The true meaning of freedom

[TemplarKormac]

Anyone who advocates for modern liberalism has no concept of what freedom is or means.

Just look at the people of Cuba right now and try to tell me you have the same concept of freedom as these people do.

If you advocate for anything they are marching against, you advocate tyranny and repression, not freedom.

Modern liberals are fools. They will remain fools until they grasp this concept.

 

[bendog]

Maybe you missed the point of the NYT. "Freedom" is a antigovt slogan in Cuba. While the very left and Trump folks differ on language, both claim to be about freedom. It's pretty universally liked here.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Maybe you missed the point of the NYT. "Freedom" is a antigovt slogan in Cuba. While the very left and Trump folks differ on language, both claim to be about freedom. It's pretty universally liked here.

Is it? Then why aren't both sides standing up for the basic concept against the government's aggression against it? The ones that do have no impact.

What do we do to get the point across?

How do we convince the partisans on both sides that their idea of freedom is flawed, that there exists a balance of freedoms that no one can take away from us?

 

[BluesLegend]

Dems can pound sand, that's how I define freedom.

 

[TNHarley]

America takes freedom for granted. Thats why over 120M of them vote consistently to have them removed. Dem and Rep voters.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Dems can pound sand, that's how I define freedom.

The freedom to pound sand?

Aye, that they do.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Is it? Then why aren't both sides standing up for the basic concept against the government's aggression against it?

I'm not sure what you mean, here. Stand up to Cuba's government, or American government???

 

[TemplarKormac]

Is it? Then why aren't both sides standing up for the basic concept against the government's aggression against it?

I'm not sure what you mean, here.

Easily explained.

Both sides have a flawed concept of freedom. Modern liberals more so.

But nonetheless, they don't know what freedom is when they are constantly trying to take freedom away from each other.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Bump.

 

[BluesLegend]

Is it? Then why aren't both sides standing up for the basic concept against the government's aggression against it?

I'm not sure what you mean, here.

Easily explained.

Both sides have a flawed concept of freedom. Modern liberals more so.

But nonetheless, they don't know what freedom is when they are constantly trying to take freedom away from each other.

You are WAY underestimating the left's desire for absolute control. The root of their insanity is a belief that they know best, they are smarter than the masses. So they should decide what we say, think, eat, drink, drive, learn. How much wealth we can accumulate. How much money we can earn per year. That's just the tip of the iceberg the nut jobs are now controlling trees on people's property. Poor trees needed government protection from the evil homeowners apparently.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Was I mistaken for hoping the intellectual liberals on this board would lend their ear to this thread? Or are they afraid that the premise is true and hits at the very heart of their worldview?

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Both sides have a flawed concept of freedom. Modern liberals more so.

But nonetheless, they don't know what freedom is when they are constantly trying to take freedom away from each other.

I see. Just like everything else. Each side claims the other side is corrupt and lying to the people, and so, as you see it, each side is infringing on citizens' liberty, because the flawed sense of freedom has somehow infused into the partisan cultures.

It is because the construction of the government is flawed. If there is any error in the construction of the government, it is going to adversely affect the evolution of the government and subsequent society. It cycles, and snowballs, in the election campaigns, and now, a tremendously expanded political pundit industry exaggerates political issues for commercial gains.

The founding of the USA was adequate for the sophistication of the era, and for many decades beyond; but ultimately, there are inadequacies in the system that are exploited as corruption. Since the beginning the election of 1800 was an exploitation of an inadequacy. There have been adjustments meant to correct things (Amendment 12, 17, limit seats in the House), but ultimately they have adversely affected the checks and balances that were inadequate in the first place.

Political partisanship cannot be avoided - it has to be properly exercised with adequate segregation. Like the old adage, "one man's junk is another man's treasure," so is freedom is another's oppression.

The American experiment was the union of different states - the experiment failed, because the government operations were never correctly adjusted for the expansion of government and diversity of the sophisticated population.

 

[$ecular#eckler]

Was I mistaken for hoping the intellectual liberals on this board would lend their ear to this thread? Or are they afraid that the premise is true and hits at the very heart of their worldview?

There are no rules for the dialectics that you are ultimately in search of.

 

[B. Kidd]

Freedom equals having the opportunities to keep your belly full without depending on Big Gov't.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Was I mistaken for hoping the intellectual liberals on this board would lend their ear to this thread? Or are they afraid that the premise is true and hits at the very heart of their worldview?

There are no rules for the dialectics that you are ultimately in search of.

Very unfortunate.

 

[TemplarKormac]

the experiment failed

This. Precisely, unequivocally, this.

 

[Moonglow]

America takes freedom for granted. Thats why over 120M of them vote consistently to have them removed. Dem and Rep voters.

Plus we have no other choices.

 

[Moonglow]

You have freedom you just can't tell because you've had it so long it is unrecognizable.

 

[TNHarley]

America takes freedom for granted. Thats why over 120M of them vote consistently to have them removed. Dem and Rep voters.

Plus we have no other choices.

We do. Our dumbfuck voters just let the duopoly control the elections.
Decent people run for President, you just dont hear about them.

 

[TemplarKormac]

You have freedom you just can't tell because you've had it so long it is unrecognizable.

It might be because the freedom I was promised was not the freedom I received.

That is why my freedom is unrecognizable.