The Troops are concerned about gays serving openly.

[Gadawg73]

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Where is Congress, "activist judges", Sotomeyer and the Supreme Court in all of this?
None of that is relevant in any of this.
You forgot to mention one dude. Admiral Mullen.
He IS MILITARY.
It is "precedent", not president.

Thanks for the grammatical lesson, I forgot how to spell it. None of them are relevant YET. The activist judges are now being put into place by Obama "His last two appointments" which are on the supreme court. All of them will come into play later on down the road. And yes, Mullins is as much at fault as the rest of them.
I bet the Germans where the same way as you are right now until Hitler had his military turn the guns inward. If you don't think it can happen, you obviously don't study history.
Alot of Americans right now are thinking "It could never happen here", believe me...yes it can, and the crazies in DC are relying on you to think that it can't.

I R Republican.

 

[grunt11b]

Where is Congress, "activist judges", Sotomeyer and the Supreme Court in all of this?
None of that is relevant in any of this.
You forgot to mention one dude. Admiral Mullen.
He IS MILITARY.
It is "precedent", not president.

Thanks for the grammatical lesson, I forgot how to spell it. None of them are relevant YET. The activist judges are now being put into place by Obama "His last two appointments" which are on the supreme court. All of them will come into play later on down the road. And yes, Mullins is as much at fault as the rest of them.
I bet the Germans where the same way as you are right now until Hitler had his military turn the guns inward. If you don't think it can happen, you obviously don't study history.
Alot of Americans right now are thinking "It could never happen here", believe me...yes it can, and the crazies in DC are relying on you to think that it can't.

I R Republican.

Are you of the fake sort or real sort, because I can't tell right now. You could be the Lindsey graham republican for all I know.

 

[Seawytch]

As a pejorative in the Sense that YOU wish to LUMP all in the same boat?

All military men act as you seem to want to portray here?

*HINT*

They don't...

How is that any different, or less acceptable, then Ollie or yota doing the exact same thing in regards to gay people? Especially when their entire arguments for gay people are based specifically on their prejudices against gay men only?

Their entire arguments are also based on some fantasy that gays and lesbians are not already serving.

 

[Seawytch]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Wow...now THAT is a new conspiracy theory. Yikes!

 

[High_Gravity]

If I were still in the service and deployed overseas to Afghanistan I can tell you this, the sexual orientation of my fellow Soldiers would be the LAST thing on my mind.

 

[bodecea]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

 

[grunt11b]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Wow...now THAT is a new conspiracy theory. Yikes!

History my friend, it would not be the first time it happened, the only thing different about America is we have a constitution protecting our rights, so therefore the left have to dismantle that constitution a little bit at a time. It's taken them 100 years to get this far, and they still have a little ways to go. The only way they can dismantle the constitution is through judicial activism. Which you seen when they enforced a law on the military about gays. The military falls under UCMJ, it has it's own laws and legal system, it was designed like that by the founders so that a tyrannical government would not be able to use it against it's own people.
Think what you want, but I "And many other people that are paying attention" know exactly what is going on.

 

[grunt11b]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

When I was at Fort Campbell they would kick spouses out of housing if they where found to be cheating on a deployed loved one. It was awesome.

 

[bodecea]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Now that's some funny stuff right there.....

 

[grunt11b]

I had a conversation with my oldest son yesterday. He is career military. He just finished his fourth sensitivity training class about gays serving openly in the military. The troops can't comment on this issue or make disparaging remarks about the CinC. They've been advised that this is the way it will be; live with it.

In all of the classes they've been given one thing has been left out. The danger of HIV infection through direct contact with blood. Blood is the biggest bio-hazard on any accident scene. Civilians will say put on surgical gloves. A soldier would say that when you're wearing your buddies brains all over your face that wont do any good.

As a soldier I could count on my buddies doing everything in their power to bring me or my body back home. My buddies could count on the same thing from me. An openly gay soldier on the battlefield will lay where they fall. This is a very real degradation of military core values. Yet the troops feel that touching the openly gay soldiers blood would expose them to the very really threat of AIDS. That is a death sentence that will be resisted.

Morale is already being affected in a very negative way. The troops feel like they're being kicked in the stomach, and that they're being put into a life threatening situation. Once again people who've never served a second in uniform are making life threatening decisions that will carry dire consequences for the young men and women that this country sends into harms way. I think that congress, and the president need sensitivity training.

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Now that's some funny stuff right there.....

They can vote to go to war, yes. But they cannot expect to write legislation and make it law within the military. Maybe I should have clarified that for you.

 

[SFC Ollie]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

I hope you have something to back that up with? Because I smell BS. Some of us spent a few years in the military, I was on active duty for 22 years, sorry didn't see any more in the military than I see in civilian life.

