The Supreme Courts Ruling Killing Affirmative Action Might Not Turn Out The Way Conservatives Think

[Couchpotato]

As Jennifer Rubin, writing for the Washington Post, points out, Chief Justice Roberts, author of the majority opinion in the case of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, eviscerating the use of race-based factors for consideration in college admissions, left a giant loophole, possibly unintentionally, in his esteemed legal reasoning.


As Rubin notes, this essentially allows racism to be put front and center before a college admissions committee without the student’s “race” per se being a factor. So, any savvy college admissions team will still be able to evaluate a prospective applicant based on the racism he or she experienced, if that student is able to work that experience into a college essay response. Under Roberts’ formulation, then, being profiled by racist police officers, being followed around in a department store for no apparent reason, growing up in a poorer neighborhood because of historical redlining and “steering” by racist realtors, in fact just about all of the daily, lifelong indignities inflicted on racial minorities by white people and racist white institutions can be massaged into a college application tying racial discrimination to the applicant’s personal development, inspiration, or goals. And college admissions teams can still base their decisions to admit a person on that basis.

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And neither John Roberts, Stephen Miller, nor anyone else will be able to argue with their decision.

The Supreme Court killed affirmative action, but it may not turn out the way conservatives expect

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Be careful Stevie boy. Colleges can counter sue, and I hear they have some very good lawyers. Don't Let your alligator mouth overload your canary ass trumpfuck.

I don’t think anyone is under the delusion that people will not attempt to cheat the system and that colleges will defy the law. HS counselors will tell every nonwhite student to tell a story of overcoming racism whether they have or haven’t. And at some point everyone will just put that in their essay white, black, whatever.

What I’m confused by is the thinking that college admissions or competition for jobs or whatever based on everything about a candidate’s accomplishments and achievements leaving out all their immutable characteristics is somehow racist and a bad thing.

 

[Lisa558]

Competing for a college spot will now not be a matter of who is the most academically accomplished, but who has the biggest sob story. This will turn into a massive victimhood perspective, where high school black students will devote their time not to achieving but seeking out examples of how they were wronged.

 

[skews13]

Some modern day people for some reason, actually do carry "guilt" for acts they had nothing to do with and going back to before their great, great grand parents were born. This coulc be they type people on the entrance boards of many "Liberal" Arts colleges and University. That ruling basically said, they did not have to take it into account, but purposely left that loophole open.
Here are some supremely guilt ridden white people from Maryland, during the George Floyd protests. A BLM street preacher had people bowing down to and washing feet of black people. I saw this as a live report at the time. Some were even crying, due to their guilt. It was the most impressive manipulation in mass I have ever seen. The Psyops people could take lessons from the guy. It was spooky to watch.

No argument on being over the top. I maintain though that affirmative action on college admissions is a separate issue.

A full 28% of admissions to the most prestigious universities, are solely due to rich parent donors, or legacy parents whose names appear on buildings.

If you’re going to do away with affirmative action based upon non discriminatory policy, then you can’t have it both ways.

I have no problem personally with the courts ruling, if it is going to be applied evenly across the board, meaning no special consideration for rich white kids, or poor black kids.

In my own opinion, you should get admitted into a prestigious university based solely upon your grades, and participation during your high school years, or you’re a one in a million gifted 10 year old.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Blacks don't have a monopoly on discrimination.

Asians were treated equally badly in US history.

As a matter of fact the worst mass lynching in US history was perpetrated on Asians, not blacks.

Do you hear Asians whining about their history? NO, you don't.

Maybe that's why Asians have overcome their history and blacks haven't.

Asians, nor any other racial minority have a history that is comparable to that of Black people in America. Not the Irish, or the Italian or the Jewish nor any of the Asian groups have ever been held as slaves under the system of chattel slavery that people of African descent were subjected to.

And once slavery was abolished, a whole new set of racially discriminatory laws and societal mores were put in place to do everything possible to keep Black people oppressed. The legality of those systems remained in place until 1964 so that should give you an idea that before you can overcome something you first have to remove the problem which was systemic racial discrimination against Black people specifically.

