The Trump peace plan is doomed to fail

[Mac-7]

When did liberals say this?

Frankly, Israel is a result of liberal stupidity. Everyone felt a big old sad because of the Holocaust, so let's give away someone else's land.

This is usually the kind of thing you hate liberals for, giving away someone else's stuff to right real or imagined wrongs.

“Libs” are not always liberals who worship Marx

Some are libertines and others are libertarians

But absolutely none of the Jew haters foresaw what was about to happen in 1948

 

[JoeB131]

“Libs” are not always liberals who worship Marx

Some are libertines and others are libertarians

But absolutely none of the Jew haters foresaw what was about to happen in 1948

Here was the thing. Before 1945, the Jews of Europe had no interest in relocating to the Desert.

Until Hitler came along, they had pretty good lives in Europe.

 

[beagle9]

I am taking a Christian stand against Israel since they took a leftist stand against Jesus Christ. Funny when a "Christian" sides with the anti-Christ while attacking a fellow Christian. A bit psychotic, wouldn't you say?

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers:
for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness?
And what communion hath light with darkness? 2 Corinthians 6:14

One thing wrong with your stance, is that you attempt to paint all the jews as being of the character of those that had Christ crucified...

As for your second statement pertaining to Corinthians 6:14, well maybe you should do a bit of self reflection.

 

[beagle9]

Here was the thing. Before 1945, the Jews of Europe had no interest in relocating to the Desert.

Until Hitler came along, they had pretty good lives in Europe.

So .... History changed all that, and the Jews went home to Israel. Those who were occupying the land had a choice to make, either accept them back to a land that was rightfully there's or make war with them for coming back home in great numbers due to their situation encountered. The Arab Muslims undoubtedly chose to make war, and the rest is history right ?

 

[beagle9]

When did liberals say this?

Frankly, Israel is a result of liberal stupidity. Everyone felt a big old sad because of the Holocaust, so let's give away someone else's land.

This is usually the kind of thing you hate liberals for, giving away someone else's stuff to right real or imagined wrongs.

The world power's gave the Jews a ticket back home, and not just the libs who were on board with it also.

 

[Mac-7]

Here was the thing. Before 1945, the Jews of Europe had no interest in relocating to the Desert.

Until Hitler came along, they had pretty good lives in Europe.

Yeah, so?

They were as shortsighted as as the libs

 

[beagle9]

The Israel of God is the body of Christ...the spiritual descendants of Abraham. Not the physical descendants of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16​

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
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Galatians 3:29​

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

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Romans 9:6-8​

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.​

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Romans 2:28-29​

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.​

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Galatians 3:28-29​

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."​

What does this have to do with Israel itself ? Is this talking about the acceptance of other's into the kingdom by way of Christ whom had changed the standards or rules by way of his sacrifice ??

 

[Roudy]

Trump got the hostages out that what counts, nobody counted on Hamas following through with anything. After all, October 7 happened when Hamas was under an”truce” with Israel. Now Israel can finish the subhuman animals off.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

The Israel of God is the body of Christ...the spiritual descendants of Abraham. Not the physical descendants of Abraham.

Galatians 3:16​

Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ.
​

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Galatians 3:29​

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.​

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Romans 9:6-8​

It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.​

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Romans 2:28-29​

For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; 29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.​

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Galatians 3:28-29​

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."​

We disagree here. I do not agree with Catholic Replacement Theology. These are two separate covenants. One NATIONAL, and one SPIRITUAL

The error of Replacement Theology​

But you just try reading Romans 9-11 and every time it says “Israel”, replace it with the word “Church”. You will quickly see that it makes no sense at all.

Israel really means Israel in both the Old and the New Testaments. While the New Testament often describes Israel and the Church in similar terms – both are the Bride of God, children of God, the chosen people, and so on – never does the New Testament call the Church “Israel”.