 

[High_Gravity]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

Its human nature, alot of the times these same things are going on anyways when the Military member is around but when they are deployed, its just more open and blatant. Besides, I had sex with a married woman in California when her husband was in Texas looking for a house for her and their family, so civilians are just as guilty in this as the Military folks.

 

[Seawytch]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

I hear ya. Since I was one of the few "single" women on the ship (of course I wasn't single, but in a long term relationship with my current spouse), I had a number of married men proposition me while deployed. ******* straights can't keep it in their pants can they?

 

[High_Gravity]

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

When I was at Fort Campbell they would kick spouses out of housing if they where found to be cheating on a deployed loved one. It was awesome.

That is awesome, at Vandenberg Air Force Base they let the whores stay on base until the service member files a divorce, and even after that they get 30 days before they have to leave, they totallk take the side of the civilians on that base, and if the Military member is caught cheating? forget about it.

 

[High_Gravity]

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

I hear ya. Since I was one of the few "single" women on the ship (of course I wasn't single, but in a long term relationship with my current spouse), I had a number of married men proposition me while deployed. ******* straights can't keep it in their pants can they?

I think men in general can't keep it in their pants SeaWytch.

 

[Seawytch]

I blame secretary gates for this. He should have manned up and told congress that they have no authority over the military, and that the supreme court has no authority over the military neither, and they could take there gays in the military policy and pound it into there ass with it.
They needed to pass this legislation for one reason only, and it had nothing to do with gays in the military. This policy being passed set president on future policy enforced on the military by activist judges, that is all it did. Next thing you know, someone like sotomeyer will vote yes on not making it mandatory that servicemen and woman swear an oath to uphold the constitution. Then they could effectively turn the military on it's own people. You watch and see, I would bet money on it. It may be a long ways away, but it will happen.

Wow...now THAT is a new conspiracy theory. Yikes!

History my friend, it would not be the first time it happened, the only thing different about America is we have a constitution protecting our rights, so therefore the left have to dismantle that constitution a little bit at a time. It's taken them 100 years to get this far, and they still have a little ways to go. The only way they can dismantle the constitution is through judicial activism. Which you seen when they enforced a law on the military about gays. The military falls under UCMJ, it has it's own laws and legal system, it was designed like that by the founders so that a tyrannical government would not be able to use it against it's own people.
Think what you want, but I "And many other people that are paying attention" know exactly what is going on.

Um, just for the record, DADT was repealed through Congress not the judicial system. Nothing but a crazy conspiracy theory.

 

[grunt11b]

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

I hear ya. Since I was one of the few "single" women on the ship (of course I wasn't single, but in a long term relationship with my current spouse), I had a number of married men proposition me while deployed. ******* straights can't keep it in their pants can they?

I think men in general can't keep it in their pants SeaWytch.

I can,until the next time.

 

[Seawytch]

In general.....how do military marriages do?

Why does the military care about how long relationships last as long as it does not impact the mission?

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

I hope you have something to back that up with? Because I smell BS. Some of us spent a few years in the military, I was on active duty for 22 years, sorry didn't see any more in the military than I see in civilian life.

Well I sure did. Saw a LTJG giving a SN a BJ on the pier in Key West...never saw anything like THAT in my civilian job. In my civilian job I never had married guys knocking on my door in the middle of the night after shore leave. In my civilian job, a married ET was not banging my single RM in my ******* office.

 

[High_Gravity]

That's a very good point. In the military, infidelity and promiscuity are so incredibly rampant, and occur on such a larger scale in comparison to civilian life, that all statistics on civilian relationships and sex practices is completely irrelevant.

I hope you have something to back that up with? Because I smell BS. Some of us spent a few years in the military, I was on active duty for 22 years, sorry didn't see any more in the military than I see in civilian life.

Well I sure did. Saw a LTJG giving a SN a BJ on the pier in Key West...never saw anything like THAT in my civilian job. In my civilian job I never had married guys knocking on my door in the middle of the night after shore leave. In my civilian job, a married ET was not banging my single RM in my ******* office.

Well to be fair civilians go home after they work their shift, civilians don't have to live together in tents or on navy ships, where I work people just book the motel a few blocks away to get their freak on.

 

[Seawytch]

The things I saw on deployment.............


And the things that spouses do while their loved one is on deployment...............

I hear ya. Since I was one of the few "single" women on the ship (of course I wasn't single, but in a long term relationship with my current spouse), I had a number of married men proposition me while deployed. ******* straights can't keep it in their pants can they?

I think men in general can't keep it in their pants SeaWytch.

That's the point, Amigo. Straight men would be JUST AS promiscuous as gay men are...if women let them. How come us lesbians always get left out of these conversations?

Well, there was that one guy that thought lesbians should be able to join the military so that guys could try to "convert" them. I think it was referred to as "corrective rape".