 

[Hector12]

As Jennifer Rubin, writing for the Washington Post, points out, Chief Justice Roberts, author of the majority opinion in the case of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, eviscerating the use of race-based factors for consideration in college admissions, left a giant loophole, possibly unintentionally, in his esteemed legal reasoning.


As Rubin notes, this essentially allows racism to be put front and center before a college admissions committee without the student’s “race” per se being a factor. So, any savvy college admissions team will still be able to evaluate a prospective applicant based on the racism he or she experienced, if that student is able to work that experience into a college essay response. Under Roberts’ formulation, then, being profiled by racist police officers, being followed around in a department store for no apparent reason, growing up in a poorer neighborhood because of historical redlining and “steering” by racist realtors, in fact just about all of the daily, lifelong indignities inflicted on racial minorities by white people and racist white institutions can be massaged into a college application tying racial discrimination to the applicant’s personal development, inspiration, or goals. And college admissions teams can still base their decisions to admit a person on that basis.

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And neither John Roberts, Stephen Miller, nor anyone else will be able to argue with their decision.

The Supreme Court killed affirmative action, but it may not turn out the way conservatives expect

It’s become an article of faith among Republicans that racism is running rampant in this country. Racism against white people, that is. Multiple polls conducted over the past five years confirm that many white Americans believe they are routinely...

www.dailykos.com

Be careful Stevie boy. Colleges can counter sue, and I hear they have some very good lawyers. Don't Let your alligator mouth overload your canary ass trumpfuck.

University administrators will always find ways to admit unqualified Negroes. Those Negroes will drop out, flunk out, or get useless degrees in majors like black studies. The Universities will still deposit their tuition money in the bank, brag about having a student body that "looks like America," and continue the scam.

We need to end affirmative action in hiring decisions. Most hiring managers do not like to be pressured by the government to hire blacks who cannot perform adequately.

 

[Hector12]

Asians, nor any other racial minority have a history that is comparable to that of Black people in America. Not the Irish, or the Italian or the Jewish nor any of the Asian groups have ever been held as slaves under the system of chattel slavery that people of African descent were subjected to.

And once slavery was abolished, a whole new set of racially discriminatory laws and societal mores were put in place to do everything possible to keep Black people oppressed. The legality of those systems remained in place until 1964 so that should give you an idea that before you can overcome something you first have to remove the problem which was systemic racial discrimination against Black people specifically.

Before the civil rights movement Orientals in the South were often considered to be "honorary whites" because they behaved and performed at least as well as most whites. That is why they were rarely discriminated against.

Most Negroes have never performed and behaved as well as most whites. That is why they were discriminated against. The civil rights legislation was forced on whites with extensive experience with Negroes by whites with little experience.

 

[Hector12]

Some modern day people for some reason, actually do carry "guilt" for acts they had nothing to do with and going back to before their great, great grand parents were born. This coulc be they type people on the entrance boards of many "Liberal" Arts colleges and University. That ruling basically said, they did not have to take it into account, but purposely left that loophole open.
Here are some supremely guilt ridden white people from Maryland, during the George Floyd protests. A BLM street preacher had people bowing down to and washing feet of black people. I saw this as a live report at the time. Some were even crying, due to their guilt. It was the most impressive manipulation in mass I have ever seen. The Psyops people could take lessons from the guy. It was spooky to watch.

Blacks should be washing our feet to atone for all the crimes the commit against us, all their illegitimate children we support on welfare, and the way they ruin white working class neighborhoods by moving into them.

 

[White 6]

Blacks should be washing our feet to atone for all the crimes the commit against us, all their illegitimate children we support on welfare, and the way they ruin white working class neighborhoods by moving into them.

Really? You desire someone to bow down and wash your feet? You would want segregated housing and real estate to be an American value. Dude. You are equally part of the problem.

 

[justoffal]

Competing for a college spot will now not be a matter of who is the most academically accomplished, but who has the biggest sob story. This will turn into a massive victimhood perspective, where high school black students will devote their time not to achieving but seeking out examples of how they were wronged.

I think you nailed it.

 

[HikerGuy83]

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And here we go.

First, I doubt that the justices will be chagrined as they wrote the decision that allows this to take place. It seems that someone has an ax to grind. So good luck with that.

