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No, as usual, your point is that everyone is in perpetual mortal danger unless they are always armed and that more guns in more hands is the only answer to the hazard of more guns in more hands.
The UCLA shooting shows how silly opponents of campus carry are....
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Here is an armed civilian who stopped a mass shooting last year...
Concealed Carrier Thwarts Possible Mass Shooting in NOLA
Friedman, the magistrate commissioner, found probable cause in relation to the shooting for the three counts of attempted second-degree murder as well as illegal use of a weapon, illegal carrying of a weapon and possession of a firearm by a felon.
Macklin was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in Texas in 2009, according to court records, and also has previous convictions in New Orleans for domestic abuse, battery and violations of a protective order.
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Defensive Gun Use of the Day: LA CCW Stops Mass Shooting - The Truth About Guns
On the afternoon of 31 January, 2016, some ten ATVs were getting gas at the intersection of Claiborne and Esplanade Avenues in New Orleans, Louisiana. Richard Macklin pulled up in a white Volvo. Police said Macklin became upset; the ATV riders were blocking the gas pumps. He pulled out a firearm and opened fire, sending more than a dozen rounds into the crowd. Three were wounded.
One of the wounded was armed . . .
He drew his legally carried weapon and fired at Macklin, hitting him in the head and stopping the attack. During the initial investigation, officers concluded that the person who fired back did so in legitimate defense of self and others
Concealed Carrier Thwarts Possible Mass Shooting in NOLA
Friedman, the magistrate commissioner, found probable cause in relation to the shooting for the three counts of attempted second-degree murder as well as illegal use of a weapon, illegal carrying of a weapon and possession of a firearm by a felon.
Macklin was convicted of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon in Texas in 2009, according to court records, and also has previous convictions in New Orleans for domestic abuse, battery and violations of a protective order.
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Defensive Gun Use of the Day: LA CCW Stops Mass Shooting - The Truth About Guns
On the afternoon of 31 January, 2016, some ten ATVs were getting gas at the intersection of Claiborne and Esplanade Avenues in New Orleans, Louisiana. Richard Macklin pulled up in a white Volvo. Police said Macklin became upset; the ATV riders were blocking the gas pumps. He pulled out a firearm and opened fire, sending more than a dozen rounds into the crowd. Three were wounded.
One of the wounded was armed . . .
He drew his legally carried weapon and fired at Macklin, hitting him in the head and stopping the attack. During the initial investigation, officers concluded that the person who fired back did so in legitimate defense of self and others
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No moron.....no wonder you are stupid...you can't comprehend what you read.....
My point is that self defense is a right....and that guns are the most effective means for self defense....and that morons like you have no right to deny people the option to carry a gun for self defense....
Read my posts closer next time...moron.
And the people who are victims of crime did not wake up that morning knowing they were going to be raped, murdered, robbed, beaten or stabbed..........they never do......
JoeB131
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Someone should. But I have a simple enough solution. Revoke the idiotic law that immunized gun makers and dealers from civil suits brought by gun victims. Then put the burden on them to make sure people like Cho and Lanza don't get weapons.
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Here you go asswipe....more detail on how mass shooters choose gun free zones when they are picking a target.....otherwise morons like you have made just about every public space a gun free zone, so they normally don't have to make a choice...you disarmed their victims for them....using the law to do it.....here are mass shooters who chose their targets based on their gun free status...
Santa barbara shooter ...
