The Ukraine - place blame where it TRULY belongs

[Delldude]

No need. I don’t waste my time taking this stuff seriously. It’s all part of the political clown show. It’s entertainment, nothing more

And time will tell.

 

[Slade3200]

And time will tell.

Oh boy. The ol wait and see. This is getting burning now.

Care to answer my question about the child rape?

 

[Delldude]

Oh boy. The ol wait and see. This is getting burning now.

Care to answer my question about the child rape?

Have to wait and see if something arises from the FBI investigation, they have the laptop and its contents were verified as authentic by the New York Times, remember.

 

[Slade3200]

Have to wait and see if something arises from the FBI investigation, they have the laptop and its contents were verified as authentic by the New York Times, remember.

Were they? All of the contents were verified as authentic or some of the contents?

Cause if the child porn was verified as authentic then what in the hell are they waiting for?

 

[Tommy Tainant]

The Ukraine and its history is no stranger to war and military skirmishes.

List of wars involving Ukraine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You would think, by now, the so-called "leaders" would have learned something from the centuries of conflicts, causing destruction and death. But obviously not, since it continues.

WHY hasn't the Ukrainian "leaders" over the past few decades used their power and alliances with "free" countries to beef up their military, secure their borders, and create safety shelters for its citizens? WHERE has all the money gone that they have begged for, in order to help the Ukraine overcome these wars and military conflicts???

I'd say it isn't the invading forces fault that they can easily walk in and easily cause massive destruction and conflict. It seems it's the lack of the Ukrainian "leaders" initiatives to create safe borders, a beefed up and ready to go military, and safe places for the citizens to go in order to escape the dangers and destruction.

Much like Puerto Rico and their hurricanes..........the Ukrainian "leaders" obviously don't give a rats ass about their country or their people they are supposed to protect, since they have never used any of the money given to them by other countries, to beef up and arm their military, secure all borders, and create safe places for the citizens to go in case of another military strike.

Seems to me these "leaders" are just using their country as their own personal ATM.......much like the Democrats using the USA's citizens as their own personal ATM!!! They have no regard for the lives they are in charge of, until the world is looking at them under a microscope. Then, all of a sudden, they are begging for help and money.

I cannot feel sorry for a country that doesn't force it's leaders to ethically, legally, and humanely run their country and use the money they are given to protect said country and secure it, instead of shoving that money into their pockets.

It's not Putins fault. It's the Ukrainian "leaders" fault. Place blame where it TRULY belongs.

Its Ukraine not the Ukraine.

 

[Delldude]

Were they? All of the contents were verified as authentic or some of the contents?

Cause if the child porn was verified as authentic then what in the hell are they waiting for?

You do know several other news entities either have verified copies or access to those copies......and regarding pictures of a sexual nature, there are already copies (suitable for viewing) on Google....and there are acknowledged unfit for public consumption photos also on/from the laptop, which the FBI now has.

As to what are they waiting for? If you remember, during several investigations involving Trump, both Barr and Mueller made comments as to one thing or another having to do with other current investigations and was one reason why there wasn't anything out just yet.

I have total confidence in the law enforcement capabilities of the US Government, after all, after many alleged charges of colluding with the Russian government, charges of direct involvement with Russia by President Trump in the 2016 election, our law enforcement people determined, beyond a shadow of a doubt that no American was involved with Russia in the election or was Trump found to be in collusion with Russia at any point in time.

And you accuse me of not being able to let this go......C'mon, man.

 

[Slade3200]

You do know several other news entities either have verified copies or access to those copies......and regarding pictures of a sexual nature, there are already copies (suitable for viewing) on Google....and there are acknowledged unfit for public consumption photos also on/from the laptop, which the FBI now has.

As to what are they waiting for? If you remember, during several investigations involving Trump, both Barr and Mueller made comments as to one thing or another having to do with other current investigations and was one reason why there wasn't anything out just yet.

I have total confidence in the law enforcement capabilities of the US Government, after all, after many alleged charges of colluding with the Russian government, charges of direct involvement with Russia by President Trump in the 2016 election, our law enforcement people determined, beyond a shadow of a doubt that no American was involved with Russia in the election or was Trump found to be in collusion with Russia at any point in time.

And you accuse me of not being able to let this go......C'mon, man.

I’m sorry man but you don’t sit on child rape for two years if you have verified evidence. I understand slow playing financial investigations as there is a lengthy disclosure process. This is different. The FBI has had this laptop for almost two years now. The photos and videos have been leaked. If they were verified then he would be behind bars. That’s tells me they aren’t verified meaning you must be lying when you say it’s all verified. Correct?