Second, whites and asians will have no problem buffaloing their entrance appliactions to compete with the B.S. that is going to show up on the applications of others. And consider that unless there is a police report associated with some claim, they can't be considered as they'll wind up in court REAL FAST. To think otherwise is silly.

Third, why does it gall you so much to see injustice corrected ? Qualified kids are being excluded on the basis of race (meaning they are out so others, less qualified, of a particular race can be admitted). The ideal in this country is merit. Why do you seem so against that ?

 

[HikerGuy83]

Correct.

And given the fact that every American of color has experienced racism during the course of his life, race can lawfully be used by colleges and universities when considering admission, foiling the racist right’s efforts to keep Americans of color from obtaining a higher education.

So all that is necessary is to claim racism. Or some form of discrimination. I doubt that anyone is going to put stock in the B.S. that will show up in admissions. If they do, they'll be more court cases.

Anyone can lie about discrimination, whites, asians, indians, blacks.....anyone.

 

[Lisa558]

So all that is necessary is to claim racism. Or some form of discrimination. I doubt that anyone is going to put stock in the B.S. that will show up in admissions. If they do, they'll be more court cases.

Anyone can lie about discrimination, whites, asians, indians, blacks.....anyone.

And starting in ninth grade, blacks will be laser-focused on finding examples of racism in their own lives. It will teach blacks to put on a victimhood hat.

 

[Lisa558]

So all that is necessary is to claim racism. Or some form of discrimination. I doubt that anyone is going to put stock in the B.S. that will show up in admissions. If they do, they'll be more court cases.

Anyone can lie about discrimination, whites, asians, indians, blacks.....anyone.

The problem is….it’s subjective. The leftists who are dead-set on increasing the percentage of blacks on campus and decreasing the whites and Asians (and Jews of course) will find the stories of racism most “impressive” among black applicants.

I worked in admissions. I know how these people think.

 

[miketx]

As Jennifer Rubin, writing for the Washington Post, points out, Chief Justice Roberts, author of the majority opinion in the case of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, eviscerating the use of race-based factors for consideration in college admissions, left a giant loophole, possibly unintentionally, in his esteemed legal reasoning.


As Rubin notes, this essentially allows racism to be put front and center before a college admissions committee without the student’s “race” per se being a factor. So, any savvy college admissions team will still be able to evaluate a prospective applicant based on the racism he or she experienced, if that student is able to work that experience into a college essay response. Under Roberts’ formulation, then, being profiled by racist police officers, being followed around in a department store for no apparent reason, growing up in a poorer neighborhood because of historical redlining and “steering” by racist realtors, in fact just about all of the daily, lifelong indignities inflicted on racial minorities by white people and racist white institutions can be massaged into a college application tying racial discrimination to the applicant’s personal development, inspiration, or goals. And college admissions teams can still base their decisions to admit a person on that basis.

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And neither John Roberts, Stephen Miller, nor anyone else will be able to argue with their decision.

The Supreme Court killed affirmative action, but it may not turn out the way conservatives expect

It’s become an article of faith among Republicans that racism is running rampant in this country. Racism against white people, that is. Multiple polls conducted over the past five years confirm that many white Americans believe they are routinely...

www.dailykos.com

Be careful Stevie boy. Colleges can counter sue, and I hear they have some very good lawyers. Don't Let your alligator mouth overload your canary ass trumpfuck.

Didn't take long for the spin spew to start...

 

[HikerGuy83]

And starting in ninth grade, blacks will be laser-focused on finding examples of racism in their own lives. It will teach blacks to put on a victimhood hat.

Some are already being conditioned that way.

I can't wait for the push to even out the transgender population at schools. Same tactics.

 

[HikerGuy83]

The problem is….it’s subjective. The leftists who are dead-set on increasing the percentage of blacks on campus and decreasing the whites and Asians (and Jews of course) will find the stories of racism most “impressive” among black applicants.

I worked in admissions. I know how these people think.

And that is why there will be more court battles. How do you place a weighting on being discriminated against.

We discriminate every day.

We need to get over it.

 

[Lisa558]

Some are already being conditioned that way.

I can't wait for the push to even out the transgender population at schools. Same tactics.

