The unspoken moral dilemma of socialists

[owebo]

Wrong. There wouldn't be roads or power water you name it.

Ha, this comment is ignorance exemplified.

The state does not actually go and build roads and supply power/water. They pay others to do it, by illegitimately stealing money from Americans.

I never said the state not sure how you got there. You need others

It's a propaganda trick of his.....he's just trying to lure you into a nonsensical argument to show his limited ignorance he no doubt thinks is brilliance....

 

[AntonToo]

Are you sure you understand what the word LEGITIMATE means?

Yes, and I am now sure that you do not.

le·git·i·mate
adjective
ləˈjidəmət/

1. 1.
   conforming to the law or to rules.

Taxation is LEGITIMATE as it conforms to the law and so clearly you didn't understand what the word means.

 

[owebo]

That's just fascists....and that can be fixed.....

Your ignorance never fails you.

Fascism is the ultimate form of statism.

What I believe in is literally the exact opposite of fascism. Actual declared fascists often get in brawls with my kind.

The brown shirts?

 

[Onyx]

No rule of law working for the majority

Rule of law is bullshit.

It is just the legitimization of tyranny as a basis for a civilized society. No different than social contract theory, which is what liberals uphold.

 

[Onyx]

le·git·i·mate
adjective
ləˈjidəmət/

1. 1.
   conforming to the law or to rules.

The established law is illegitimate since it contradicts natural law, which takes precedence.

The established law has absolutely zero grounds for legitimacy.

 

[AntonToo]

le·git·i·mate
adjective
ləˈjidəmət/

1. 1.
   conforming to the law or to rules.

The established law is illegitimate since it contradicts natural law, which takes precedence.

The established law has absolutely zero grounds for legitimacy.

Which "natural law" contradicts taxation?

Legal minds and philosophers everywhere are holding their breath in anticipation of your answer.

 

[owebo]

No rule of law working for the majority

Rule of law is bullshit.

It is just the legitimization of tyranny as a basis for a civilized society. No different than social contract theory, which is what liberals uphold.

But putting some free people in charge of other free people is ok in your book....huh.....

 

[Onyx]

The brown shirts?

People who actually call themselves fascists, literally in this day and age, pick fights with individuals who adhere to individualism and libertarianism.

You are under some massive confusion that ultimate liberty =fascism.

 

[owebo]

The brown shirts?

People who actually call themselves fascists, literally in this day and age, pick fights with individuals who adhere to individualism and libertarianism.

You are under some massive confusion that ultimate liberty =fascism.

There is no such thing as ultimate Liberty.....

 

[Onyx]

Which "natural law" contradicts taxation?

Legal minds and philosophers everywhere are holding their breath in anticipation of your answer.

Because the established law is a social construction that seeks to govern humanity using an unnatural system as opposed to a natural system.

Therefore the state is illegitimate.

My sides philosophy has always been superior.

 

[AntonToo]

You are under some massive confusion that ultimate liberty =fascism.

No, it's not fascism...it's chaos and lawlessness.

 

[Onyx]

There is no such thing as ultimate Liberty.....

Sure there is.

No state means no legalized permission.

That is absolute liberty.

 

[owebo]

Which "natural law" contradicts taxation?

Legal minds and philosophers everywhere are holding their breath in anticipation of your answer.

Because the established law is a social construction that seeks to govern humanity using an unnatural system as opposed to a natural system.

Therefore the state is illegitimate.

My sides philosophy has always been superior.

What side do you think you are?

 

[owebo]

There is no such thing as ultimate Liberty.....

Sure there is.

No state means no legalized permission.

That is absolute liberty.

Liberty does not equal freedom....

You seem to have zero clue what that means....

 

[Weatherman2020]

 

[Onyx]

No, it's not fascism...it's chaos and lawlessness.

Outrageously false. Do you know anything about political science?

Fasces is a derivative of "Collectivism and a lack of individualism"

Mussolini defines it as a state that works for corporations.

Therefore fascism = statism, since all states work for corporations.

 

[AntonToo]

Which "natural law" contradicts taxation?

Legal minds and philosophers everywhere are holding their breath in anticipation of your answer.

Because the established law is a social construction that seeks to govern humanity using an unnatural system as opposed to a natural system.

Therefore the state is illegitimate.

My sides philosophy has always been superior.

Your side?

Who is your side exactly? I spoke to many nutbags, NEVER quite crazy enough to advocate abolishment of government.

You are right about on your own there space cadet.

 

[Onyx]

Liberty does not equal freedom....

You seem to have zero clue what that means...

I agree liberty does not = freedom.

You actually said this earlier, so I am just repeating myself now.

Freedom is having control over ones own personhood. Liberty is permission as given by the state.

Absolute liberty is an oxymoron, which is where your confusion is probably stemming from. Considering its positive connotations, I am happy to stick with that oxymoron.

 

[Onyx]

I spoke to many nutbags, NEVER quite crazy enough to advocate abolishment of government.

Clearly you have not gotten around much. You are still in your bubble of ignorance.

Anyways, as I told you earlier, I am not opposed to governance. Stop strawmanning my position please.

 

[jc456]

Which "natural law" contradicts taxation?

Legal minds and philosophers everywhere are holding their breath in anticipation of your answer.

Because the established law is a social construction that seeks to govern humanity using an unnatural system as opposed to a natural system.

Therefore the state is illegitimate.

My sides philosophy has always been superior.

So you believe in no money? Cause it sure seems like it