The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Uncensored2008]

The problem was that Obama didn't want to make a big deal about what the Russians were up to before the election because he wanted to keep their support on the Iran deal.

Actually, Obama DID make a big deal of it, Joe. He reported that he told Uncle Pooty in no uncertain term to "stop it".

And the sanctions. Don’t forget the sanctions. The sanctions are the reason Russia helped Donald Trump.

You FUCKING LIAR.

{
The investigation did not establish any agreement among Campaign officials or between such officials and Russia-linked individuals to interfere with or obstruct a lawful function of a government agency during the campaign or transition period. And, as discussed in Volume 1, Section V.A, supra, the investigation did not identify evidence that any Campaign official or associate knowingly and intentionally participated in the conspiracy to defraud that the Office charged, namely, the active-measures conspiracy described in Volume 1, Section II, supra.

Accordingly, the Office did not charge any Campaign associate or other US. person with conspiracy to defraud the United States based on the Russia-related contacts described in Section IV above.

}

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

Like they were right about Iraq.

Like they were right about the bush tax cuts creating a fantastic economy just before the recession.

Like they were right about Donald Trump‘s tax cuts for billionaires.

Like they were right about the Clinton foundation.

Like they were right about Obama being born in Kenya.

I’m still trying to find something they were actually right about.

They call themselves the right constantly and yet they seem to do nothing but be wrong.

Funny, me pointing that out, makes me right.

You're a legend in your own mind kid.

At least I still have one. Clearly Republicans have lost their‘s.

You're just a fucking liar.

No one heeds a word you say.

 

[Polishprince]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

My question is IF this trump moron goes to war with Iran HOW MANY Americans will lose their lives because of him?? How many repub families who support the pig now will support him when their son or daughter comes home in a coffin?

What makes you think that Iran will pick a fight with America? President Trump follows the credo of the great Virgil Solozzo and realizes that blood is a big expense. He's a businessman.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

Given the way this country is in the process of completely losing its shit, I don't really blame you.
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Gee, almost like we are in a civil war, huh Mac?

 

[imawhosure]

All I care about is finding out what actually happened. And the "evidence" I hear about from either end of this means little to me, because I know how crazed and dishonest both ends can be.

I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Hannity, just as I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Maddow. Neither means much to me.
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I think thats all any of us want, full disclosure of what really happened during and after the 2016 election. We are entitled to know why Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails and what they contained, we are entitled to know the entire story behind the uranium one deal and the russian dossier. We are entitled to know what exactly Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper did during the election and what influence they were trying to exert from their high level civil service positions and whether it was illegal.

We are entitled to know if factions within our government were trying to execute a coup to remove a duly elected president. Any american who does not want these answers is either stupid or a total partisan hack.

Sure, we need to get it all out. But by "it", I'm talking about proven, corroborated facts.

For now, I'll take what the Right is saying at face value and I think everything should be flushed out. I'm just not convinced that the story is true, since the people telling it are not honest in my book.

What concerns me is that we are now at a point at which the two ends can't even agree on FACTS. That makes this a bit tougher.
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OK Mac, I am going to give you the rundown on what MOST people have studied this on the right believe, just so you know, and don't have to fish.

1. Most journalists on the right believe, the FBI was DUPED by John Brennan to open this investigation, since the CIA has not the power to do this alone, and has no supeana power.

2. James Comey actually BELIEVED what he was saying, until maybe the last 6 to 10 months, and thought he was saving the country.

3. At some point, Comey realized that Brennan set him up, and it was Comey who demanded that the Steele Dossier be included in future FISA'S (while he was there in charge) because the Dossier eventually leads back to Brennan, and it was for CYA.

4. Mueller knew quickly that there was no collusion, as he interviewed Strozk and Paige, and they had nothing. Also, Wiseman, the Mueller pitbull, was told on August of 2016 that the dossier was fantasy, and of course, he told Mueller. Soooooooooo, he went to Rosenstein to get an updated scope memo, mid 2017, after being named Special Counsel. This is how they went after Cohen, and other aspects of the Trump team. (that is going to be released)

5. This is NOT the only dossier! I know, I know, what the hell am I talking about?!?!?!?!?! There are other dossiers, on other GOP candidates. When Admiral Rogers checked the queries into our secy-secy database, he discovered the unmaskings were predominantly GOP fundraisers, and people who had been tied to other GOP campaigns. In essence, the contractors were getting dirt! The only reason we are right now focusing on Trump, is because he was the eventual winner of the GOP primary. This also leads back to Brennan as his fingerprints are all over it, along with the State Departments. We do not yet know if one of the 3 contractors allowed access to the database, was Fusion GPS or not........at least the public does not know, I am sure the Trump team does.

6. Joseph Mifsud worked for Western Intelligence agencies, not RUSSIAN! After he was interviewed in 2017, he went off grid, and the only contact since then has been through his lawyer. He knows Steele, and Halper, proven fact........along with Richard Deerlove, former head of MI6! In fact, Halper and Deerlove taught a course together, I believe at Oxford, on surveillance, while this whole thing was going on! A couple of days AFTER President Trump was elected, Deerlove RESIGNED! 2 months later, Mifsud disappeared.

7. There is compelling evidence, that this investigation did NOT start in October of 2016, but rather late February, early April of 2016 with the alphabet agencies. NOTHING went through normal channels, everything went through higher ups, and avoided scrutiny of protocol channels. Theresa May knew about it, and in fact fought to STOP Trump from declassifying last time.

