The Trump peace plan is doomed to fail

[georgephillip]

Interesting...so how many Jews do you think have been forced to flee from Arab controlled lands since 1948? Or do you not know that far more Jews were displaced from Arab countries than Palestinians were displaced from Israel?

I also know Jews who were displaced from Arab states were a response to Israel's murderous campaign of ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

 

[westwall]

Not unlike the genocide of Native Americans, right?

Israel was and is the occupying power in Gaza which means it has no legal right to declare war on a civilian population it has an obligation and duty to protect.

Five Israeli Talking Points on Gaza—Debunked

"It (Israel) cannot simultaneously occupy the territory, thus usurping the self-governing powers that would otherwise belong to Palestinians, and declare war upon them.

"These contradictory policies (occupying a land and then declaring war on it) make the Palestinian population doubly vulnerable."

Except there wasn't one of those either.

 

[georgephillip]

The United Nations put the population of Gaza at a little under 400,000 in 1967. They put the population at over two million now. So either Israel is the worst "ethnic cleansers" in the history of ethic cleansing...or your claim that they ARE trying to ethnically cleanse Gaza is bullshit! I'm going to go with B!

Ethnic cleansing doesn't require reducing the size of a population; it requires stealing land either by murdering or displacing an indigenous population:

Israel now controls 50 percent of Gaza

"Israel now controls 50 percent of Gaza​

"World Apr 7, 2025 10:17 AM EDT

"TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — Israel has dramatically expanded its footprint in the Gaza Strip since relaunching its war against Hamas last month. It now controls more than 50 percent of the territory and is squeezing Palestinians into shrinking wedges of land."

 

[georgephillip]

What is ChatGPT? Show us your sources, Georgie! I'm guessing they're laughable.

You ignored my question:

Why are Jews entitled to steal Arab land in Palestine?

 

[Mac-7]

Are you saying other Jews are inferior?

Why not?

Real life is not like Lake Woebegone where all the children are above average

Anyway the leaders Israel has chosen so far have been the right ones

They have stood the test of time by creating a modern nation, and winning 4 or 5 wars against the arabs

Including most recently defeating the Persians who are a much larger country

 

[georgephillip]

Except there wasn't one of those either.

One of what?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, it appears to already be falling apart with violence. Again, I don't blame Trump's team for that. You can't have peace unless the parties themselves want peace.

 

[Lisa558]

Yes, it appears to already be falling apart with violence. Again, I don't blame Trump's team for that. You can't have peace unless the parties themselves want peace.

Israel wants peace. HAMAS does not.

 

[georgephillip]

Israel wants peace. HAMAS does not.

Israel's only reason to exist is to wage continual war across West Asia as witness its illegal bombing campaigns in Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and, of course, Gaza:

Israel resumes lower-level killing after mass violence Sunday; Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff visit Israel for ceasefire talks; embattled socialist party ousted in Bolivia

"The Genocide in Gaza​

• "The Israeli military on Monday said it killed several Palestinians in two separate incidents in the Shujaiya neighborhood of Gaza City claiming they approached the 'yellow line' where Israeli troops have withdrawn under the ceasefire agreement. Israeli forces also fired artillery in areas east of Deir al-Balah in central Gaza and explosions were heard east of Khan Younis, according to Al Jazeera.
• The bodies of 57 Palestinians arrived at hospitals in Gaza over the past 24 hours, according to the ministry of health, including 45 killed in new Israeli attacks and 12 recovered from under the rubble. At least 158 Palestinians were wounded. The total recorded death toll since October 7, 2023 is now 68,216 killed, with 170,361 injured.
• Since October 11, the first full day of the ceasefire, Israel has killed at least 80 Palestinians in Gaza and wounded 303, while 426 bodies have been recovered from under the rubble, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health."

 

[georgephillip]

Are there Palestinian Muslims in the Knesset?

Are there Jews in ham-ass?

Arab Israelis are limited to 20% of Israel's population, so why do you think a handful of Knesset members proves about democracy in an ethno-supremacist state where racist Jews are 80% of the total electorate?

 

[Lisa558]

Israel's only reason to exist is to wage continual war across West Asia as witness its illegal bombing campaigns in Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and, of course, Gaza:

Israel resumes lower-level killing after mass violence Sunday; Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff visit Israel for ceasefire talks; embattled socialist party ousted in Bolivia

"The Genocide in Gaza​

• "The Israeli military on Monday said it killed several Palestinians in two separate incidents in the Shujaiya neighborhood of Gaza City claiming they approached the 'yellow line' where Israeli troops have withdrawn under the ceasefire agreement. Israeli forces also fired artillery in areas east of Deir al-Balah in central Gaza and explosions were heard east of Khan Younis, according to Al Jazeera.
• The bodies of 57 Palestinians arrived at hospitals in Gaza over the past 24 hours, according to the ministry of health, including 45 killed in new Israeli attacks and 12 recovered from under the rubble. At least 158 Palestinians were wounded. The total recorded death toll since October 7, 2023 is now 68,216 killed, with 170,361 injured.
• Since October 11, the first full day of the ceasefire, Israel has killed at least 80 Palestinians in Gaza and wounded 303, while 426 bodies have been recovered from under the rubble, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health."