FYI… I used the term “lying” based on your standards for using that word. I personally would say “mistaken”

 

[Richard-H]

Does any of the following make sense to you?

'While the U.S. and NATO would prefer to not talk about it, Ukraine in fact has a serious Nazi problem.
MARCH 24, 2022

Concerning the War in Ukraine: No Love For Putin; No Guns For Nazis​

"In the aftermath of the U.S. supported Euromaidan uprising in 2014 (which fascist elements played a leading role in), the first post-revolution government was quick to install a number of Nazis and fascists to high office from the Svoboda & Right Sector parties including for the positions of Deputy Prime Minister (Oleksandr Sych – Svoboda), Secretary of the Ukrainian National Security and Defense Council (Andriy Parubiy – Svoboda), Deputy Secretary of National Security (Dmytro Yarosh – Right Sector), Minister of Ecology & Agricultural (Andriy Mokhnyk – Svoboda), Prosecutor General (Oleh Makhnitsky – Svoboda), and Minister of Internal Affairs (Arsen Avakov – not a member of a fascist party but a nationalist Nazi sympathizer who would go on to become the patron of Azov)."

So, should we invade Canada because there are a couple of Nazis there?

Ukraine did not invade Russia, whatever the beliefs of leading Ukrainians, there was no justification for this invasion and the mass murder that's going on.

 

[georgephillip]

So, should we invade Canada because there are a couple of Nazis there?

Only if Russia has been supporting Canadian Nazis in an attempt to destabilize DC since 1949; why is it so difficult for you to consider the possibility that the Greatest Purveyor of Violence in the World is partially culpable for the current killing in Ukraine?

 

[georgephillip]

Ukraine did not invade Russia, whatever the beliefs of leading Ukrainians, there was no justification for this invasion and the mass murder that's going on.

There would have likely been no war if the US had not been arming Ukrainians (including a significant numbers of neo-Nazis) in a long-running attempt at regime change in Russia.

"MARCH 24, 2022

"Concerning the War in Ukraine: No Love For Putin; No Guns For Nazis​

"Thus the question becomes: Should the US and NATO be arming the Ukrainians, and should American workers and Union members support such delivery of arms?

"If this were just a question of good vs. evil or the underdog vs. a regional powerhouse, I would venture to say the answer would be yes.

"However, there are other, dark truths in play here that should give us pause."

 

[Richard-H]

Only if Russia has been supporting Canadian Nazis in an attempt to destabilize DC since 1949; why is it so difficult for you to consider the possibility that the Greatest Purveyor of Violence in the World is partially culpable for the current killing in Ukraine?

So you justify mass murder because 80 years ago some other country committed mass murder and some people in the country that you're murdering have some similar points of view?

Currently, Russia is acting a whole lot more like Nazi Germany than anyone in Europe has since the demise of Nazi Germany.

 

[badger2]

In the media, the Chinese have asked America some questions. These questions will go into the history books as part of the truth of American-Chinese-Russian-Ukrainian history and politics for future peole to read about. Homo sapiens has not proven intelligent enough to locate and define the origins of SARS-CoV-2. By default, Homo sapiens has no business or intelligence categorizing the Chinese and Russian questions about bio-labs and the investigation into these labs, as conspiracy theory. From the beginning, these questions are facts of history, not conspiracy theory:

2022 marta 24 Minoborony KNR prizvalo U.S.A. Ob'iasnit' tseli ikh voenno-biologicheskikh proektov
Chinese Ministry of Defense Urges USA to Explain the Goals of Thier Military-Biological Projects

Минобороны КНР призвало США объяснить цели их военно-биологических проектов

США должны объяснить миру, каковы цели их военно-биологических проектов и почему о них нет детальной информации, заявил официальный представитель министерства... РИА Новости, 24.03.2022

ria.ru

' USA dolzhny ob'iasnit' niru, kakvo tseli voyenno-biologikan'yeskikh proiektov i pochemu o nikh net detal'noi informatsii, zaiavil ofitsial'nyi predstavvitel' ministrstva oborony kitaia U Tsian.
The USA must explain to the world what the goals of military bioscience are and why there is no detailed information about them, said Wu Qian, a spokesman for the Chinese Ministry of Defense.

My ne mozhem ne sprosit', kakova real'naia tsel' etikh proektov U.S.A.?
We can't help but ask, what is the real purpose of these U.S.A. projects?

Pochemu amerikanskaia storona ne obnarodovala podrobnuiu informatsiiu ob etikh proektakh?
Why did the American side not publish detailed information about these U.S.A. projects?

