The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[pinqy]

What I find amusing is that back when DADT was instituted under Clinton, it was the anti-gay crowd that denounced it and was so strongly against it. And now they're clinging to it. The pro-gay people saw DADT as Clinton reneging his campaign promise to eliminate the ban on homosexuals and saw it as a bad compromise but a step forward.

 

[Seawytch]

And you are proving yourself to be a glowing example of that statement

well by all means show us how the military is or would be endorsing homosexuality?

If they change their policies making homosexuality acceptable they are.

Well, you certainly know how to paint yourself in a corner...and then run crazily through the wet paint.

 

[bodecea]

Are you claiming you are better than this guy?
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

or any of these distinguished veterans:
Servicemembers Legal Defense Network

Well how about it all you warriors that claim that gays and lesbians will hurt the readiness of the military and combat effectiveness?
Where the **** are you now that someone has put up some real evidence to refute each and every claim you make?
Which one of these vets was deficient in their duties?
Thought so. You guys are ALL TALK AND NO FACTS.

So lets say a thief breaks into what was thought to be an impenatrable security system. With a skill level beyond comprehension. Does that make him right?

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

 

[Spoonman]

Well how about it all you warriors that claim that gays and lesbians will hurt the readiness of the military and combat effectiveness?
Where the **** are you now that someone has put up some real evidence to refute each and every claim you make?
Which one of these vets was deficient in their duties?
Thought so. You guys are ALL TALK AND NO FACTS.

So lets say a thief breaks into what was thought to be an impenatrable security system. With a skill level beyond comprehension. Does that make him right?

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

 

[bodecea]

So lets say a thief breaks into what was thought to be an impenatrable security system. With a skill level beyond comprehension. Does that make him right?

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

That pretty much says it all folks.

 

[ogibillm]

So lets say a thief breaks into what was thought to be an impenatrable security system. With a skill level beyond comprehension. Does that make him right?

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

yeah - that happened a lot i'm sure.

probably about as often as straight soldiers lied about being gay so they could get out of the military.

regardless, you're making a pretty good argument for closing off that loophole and allowing gays to serve.

 

[bodecea]

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

yeah - that happened a lot i'm sure.

probably about as often as straight soldiers lied about being gay so they could get out of the military.

regardless, you're making a pretty good argument for closing off that loophole and allowing gays to serve.

I remember back in abou 80, I was in a command where they decided to send a lot of young women from boot camp and A school to build the command up (aviation training command). Well, South TX is not exactly a nice place and many of the women decided that getting pregnant was the way to get out quickly (this is when getting out when pregnant was an option). Easiest way to solve that problem.....close that option out.

What spoonman inadvertently pointed out is that by getting rid of DADT, you close the option (very, very rarely used) of getting out easily if you declare yourself gay. BTW...under DADT, it was always the command's option. I have a friend in who told of a sailor who went up to him (Dept Head) and declared that he was gay. My friend said "that's nice, get back to work". That ended that. Spoonman would probably have clutched his pearls and fainted dead away from the thought of thieving gays.

 

[Gunny]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

 

[ogibillm]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

are you married? anyone you served with married?

 

[ogibillm]

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

yeah - that happened a lot i'm sure.

probably about as often as straight soldiers lied about being gay so they could get out of the military.

regardless, you're making a pretty good argument for closing off that loophole and allowing gays to serve.

I remember back in abou 80, I was in a command where they decided to send a lot of young women from boot camp and A school to build the command up (aviation training command). Well, South TX is not exactly a nice place and many of the women decided that getting pregnant was the way to get out quickly (this is when getting out when pregnant was an option). Easiest way to solve that problem.....close that option out.

What spoonman inadvertently pointed out is that by getting rid of DADT, you close the option (very, very rarely used) of getting out easily if you declare yourself gay. BTW...under DADT, it was always the command's option. I have a friend in who told of a sailor who went up to him (Dept Head) and declared that he was gay. My friend said "that's nice, get back to work". That ended that. Spoonman would probably have clutched his pearls and fainted dead away from the thought of thieving gays.

off topic, but i think you're likely being overly harsh on those women. they were in south texas - what else was there to do? getting out was likely just a side-effect.

