools that create them have declared war on the American people.

So if we're at war with them, that's why. They're liars, propagandists, racketeers and traitors.

Who will expose the state’s bad behavior then?

 

[Coyote]

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

Maybe you could explain how your "war on journalism" OP has anything to do with what the Saudis did? You hooked it to Trump somehow, which is hardly surprising, but ridiculous. The supposed "journalists" hounding Trump have nothing to do journalism, I know, I have a BS degree in journalism. You're not mentioning what the cartels in Mehico, which you are content to let operate over our border, do to journalists who get close to them. Or what happens to journalists who displease Putin....but he was murdering journalists long before Trump was elected so you can't hook that to Trump. This thread belongs in your favorite destination for OPs that you don't agree with... the Rubber Room, so why isn't it there where it belongs....because you're a mod?

My op does not mention Trump.

And as for the rest of what you are saying...it is part of the problem. I have mentioned Russia, forgot about Mexico, but that is a good example. Mentioned China and Myanmar and others. Feel free to add info.

Thread isn’t about Trump though he is not exactly a proponent of journalistic freedom.

 

[Coyote]

Freedom of the press does not mean that the press won't be called upon to answer for its lying.

The fake press are liars, propagandists, and traitors. If you pretend to be *press* and then use that freedom to bring harm to your country, influence elections, destroy people and get people killed, guess what? You're a criminal. Your *press* badge won't protect you from being prosecuted for treason, collusion, or conspiracy to commit.

So...if the media doesn’t support your political view or candidate...it is treason? Even if reporting the truth? A very dangerous path to take. What if those in power decide your view is treason?

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who is Carter Blanche?

A figment of the auto correct’s imagination!

Yeah, my auto correct keeps changing 'Greta' to 'Great'.

Dang auto-correct, may the inventor of that dang thing 'roast in piss'.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Who will expose the state’s bad behavior then?

New journalism that hasn't sold out to the Establishment yet.

Never trust what you read and only half of what you hear if you can also see it for yourself, lol.

 

[Coyote]

Who will expose the state’s bad behavior then?

New journalism that hasn't sold out to the Establishment yet.

Never trust what you read and only half of what you hear if you can also see it for yourself, lol.

Isn’t to hard to apply critical thinking skills. Many of those who distrust certain media completely trust others, so no logic there.

Read from a variety of sources.
Be on the look out for red flags, inflammatory and emotional language for example. Lots of unnamed sources. Lack of balance...do they reach out or at least attempt to reach out to all the sides?

 

[pismoe]

AS i have said before . All the reported news does for me is to provide CLUES in the same way that message boards provide Clues about whats going on in the world . And thats from 'kashoogi' to 'hong kong' . After being clued into whats going on i check things out for myself . 'kashoogi' is not an important event while 'hong kong' is so less time is spent looking around for 'kashoogi' .

 

[Billiejeens]

Fake journalists and the schools that create them have declared war on the American people.

So if we're at war with them, that's why. They're liars, propagandists, racketeers and traitors.

Who will expose the state’s bad behavior then?

After 8 years of a complete and total sycophant media that protected and promoted (with fake news and omitted real news) Barack Obama and the Democrats - that's a great question. (The protection didn't start then - they simply stopped trying to hide it.)
So then Trump wins and the same media tries to destroy President Trump (with Fake News and omitted real news).

The American Media today are simply activist promoters. They see their destiny as shaping the new American Value system, as they can't get enough of their people elected to do their bidding.

Israel bad - everyone who hates Israel good.
Devout Christianity bad- Devout Islam good
Homeless People virtuous - working people bad
Gay, Transgender, etc. virtuous - Heterosexual people oppressive


They are here to oppress behavior that they don't like.


So if you are thinking that the media even thinks that it has as it's job to properly hold people accountable, with the truth - you may need to adjust your thinking.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Isn’t to hard to apply critical thinking skills. Many of those who distrust certain media completely trust others, so no logic there.
Read from a variety of sources.
Be on the look out for red flags, inflammatory and emotional language for example. Lots of unnamed sources. Lack of balance...do they reach out or at least attempt to reach out to all the sides?

In addition to the above, I have found that if a site does not allow comments, they are usually posting things they dont want to discuss or leave open for input, which implies they know they have weak claims from the gitgo. This seems to be the most reliable indicator of 'fake news'.

As to Critical Thinking skills, most people have no clue what that actually is. Many think it allows only for deterministic materialism, others think it means that you must agree with their ideology. Ideological constrained thought is also a huge indicator of a lack of balance and realism in analysis.