On takzhe zadalsia voprosami, pochemu, esli amerikanskaia laboratoriia na Ukraine zanimaetsia tol'ko nauchnymi issledovaniami monitoringom zabolevanii, v etot proekrt tak gluboko vovlechen Pentagon, i pochemu U.S.A. Na protiazheniiu 20 let byli protiv sozdaniia mnogostroennogo mekhanizma proverki Konventsii po biologicheskomu opruzhiiu.
He also wondered why, if the American laboratories in Ukraine are only engaging in scientific research and disease monitoring, why the Pentagon is so deeply involved in this project, and why the U.S. for 20 years have been against the creation of a multilateral verification mechanism for the Biological Weapons Convention.'

About fifteen minutes into the investigation, we discovered that many of these directors of these Pentagon-funded labs in Ukraine had no published science behind their names. The first one that was found linked to viruses studied at the University of Minnesota and animals in Ralph Baric's lab State for German wild boars trafficked into North Carolina in 1913.

 

[georgephillip]

So you justify mass murder because 80 years ago some other country committed mass murder and some people in the country that you're murdering have some similar points of view?

For the third time (or more) I don't justify mass murder regardless of the color of the flag the murderers kill under.

I understand why Russia would object to 75 years of US destabilization efforts on its western border by the biggest mass murderer on the planet since 1945.

Over the past eight years US/NATO weapons have been partially responsible for killing 13,000 Ukrainians in Donbas; how do you justify that example of mass murder?

 

[badger2]

So you justify mass murder because 80 years ago some other country committed mass murder and some people in the country that you're murdering have some similar points of view?

Currently, Russia is acting a whole lot more like Nazi Germany than anyone in Europe has since the demise of Nazi Germany.

Your mental problem is well known.

'Trying not to be a nazi approximates one to nazism far more radically than any irresponsible impatience in destratification. Nothing could be more politically disastrous than launching a moral case against nazism: nazism is morality itself. Resentment, that was something the nazis knew about.'
(Making it with Death: Remarks on Thanatos and Desiring Production)

Putin's denazification in Ukraine, by default, physically moves in space and time the boundaries represented by morality-fueled indignance (Ukrainian nazism) and the schizoid capitalist-NATO expansion eastward. Simultaneously, this prevents longer borders with NATO, whose origins begin with the Korean War and the psychopath, Truman.

 

[georgephillip]

Currently, Russia is acting a whole lot more like Nazi Germany than anyone in Europe has since the demise of Nazi Germany.

Russia is defending its sphere of influence in a similar fashion to the US in 1961.

Bay of Pigs Invasion

 

[badger2]

China's questioning is still not conspiracy theory. Hunter Biden has apparently been linked to Ukraine biological bioweapons on another USMB thread 10 minutes ago. The Cuba missile crisis Russian Federation Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Riabkov spoke about in December of last year (New York Post, 2021 Dec 27 "Top Russian Official Likens Ukraine Standoff to Cuban Missile Crisis").

Today, from the Chinese report in post #272, Riabkov states that:

'Rossiia budet predstavliat' novyi dokumenty ob ikh rabote, zaiavil pozzhe zamglavy MID Sergei Riabkov.
Russia will present new documents on their work, the Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation said.'

 

[Delldude]

I’m sorry man but you don’t sit on child rape for two years if you have verified evidence. I understand slow playing financial investigations as there is a lengthy disclosure process. This is different. The FBI has had this laptop for almost two years now. The photos and videos have been leaked. If they were verified then he would be behind bars. That’s tells me they aren’t verified meaning you must be lying when you say it’s all verified. Correct?

FYI… I used the term “lying” based on your standards for using that word. I personally would say “mistaken”

You sit on that evidence if it is part of an ongoing investigation.

Only suitable for time prime photos have been leaked. The tasty stuff is being withheld...according to several sources who have seen them....

You brought something to mind.....when Devin Nunes, John Solomon and several others were on conservative media claiming they had proof the dem attacks against Trump were BS.....where was your objective head at over that.

I got a good idea.

 

[Slade3200]

You sit on that evidence if it is part of an ongoing investigation.

Only suitable for time prime photos have been leaked. The tasty stuff is being withheld...according to several sources who have seen them....

You brought something to mind.....when Devin Nunes, John Solomon and several others were on conservative media claiming they had proof the dem attacks against Trump were BS.....where was your objective head at over that.

I got a good idea.

No you do t sit on evidence of child rape for two years. What’s wrong with you?!

 

[Delldude]

No you do t sit on evidence of child rape for two years. What’s wrong with you?!

LOL....if it is part of an ongoing investigation and would expose other parts of that investigation, you would.

Take a step back.....you are what you accused me of being.

 

[Delldude]

No you do t sit on evidence of child rape for two years. What’s wrong with you?!

Did you attack the authenticity of the Trump pee pee story and the Russian collusion story with the same zeal?