 

[bodecea]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".
When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

Not in those words you didn't....but you DID proclaim your sexuality everytime you talked about dates, your spouse, had pictures of your spouse, etc. All those are common discussion points with co-workers and quite harmless social small talk......UNLESS you are gay. Then it can be grounds for involuntary discharge.

 

[bodecea]

yeah - that happened a lot i'm sure.

probably about as often as straight soldiers lied about being gay so they could get out of the military.

regardless, you're making a pretty good argument for closing off that loophole and allowing gays to serve.

I remember back in abou 80, I was in a command where they decided to send a lot of young women from boot camp and A school to build the command up (aviation training command). Well, South TX is not exactly a nice place and many of the women decided that getting pregnant was the way to get out quickly (this is when getting out when pregnant was an option). Easiest way to solve that problem.....close that option out.

What spoonman inadvertently pointed out is that by getting rid of DADT, you close the option (very, very rarely used) of getting out easily if you declare yourself gay. BTW...under DADT, it was always the command's option. I have a friend in who told of a sailor who went up to him (Dept Head) and declared that he was gay. My friend said "that's nice, get back to work". That ended that. Spoonman would probably have clutched his pearls and fainted dead away from the thought of thieving gays.

off topic, but i think you're likely being overly harsh on those women. they were in south texas - what else was there to do? getting out was likely just a side-effect.

It's a pretty funny story...because our mission increased 10 fold in a short period of time, my command went from 24 women to over 100 in about 2 months....and all the new ones were E-4 and below...a wave of young inexperienced girls. Many were very unhappy and this they saw and an out.

The funny part.....I was the only female officer at the time, a butterbar. I got called up on the carpet by the XO who started chewing me out. I was wondering what it was about til it dawned on me, he was mad about all the pregnancies and manpower losses. When I got a word in, I said "Sir. I can assure you. I did not get these women pregnant!" He stopped, looked at me funny, and started laughing. He actually apologized and then we got to work trying to come up with a solution for the problem.

 

[Spoonman]

Ah, gay soldiers and sailors who VOLUNTEERED to serve their country are thieves now.

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

That pretty much says it all folks.

You are damn right it does.

 

[slukasiewski]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

OUT-FREAKING-STANDING Post Gunny! Glad to see there are some MARINES still onboard! We initated two of you guys in the CPO Mess back in the 80s and had a blast serving with you aboard ship.

I don't know what era you're from - but back in my day, we'd blanket party, discharge, or throw over the side polesmokers - when identified.

No room for them aboard my ship or in my Navy!

Oooo-rah!

 

[Spoonman]

Gays serving.

Dishonorable.

Pretty much cut and dry.

Case closed...


NEXT !!!!

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

Bingo, Exactly. Same here, I wasn't a heterosexual Marine, I was a Marine. No agenda. But that's what it's all about with these guys. In your face, I am gay and you have to accept it. Be gay, I don't really care, or be straight. I don't care either. As I've said all along to these guys show me a compelling military reason why the policy should be changed. They haven't. it always comes back to their OWN personal wants.

 

[bodecea]

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

That pretty much says it all folks.

You are damn right it does.

Yep...it shows that you think of fellow Americans who VOLUNTEER to serve this country, who VOLUNTEER to possibly get killed for this country, who VOLUNTEER to be away from family and home for long deployments in distant, uncomfortable places...are a bunch of thieves. Why? because of a policy NOT of their making. Because of a policy they totally disagree with. Because of a policy that thankfully is not gone.

You call ME a thief.

You call Seawytch a thief.

This says nothing negative about us in reality.....it sure says something about YOU tho.

 

[slukasiewski]

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably for the last 18 years under DADT.


>>>>

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

Bingo, Exactly. Same here, I wasn't a heterosexual Marine, I was a Marine. No agenda. But that's what it's all about with these guys. In your face, I am gay and you have to accept it. Be gay, I don't really care, or be straight. I don't care either. As I've said all along to these guys show me a compelling military reason why the policy should be changed. They haven't. it always comes back to their OWN personal wants.