 

[JimBowie1958]

AS i have said before . All the reported news does for me is to provide CLUES in the same way that message boards provide Clues about whats going on in the world . And thats from 'kashoogi' to 'hong kong' . After being clued into whats going on i check things out for myself . 'kashoogi' is not an important event while 'hong kong' is so less time is spent looking around for 'kashoogi' .

Western news sources are almost entirely corrupted by Progressive ideology. Just read an article this morning that Trumps transcript of his Ukraine call is now doubted because of the presence of ellipsis in the transcript, as they say that could mean that text was omitted.
Odd markings, ellipses fuel doubts about the ‘rough transcript’ of Trump’s Ukraine call

Yes, and ellipsis can also mean a pause in speaking too, sheesh!

ellipsis
noun
el·lip·sis | \ i-ˈlip-səs , e-\
plural ellipses\ i-ˈlip-ˌsēz , e- \
Definition of ellipsis


1a : the omission of one or more words that are obviously understood but that must be supplied to make a construction grammatically complete
b : a sudden leap from one topic to another
2 : marks or a mark (such as … ) indicating an omission (as of words) or a pause


The Washington Post editors dont know the difference between ellipses and ellipsis, as well.

 

[Andylusion]

The abduction and likely death of Kashoggi. A surprisingly sycophantic attitude from an American President known for cosying to autocrats. It must be “rogue assassins”...or something. Or something.

To abduct a person from a consulate on another nation’s territory...against that nation’s laws, represents a new and much more dangerous assault on journalistic freedom. In fact...I think it is unheard of. And it puts the US in a tricky position. Saudi Arabia is our ally. But a free media and the rights of journalists to report, and to hold their governments responsible has long been an underpinning of American Democracy. We have censored allies before for bad behavior...withheld sales for example.

We are witnessing a demise journalistic freedomof around the world journalists are being threatened, killed and jailed for trying to do their jobs. They depend on bigger more powerful countries to look out for their rights should authoritarian states come down on them.

If we kow tow to the Saudi’s over this, what does that tell other dictators and what does it say to our values?

Like every president in US history, we get alone with whoever is in power. Little is gained by being the enemy of every single leader in the worlds, whose poop smells.

I'm a little amazed by the hypocrisy given that Obama got along with autocrats too. Why is it that no matter what your guy does, it's ok, and when anyone else does the same thing, that's bad?

It's because you people are moral bankrupt hypocrites.

Regardless, I have no problem with defending the rights of journalism in the US. When you see Trump, ordering the murder of journalists, let me know and we'll start a campaign against him.

Now I don't know what "withheld sales" means, but the left-wing has specifically targeted right-wing media for years. It was Democrats, not Republicans, which attempted to pass the Hush Rush law in the 1990s. It was Democrats, not Republicans, which pressured Youtube to de-monetize Steven Crowder. It was Democrats, not Republicans, that threatened violence against conservative speakers at public universities.

The left-wing is the anti-free-speech party of the US.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

The abduction and likely death of Kashoggi. A surprisingly sycophantic attitude from an American President known for cosying to autocrats. It must be “rogue assassins”...or something. Or something.

To abduct a person from a consulate on another nation’s territory...against that nation’s laws, represents a new and much more dangerous assault on journalistic freedom. In fact...I think it is unheard of. And it puts the US in a tricky position. Saudi Arabia is our ally. But a free media and the rights of journalists to report, and to hold their governments responsible has long been an underpinning of American Democracy. We have censored allies before for bad behavior...withheld sales for example.

We are witnessing a demise journalistic freedomof around the world journalists are being threatened, killed and jailed for trying to do their jobs. They depend on bigger more powerful countries to look out for their rights should authoritarian states come down on them.

If we kow tow to the Saudi’s over this, what does that tell other dictators and what does it say to our values?

**** the media as long as they're in the pockets of the democratic party screw them pull their first amendment right

 

[Billiejeens]

The abduction and likely death of Kashoggi. A surprisingly sycophantic attitude from an American President known for cosying to autocrats. It must be “rogue assassins”...or something. Or something.

To abduct a person from a consulate on another nation’s territory...against that nation’s laws, represents a new and much more dangerous assault on journalistic freedom. In fact...I think it is unheard of. And it puts the US in a tricky position. Saudi Arabia is our ally. But a free media and the rights of journalists to report, and to hold their governments responsible has long been an underpinning of American Democracy. We have censored allies before for bad behavior...withheld sales for example.