The word “Israel” occurs 70 times in the New Testament (79 times if you include the word “Israelite”), and all but two of these instances are unequivocally referring to the nation of Israel, and not to the Church – the two exceptional cases being Romans 9:6 and Galatians 6:16. In the past, people have clung to Galatians 6:16 as an example of how Israel can mean the church, but let’s examine that verse…

Adoption doesn’t mean replacement, neither does grafting replace the natural branch. Gentile believers are included, but not at the expense of the body they are included into. It’s true that the majority of Israel is not yet saved but the day is coming when they will be! We just haven’t got to that bit in the story yet.

Replacement Theology Undone by One Greek Word in Galatians 6:16 - ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

Since the reestablishment of Israel back in the land in 1948, we can start to read the Bible with new information that helps us to understand what God is talking about when He says, “Israel”, undoing replacement theology.

www.oneforisrael.org

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Yeah, so?

They were as shortsighted as as the libs

God had a prophecy to be fulfilled. German Jews saw themselves as German first. God had other plans. Those who refused their destiny quickly learned they were not German

 

[JoeB131]

So .... History changed all that, and the Jews went home to Israel. Those who were occupying the land had a choice to make, either accept them back to a land that was rightfully there's or make war with them for coming back home in great numbers due to their situation encountered. The Arab Muslims undoubtedly chose to make war, and the rest is history right ?

When Iran gets a nuke, Israel will be "history" all right.

Darwinism in action. When you're dumb, you die.

 

[JoeB131]

God had a prophecy to be fulfilled. German Jews saw themselves as German first. God had other plans. Those who refused their destiny quickly learned they were not German

Um, oh, okay. So right now, Islam is growing and Christianity is shrinking. By your logic, if the Muslims win at some point, that was God's will, and you'll happily pray to Mecca five times a day.

Or... we can realize this is the 21st ******* century, and move beyond the need for imaginary friends in the sky.

 

[Mac-7]

When Iran gets a nuke, Israel will be "history" all right.

Darwinism in action. When you're dumb, you die.

Iran dies not have a working nuclear bomb

 

[SaxonJackson]

One thing wrong with your stance, is that you attempt to paint all the jews as being of the character of those that had Christ crucified...

As for your second statement pertaining to Corinthians 6:14, well maybe you should do a bit of self reflection.

Here's Jesus Christ speaking to the Jews of His time:

John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Is Jesus wrong here? Is He an "antisemite?" Am I wrong for believing the Words of Christ?

Perhaps you can do some self reflecting.

 

[beagle9]

Here's Jesus Christ speaking to the Jews of His time:

John 3:18, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

Is Jesus wrong here? Is He an "antisemite?" Am I wrong for believing the Words of Christ?

Perhaps you can do some self reflecting.

I'm thinking that in his words being spoken that he was speaking to the people that had unbelievers and believers amongst the crowd's, so how does his words make him an anti-semite ? He wasn't saying that all Israelite's/Jews were condemned, but only that he or she who has seen and yet denies is already condemned.

 

[SaxonJackson]

I'm thinking that in his words being spoken that he was speaking to the people that had unbelievers and believers amongst the crowd's, so how does his words make him an anti-semite ? He wasn't saying that all Israelite's/Jews were condemned, but only that he or she who has seen and yet denies is already condemned.

No. Christ was saying that people who deny Christ are condemned. Do the adherents of Judaism accept Jesus Christ as their Savior or do they deny Him? Do atheists accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or do they reject Him.

I'm specifically talking about the people who reject Jesus Christ. Who are you talking about?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Is Jesus wrong here? Is He an "antisemite?" Am I wrong for believing the Words of

You're wrong for not understanding His words

 

[SaxonJackson]

You're wrong for not understanding His words

Please expound. Are you saying that He said something other than what He said?

 

[SaxonJackson]

The world power's gave the Jews a ticket back home, and not just the libs who were on board with it also.

What is the single requirement for entry into God's Kingdom? As a Christian, you should immediately know the answer.

 

[beagle9]

No. Christ was saying that people who deny Christ are condemned. Do the adherents of Judaism accept Jesus Christ as their Savior or do they deny Him? Do atheists accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior or do they reject Him.

I'm specifically talking about the people who reject Jesus Christ. Who are you talking about?

The entire reasoning for this exchange is over your possible hatred of the Jews and/or your hatred of Israel. So who are you talking about specifically when you bash Israel ??