This Islamic propagandist ^^^ is back to quoting lies about Israel without disclosing the source.

 

[Lisa558]

Arab Israelis are limited to 20% of Israel's population, so why do you think a handful of Knesset members proves about democracy in an ethno-supremacist state where racist Jews are 80% of the total electorate?

Israel allows 20% of its populations to be Muslim, and our antisemitic Islamic propagandist is bitching about it?

How about the fact that racist Muslims throughout the Middle East have treated Jews like such second-class citizens that virtually NO Jews want to live there, and their population is 0.01%?!

In SOME of the racist Muslim countries, they have 5 or so Jews.

Crawl back into your HAMAS tunnel, please.

 

[georgephillip]

Would that be the same Israel that had approximately 150,000 Palestinians in Israel at the end of the 1948 War? Palestinians that became Israeli citizens? How many Jews do you think were left in Gaza? How many Jews do you think remain in Gaza today?

The same Israel that murdered/displaced over 700,000 indigenous Palestinians from the homes, farms, and businesses before giving those assets to immigrants from around the world.

Nakba - Wikipedia

"About 750,000 Palestinians – over 80% of the population living in the territory of what became the State of Israel – were expelled or fled from their homes and became refugees.

"Eleven Arab towns and cities, and over 500 villages were destroyed or depopulated.

"Thousands of Palestinians were killed in dozens of massacres.

"About a dozen rapes of Palestinians by regular and irregular Israeli military forces have been documented, and more are suspected."

 

[westwall]

Arab Israelis are limited to 20% of Israel's population, so why do you think a handful of Knesset members proves about democracy in an ethno-supremacist state where racist Jews are 80% of the total electorate?

How many Jews involved in the Gazan government?

 

[georgephillip]

How many Jews involved in the Gazan government?

Depends on your definition of "involved"

Casualties of the Gaza war - Wikipedia

"As of 7 October 2025, over 70,100 people (68,172 Palestinians and 1,983 Israelis have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, as well as 217 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA.
Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians.

" A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children."

 

[eagle1462010]

Which army is capable of forcibly deporting two million Gazans into Syria?

Too many to list

 

[eagle1462010]

Israel's only reason to exist is to wage continual war across West Asia as witness its illegal bombing campaigns in Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and, of course, Gaza:

Israel resumes lower-level killing after mass violence Sunday; Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff visit Israel for ceasefire talks; embattled socialist party ousted in Bolivia

"The Genocide in Gaza​

• "The Israeli military on Monday said it killed several Palestinians in two separate incidents in the Shujaiya neighborhood of Gaza City claiming they approached the 'yellow line' where Israeli troops have withdrawn under the ceasefire agreement. Israeli forces also fired artillery in areas east of Deir al-Balah in central Gaza and explosions were heard east of Khan Younis, according to Al Jazeera.
• The bodies of 57 Palestinians arrived at hospitals in Gaza over the past 24 hours, according to the ministry of health, including 45 killed in new Israeli attacks and 12 recovered from under the rubble. At least 158 Palestinians were wounded. The total recorded death toll since October 7, 2023 is now 68,216 killed, with 170,361 injured.
• Since October 11, the first full day of the ceasefire, Israel has killed at least 80 Palestinians in Gaza and wounded 303, while 426 bodies have been recovered from under the rubble, according to the Gaza Ministry of Health."

What Genocide?

 

[georgephillip]

What Genocide?

"GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.

"The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.

"The Commission has been investigating the events on and since 7 October 2023 for the last two years, and concluded that Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent births."

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...itted-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

 

[Man With A Plan]

I also know Jews who were displaced from Arab states were a response to Israel's murderous campaign of ethnic cleansing in Palestine.

Still pushing the "ethnic cleansing" bullshit, Georgie?

 

[Lisa558]

"GENEVA – Israel has committed genocide against Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, the UN Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem, and Israel said in a new report today.

"The Commission urges Israel and all States to fulfil their legal obligations under international law to end the genocide and punish those responsible for it.

"The Commission has been investigating the events on and since 7 October 2023 for the last two years, and concluded that Israeli authorities and Israeli security forces committed four of the five genocidal acts defined by the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, namely killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the destruction of the Palestinians in whole or in part, and imposing measures intended to prevent births."

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...itted-genocide-gaza-strip-un-commission-finds

Color me surprised. HAMAS savages violate the cease-fire, and our forum Islamist propagandist quotes something from the anti-Israel U.N. to “prove” the Jews are the bad guys.