We are witnessing a demise journalistic freedomof around the world journalists are being threatened, killed and jailed for trying to do their jobs. They depend on bigger more powerful countries to look out for their rights should authoritarian states come down on them.

If we kow tow to the Saudi’s over this, what does that tell other dictators and what does it say to our values?

Like every president in US history, we get alone with whoever is in power. Little is gained by being the enemy of every single leader in the worlds, whose poop smells.

I'm a little amazed by the hypocrisy given that Obama got along with autocrats too. Why is it that no matter what your guy does, it's ok, and when anyone else does the same thing, that's bad?

It's because you people are moral bankrupt hypocrites.

Regardless, I have no problem with defending the rights of journalism in the US. When you see Trump, ordering the murder of journalists, let me know and we'll start a campaign against him.

Now I don't know what "withheld sales" means, but the left-wing has specifically targeted right-wing media for years. It was Democrats, not Republicans, which attempted to pass the Hush Rush law in the 1990s. It was Democrats, not Republicans, which pressured Youtube to de-monetize Steven Crowder. It was Democrats, not Republicans, that threatened violence against conservative speakers at public universities.

The left-wing is the anti-free-speech party of the US.

Absolutely

 

[pismoe]

I think that the claim it would ruin the economy is a straw man. The Saudi’s by 99.9% of their weapons systems from us. These are complex proprietary systems. Russian systems don’t talk to Chinese systems don’t talk to American systems etc. The Saudi’s have invested billions into our systems, they are not going to start from scratch with another supplier.

The other question is...are you proposing we give Carter Blanche to them? They can do whatever they want in the territory of another ally, Turkey? When do we take a stand?

Does journalistic freedom mean anything to you? I don’t like all journalists and reporting, but where do you draw the line? Authoritarianism vs a free media. And a free media is the only check on governments.

Maybe you could explain how your "war on journalism" OP has anything to do with what the Saudis did? You hooked it to Trump somehow, which is hardly surprising, but ridiculous. The supposed "journalists" hounding Trump have nothing to do journalism, I know, I have a BS degree in journalism. You're not mentioning what the cartels in Mehico, which you are content to let operate over our border, do to journalists who get close to them. Or what happens to journalists who displease Putin....but he was murdering journalists long before Trump was elected so you can't hook that to Trump. This thread belongs in your favorite destination for OPs that you don't agree with... the Rubber Room, so why isn't it there where it belongs....because you're a mod?

My op does not mention Trump.

And as for the rest of what you are saying...it is part of the problem. I have mentioned Russia, forgot about Mexico, but that is a good example. Mentioned China and Myanmar and others. Feel free to add info.

Thread isn’t about Trump though he is not exactly a proponent of journalistic freedom.

--------------------------------------- I think that TRUMP is a proponent of freely practiced 'journalism' in the USA but like me he doesn't much care about foreign / foreign journalism and the trial and tribulations of those same foreign / fureign journalists like 'kashoogy' [as an example] Coyote .

 

[WillPower]

Isn’t to hard to apply critical thinking skills. Many of those who distrust certain media completely trust others, so no logic there.

Read from a variety of sources.
Be on the look out for red flags, inflammatory and emotional language for example. Lots of unnamed sources. Lack of balance...do they reach out or at least attempt to reach out to all the sides?

What used to be so-called "advocacy journalism" is now just agitprop. It started with WaPo bringing down Nixon instead of going after the rotten traitor LBJ. Woodward became the model of the crusading journalist...as long as it was a GOP target...they don't investigate their own. And then the despicable Walter Cronkite showed them they could get rich and clink martini glasses with the rich and powerful, who they were supposed to be guarding us against. Back in the day, newspaper reporters worked their way up a minor league system that usually started in a southern weekly writing obits. If they played their cards right, they moved further and further north until they hit the big rags. By then most were drunks who hated the politicians they had to cover. The good ones were bold as hell...they went after corrupt cops, rackets boys, and the crooks at city hall. Now? Print journalism is dead and it's all about the look....fake tits, dental implants, hair spray and makeup...and that's just the men! Any journalism worth a shit today is coming from the conservative blogs, James O'Keefe, and Judicial watch...period.

 

[koshergrl]

The UO journalism department literally sell themselves as *story tellers* who are *changing the world*.

"...skilled communicators have the power to inform the public, influence legislation, and inspire change."

"Inspiring" and "changing" is not what journalists are supposed to do, nor are they supposed to be workign to *influence legislation*.

They are supposed to provide the facts, free of bias. Otherwise, they aren't journalists, they're OP ED writers. Or lobbyists, depending on the situation.

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