Do mentally ill, multiple victim killers purposefully pick targets where victims are most vulnerable?: The case of Elliot Rodger - Crime Prevention Research Center
With all the discussions about mental illness, one has to understand how much care and planning these killers engage in. Here is something from Elliot Rodger’s manifesto that no one seems to understand the importance of:
“The first thing I had to consider was the exact date it will take place. Valentine’s Day would have been very fitting, since it was the holiday that made me feel the most miserable and insulted, the holiday in which young couples celebrated their happy lives together. The problem was that Valentine’s Day was only a month away. I needed more time than that. Also, on Valentine’s Day most young couples will be spread out in various restaurants in the city instead of being packed together at parties in Isla Vista. Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street. I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event. It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.“
Rodger was apparently planning this attack for over 1.5 years, and this planning is quite common. During the fall of 2012, when he was 21-years-old he wrote:
At this point, it fully dawned on me that the possibility of having to resort to exacting this Retribution was more real than ever before. Without the prospect of becoming wealthy at a young age, I had nothing to live for now. I was going to be a virgin outcast forever. I realized that I had to start planning and preparing for the Day of Retribution, even though I hadn’t yet had any idea of what day that would be. . . .
The recent Aurora, Colorado Batman movie theater and Sikh Temple shootings are by no means the first times that killers targeted gun-free zones. Few appreciate that Dylan Klebold, one of the two Columbine killers, was following Colorado legislation that would have let citizens carry a concealed handgun. Presumably, he feared being stopped during his attack by someone with a weapon. In fact, the Columbine attack occurred the very day that final passage was scheduled.
And the killers’ concern that they would be stopped before many people were killed is justified. Many mass public shootings have been stopped by permit holders. Look at some of the cases: Shootings at schools were stopped before police arrived in such places as Pearl, Miss., and Edinboro, Pa., and at colleges like the Appalachian Law School in Virginia. Or consider attacks in busy downtowns such as Memphis; churches such as the New Life Church in Colorado Springs; malls in Portland, Ore., and Salt Lake City; or outside an apartment building in Oklahoma.
Colorado theater shooter....
Notes on the James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting case Maximize killing and Deterrence matters for these mass killers - Crime Prevention Research Center crimeresearch.org
Notes on the James Holmes Batman Movie Theater Shooting case: Maximize killing and Deterrence matters for these mass killers
This past week we finally got a look at the diary of the Batman movie theater killer, James Holmes, and it was clear that he was considering both attacking an airport and a movie theater. But he turned down the airport option because he was concerned about their “substantial security.”
While Holmes’ diary was no where near as detailed as Elliot Rodger’s, the Santa Barbara killer from last year, it still shows that he was concerned about avoiding people who might stop his attack.
Dr. William Reid, a state-appointed psychiatrist who performed Holmes’ sanity evaluation, had these comments:
— “Reid said the gunman picked a show in the movie theater that was going to be packed”
— “Holmes said he looked at what other mass killers did but didn’t compare it. He said he just learned from what they did — specifically, ‘don’t shoot police or they will kill you.'”
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Yeah...you are a moron...people who don't sell the guns to the customer directly get to be sued because someone else sold a gun to someone who used it in a crime.........can you dress and feed yourself or do you have your nanny do it for you?
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if you had ever served in the military, you'd know that training never really goes away, and even the cooks are trained to use weapons.
But again, trained to know what she was doing.
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Guess you missed this one asshole.......
Police in Chicago Give Hero his Gun Back - The Truth About Guns
On April 17th, John Hendricks reacted quickly and accurately to stop a mass shooting, likely saving numerous lives. Hendricks was exercising his Constitutional rights in Chicago, a town where they had been suppressed for generations. He was taking a break from accepting Uber fares when he saw a man rack a slide on a pistol across the street . . .
That’s when the man began firing at a group near him. Hendricks acted quickly and precisely. He fired about six rounds, hitting the attacker three times, a more accurate result than in most police-involved shootings.
Hendricks made the tactically correct decision to leave the area once the threat was down. He returned to give an account to the police on the scene.
From buzzpo.com:
Hendricks returned to the scene when police arrived and held his arms in the air, concealed carry and firearm owner identification cards in hand.
He said it was a common-sense approach after what had transpired.
“A shooting just happened,” Hendricks said. “I’m the one that called, and I’m the shooter.”
“At the time, I remembered I still had my firearm on me,” he recalled. “I let them know that my firearm’s on my right side.”
The police took Hendricks’ gun, which is common in self-defense situations. I have often taught concealed carry students to expect their gun to be impounded by the police while they sort things out.