Without all the outside interference from liberals pushing the trans agenda, the percentage in the general population is 0.3%.

 

[Lisa558]

And that is why there will be more court battles. How do you place a weighting on being discriminated against.

We discriminate every day.

We need to get over it.

Maybe we should reward students who say they haven’t been discriminated against!

 

[marvin martian]

As Jennifer Rubin, writing for the Washington Post, points out, Chief Justice Roberts, author of the majority opinion in the case of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, eviscerating the use of race-based factors for consideration in college admissions, left a giant loophole, possibly unintentionally, in his esteemed legal reasoning.


As Rubin notes, this essentially allows racism to be put front and center before a college admissions committee without the student’s “race” per se being a factor. So, any savvy college admissions team will still be able to evaluate a prospective applicant based on the racism he or she experienced, if that student is able to work that experience into a college essay response. Under Roberts’ formulation, then, being profiled by racist police officers, being followed around in a department store for no apparent reason, growing up in a poorer neighborhood because of historical redlining and “steering” by racist realtors, in fact just about all of the daily, lifelong indignities inflicted on racial minorities by white people and racist white institutions can be massaged into a college application tying racial discrimination to the applicant’s personal development, inspiration, or goals. And college admissions teams can still base their decisions to admit a person on that basis.

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And neither John Roberts, Stephen Miller, nor anyone else will be able to argue with their decision.

The Supreme Court killed affirmative action, but it may not turn out the way conservatives expect

It’s become an article of faith among Republicans that racism is running rampant in this country. Racism against white people, that is. Multiple polls conducted over the past five years confirm that many white Americans believe they are routinely...

www.dailykos.com

Be careful Stevie boy. Colleges can counter sue, and I hear they have some very good lawyers. Don't Let your alligator mouth overload your canary ass trumpfuck.

What have you done to atone for your ancestors' slave owning?

 

[HikerGuy83]

As Jennifer Rubin, writing for the Washington Post, points out, Chief Justice Roberts, author of the majority opinion in the case of Students for Fair Admissions, Inc. v. President and Fellows of Harvard College, eviscerating the use of race-based factors for consideration in college admissions, left a giant loophole, possibly unintentionally, in his esteemed legal reasoning.


As Rubin notes, this essentially allows racism to be put front and center before a college admissions committee without the student’s “race” per se being a factor. So, any savvy college admissions team will still be able to evaluate a prospective applicant based on the racism he or she experienced, if that student is able to work that experience into a college essay response. Under Roberts’ formulation, then, being profiled by racist police officers, being followed around in a department store for no apparent reason, growing up in a poorer neighborhood because of historical redlining and “steering” by racist realtors, in fact just about all of the daily, lifelong indignities inflicted on racial minorities by white people and racist white institutions can be massaged into a college application tying racial discrimination to the applicant’s personal development, inspiration, or goals. And college admissions teams can still base their decisions to admit a person on that basis.

As Rubin observes, “Put simply, as long as you allow students to tell their personal story of racism, race will get considered in the admissions process — to the chagrin of the right-wing justices and politicians who cheer this Pyrrhic victory.”

And neither John Roberts, Stephen Miller, nor anyone else will be able to argue with their decision.

The Supreme Court killed affirmative action, but it may not turn out the way conservatives expect

It’s become an article of faith among Republicans that racism is running rampant in this country. Racism against white people, that is. Multiple polls conducted over the past five years confirm that many white Americans believe they are routinely...

www.dailykos.com

Be careful Stevie boy. Colleges can counter sue, and I hear they have some very good lawyers. Don't Let your alligator mouth overload your canary ass trumpfuck.

Rubin's is an idiot.

Wonder why the whole left wing had to change their underwear after the ruling if admissions boards are still going to be racist.

One thing I learned from all this is that Joy Reid went to Harvard. I couldn't contain my laughter. She said she got in because of affirmative action....proving that we often send the wrong people to good schools for stupid reasons. She's not Harvard material because she's black. She's not Harvard material because she's stupid.

Of course she got something like a film degree which is what qualifies her to be a left wing pundit.

Good luck touting the idea that affirmative action will continue to keep qualified students out what people like Reid get in.