Another outstanding post. I don't recall anyone aboard ship running around proclaiming, "I'm STRAIGHT... I'm STRAIGHT!!!!!"

We had a ******* job to do - not proclaim our sexuality.

Glad I am out. Cannot tolerate polesmokers in the work space or aboard my ship, in my Navy!

 

[Spoonman]

yes, they are. and a lot of the links here prove it. they were not eligible for military service because of their sexual preference. yet they took thousands of dollars of taxpayers money to get training for themselves and then avoid fulfilling their obligation to their country by coming out as homosexuals. They knew what the result would be. being discharged. think about it. what a perfect scam. join the military, get you training and education free, well on the tax payers dime. say you are gay and then be relieved of your militarty obligation. Yes, I would say that is stealing.

yeah - that happened a lot i'm sure.

probably about as often as straight soldiers lied about being gay so they could get out of the military.

regardless, you're making a pretty good argument for closing off that loophole and allowing gays to serve.

I remember back in abou 80, I was in a command where they decided to send a lot of young women from boot camp and A school to build the command up (aviation training command). Well, South TX is not exactly a nice place and many of the women decided that getting pregnant was the way to get out quickly (this is when getting out when pregnant was an option). Easiest way to solve that problem.....close that option out.

What spoonman inadvertently pointed out is that by getting rid of DADT, you close the option (very, very rarely used) of getting out easily if you declare yourself gay. BTW...under DADT, it was always the command's option. I have a friend in who told of a sailor who went up to him (Dept Head) and declared that he was gay. My friend said "that's nice, get back to work". That ended that. Spoonman would probably have clutched his pearls and fainted dead away from the thought of thieving gays.

so if that's the case why are you still whining and bitching about it? You contradict yourself with ever argument.

 

[Spoonman]

Wrong.

Homosexuals have been allowed to serve honorably since the US Military came into being. People like you with your political agendas have NO clue what serving in the military means.

I was not a "heterosexual Marine." I AM a Marine, period. I don't recall even once my sexual preferences coming in conflict with my duties as a Marine, nor even once that I felt the need to proclaim "hey, I'm normal and like women".

When one must define one's self by his/her sexual deviance -- what a sorry **** that is and I don't want you in MY unit. I want Marines. What you do in your off time is YOUR business. Keep it to yourself. ESPECIALLY if your behavior is deviant.

Bingo, Exactly. Same here, I wasn't a heterosexual Marine, I was a Marine. No agenda. But that's what it's all about with these guys. In your face, I am gay and you have to accept it. Be gay, I don't really care, or be straight. I don't care either. As I've said all along to these guys show me a compelling military reason why the policy should be changed. They haven't. it always comes back to their OWN personal wants.

Another outstanding post. I don't recall anyone aboard ship running around proclaiming, "I'm STRAIGHT... I'm STRAIGHT!!!!!"

We had a ******* job to do - not proclaim our sexuality.

Glad I am out. Cannot tolerate polesmokers in the work space or aboard my ship, in my Navy!

It's like the gay pride parades. Are there straight pride parades? No. We don't feel the need to be all in your face oooooooh look at me.

 

[slukasiewski]

Bingo, Exactly. Same here, I wasn't a heterosexual Marine, I was a Marine. No agenda. But that's what it's all about with these guys. In your face, I am gay and you have to accept it. Be gay, I don't really care, or be straight. I don't care either. As I've said all along to these guys show me a compelling military reason why the policy should be changed. They haven't. it always comes back to their OWN personal wants.

Another outstanding post. I don't recall anyone aboard ship running around proclaiming, "I'm STRAIGHT... I'm STRAIGHT!!!!!"

We had a ******* job to do - not proclaim our sexuality.

Glad I am out. Cannot tolerate polesmokers in the work space or aboard my ship, in my Navy!

It's like the gay pride parades. Are there straight pride parades? No. We don't feel the need to be all in your face oooooooh look at me.

Yeah - seriously. Faggots need to keep their filthy mouths shut - literally. We're not interested in their filthy lifestyle.