The man is not a SEAL, a SWAT member, or James Bond.....and he stopped an active mass shooter...gee........I wonder why this doesn't count....prepare for the gun grabbers to move the goal post on the stopping of a mass shooting in 3......2......1.....
JoeB131
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Really? Didn't stop Loughner. he was in an open carry state, walked up to a Congresswoman and shot her. And six other people.
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I was in the infantry asswipe....believe me.....cooks and clerks rarely if ever touched their rifles.........we all qualified once a year, and only officers and members of crew served weapons.....and medics, shot pistols for qualification, and that was at static targets, at a relaxed pace with no stress...so spare me the "Every Soldier is a Green Beret" crap...........
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Yeah......it stopped the Colorado theater shooter, the Sandy Hook Shooter, the San Bernadino shooter, the Fort Hood shooter....even on a military base he picked the gun free zone you moron.
And even at the Giffords shooting there were two concealed carriers ready to shoot...but the idiot shooter got himself tackled by a guy he shot in the head.......who he thought was dead.......pure dumb luck for the victims...but there was a concealed carry shooter ready to go to stop him moron........
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No, i just don't care, but since you are now going to flood this thread with you gun porn, I'm out.
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here you go moron....tell me this Doctor is a Navy SEAL........
Doctor shoots armed patient in Philly hospital: A gun rights case is born (+video)
Psychiatrist Lee Silverman worked in a gun-free hospital, but pulled out a gun in his desk to subdue an armed patient, who had just shot his caseworker. The case renews the issue: Should doctors and teachers be armed?
Prosecutors say Dr. Lee Silverman opened fire on Richard Plotts, after Mr. Plotts shot his caseworker and barged his way toward Dr. Silverman’s office desk after gaining access to Mercy Fitzgerald Hospital. Silverman crouched down behind his desk and fetched his gun, which he then fired at Mr. Plotts, wounding him several times before he was subdued.
In the gunfight, Silverman was grazed in the temple by a bullet. The caseworker allegedly shot by Plotts, Theresa Hunt, died from her wounds, police said. She was transporting Plotts to the hospital for treatment.
So...a pastor, an uber driver and a Doctor.............used guns to stop mass shooters......moron....tell me they are cops, or Navy SEALs.....
JoeB131
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Except non of those guys picked their target on whether or not they might encounter a gun owner there.
They picked those targets for specific reason.
Holmes shot up a theater playing a Batman movie because he thought he was the Joker.
Hasan shot up an army base because he thought he was a soldeir of Allah.
Lanza shot up his old elementary school because they tormented him there. (In short, they tried to get him the help his mother wouldn't)
The San Bernadino shooter shot the place where he worked with Jews up.
Divine Wind
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Is English your first language. No offense, just curious due to both your peculiar phrasing and obsession with male genitalia.
JoeB131
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No , he was a psychatrist who apparently didn't take the proper actions with a violent patient. You know, like makeing sure he had his guns confiscated. But he was scared enough of his own patient to bring a gun into a hospital.
JoeB131
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Dick Tiny is my knickname for 2AGuy. Because frankly, anyone talking about gun control to him is like something threatening to go Lorena Bobbit on him.
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Moron...they have the notes and interview with the colorado theater shooter...he wanted to shoot up an airport but they had armed security there....it is in his fucking notes.....moron.....
the Fort Hood shooter could have gone to the armory or the firing range where soldiers were actually armed.....or the Fort Miltiary police headquarters moron....he chose the place he knew the soldiers would be unarmed......
The Sandy Hook shooter was planning his shooting for years...he scoped out the 3 schools before the attack...it is in his notees moron....the middle school and the high school both had armed security....the elementary school had no security and was a gun free zone......
And the Santa Barbara, not San Bernadino ( I keep mixing the two names up) shooter, wanted to shoot up an outdoor festival...but was afraid armed police would shoot him before he killed enough people....he said this in his video....moron.....
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