In closing------------>the Right is 90% positive that,

a. John Brennan was the driving force behind this fiasco.

b. The FBI was duped.

c. the state department got involved through the 3 contractors looking into our secy-secy database. (think Sally Yates)

d. On the way out the door, the Obama Administration changed the rules of intelligence sharing to cloud how this happened.

e. On some level, President Obama and Vice President Biden were involved, or at least informed of what was going on, since Lorretta Lynch HAD to be told of an investigation of this magnitude. The only way something like this could be authorized, had to be at the Oval Office level.

So now you know what we think, and facts point towards it being true. Sorry, but I am not going to lie to you.

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
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Just like the left wing has accused the executive branch all the way to the top, of conspiring with Russia to alter our elections, and continue to do so even AFTER the witch hunt THEY instituted found no such thing occurred.

The arrogance of the deep state is such that the case is already proven. Scumbag traitors like John Brennan spend hours on low rated cable TV BRAGGING about how they used the federal government to influence and interfere with the 2016 election.

Nellie Ohr and Bruce Ohr OPENLY colluded with Fusion GPS to commission Russia through foreign spy Christopher Steel to fabricate slander which was leaked to Buzzfeed for the express purpose of altering the election. Bruce Ohr worked for the FBI at the time and reported his actions to James Comey and Barack Obama.

BTW, while I know you cut and pasted the above screed from one of the hate sites, that you did without attribution means you own it, so what "hyper-partisan conspiracy books" has Mark Levin written?


He typically writes about the Constitution. Do you think the Constitution is a "conspiracy?"

Um, no.


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One more thing. You are a smart guy, I know this!

So I have a question for you. No need to answer, just think about the answer yourself-----------------> Suppose any of the Alphabet agencies today, get a report that Joe Biden is working with the Chinese. They talk it over, and decide maybe they should investigate.

At what level do YOU think, it would have to go to in the government, to get the go ahead to surveille, spy, investigate? And when reports start coming back, if they wanted to keep looking, who do you think would have to give the ok!

It wouldn't surprise me if it were the President, but I can't prove that.
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That is what I would think also, but even if not, it certainly was someone very, very high on the food chain.

Let me tell you-------------->I didn't want Trump to be guilty, nor do I want the Democrats to be guilty. Unfortunately, one side is! Both stories can NOT be true simultaneously. If you have a way that it is possible, please tell us.

And so, if the GOP wants release, and the Left tries everything they can to stop that release, unless you are braindead, it should cement which side is at least telling MOST of the truth.

In any case, this is all sad, very, vary sad-(

 

[Mac1958]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

Given the way this country is in the process of completely losing its shit, I don't really blame you.

Gee, almost like we are in a civil war, huh Mac?

Damn near.
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[ozro]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

I am sorry, but that is not a great answer.

We need discover the truth here, and then stick it to everyone from either side, who was involved. If our country collapses or turns police state, eventually they will come for you and yours too.

perhaps they will come for me, and my acres of defensive positions will be tested.
If that happens it will only come after they ran out of victims in populated areas.
Consider:
If one thinks the "deep state" is real, then one has to wonder about the power and transportaion systems .

 

[Uncensored2008]

There is no doubt the Deep State exists. It has been in place for decades. However I would question just about anything promoted by Hannity and Levin. Partisans of either party can’t be trusted.

There is no doubt you're full of shit. There is no Deep State. That's a lie Putin tells Trump and you believe it.

It wasn't that long ago that the deep state was understood by the left. Then, along comes Trump, who hi jacks the concept and the cognitive ability of Democrats and the left's concept is effectively neutralized. It is scary how easily persuaded the American populace is.

The Deep State Hiding in Plain Sight | Season 3 Episode 8 | Moyers & Company

Trump routinely highjacks ideas from the left - it's part of why the democrats hate him so deeply.

 

[DJT for Life]

No need for more investigations. All we need is some common sense and honesty. Look at Pelosi. She's stressed to the hilt. She has a party in total chaos. She is trying to control the young turks, and they're not going to be led on a leash by an old has been. She's probably going to lose her job before the next election.

Honesty common sense ?? Surely you jest ...If this ah in our WH now isn't impeachable WHAT IS?? Silence from republican traitors Giving power to declassify to his fixer?

What's wrong with declassifying these documents ? If the deep state has nothing to hide, they should be proud of their actions of going to the FISA court

Because the pos barr might give up the mole in russia that let us know putin was fn with our election Giving those docs to trumps asskisser ? Are you kidding me?

The Attorney General and President Trump have ALREADY seen the classified documents. If there is a mole in Russia, as you contend, Trump already knows who it is and so does Barr.

The question is about what the American people know or don't know.

The one factual and very important thing in your statement is...That Barr and the President already know what's in the FISA warrants.
These items would not be declassified if there wasn't some juicy information in them.

Even Mueller knew that Steele got some of his information from two Russians. That's real interesting.

A dossier...paid for by the Clinton Campaign and the DNC...used a spy from England and Two Russians to get dirt on an American Presidential
Campaign, and then have the CIA and FBI use that Dossier to spy on American citizens associated, with that campaign.

Now I may not be very bright, but that sure as hell seems like Clinton and the DNC were conspiring and colluding with agents from two
foreign governments to take down the President of the United States. IS That Legal?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
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The only side doing any serious investigation has been the "hyper-partisan" side.

Madcow produced no evidence of collusion...Only the same vagaries and innuendo that the rest of his media stooges echoed, which didn't add up to a popcorn fart.

Since nothing really surprises me at this point, this whole story could be true. I'd just like to know for sure. And given the fairly hysterical history of hyper-partisans, I'm gonna wait until the whole story is told.

This is a sitting President and some of his party going after the federal government. That's historic. So there's no room for emotion or assumptions here.
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You're trying to get in front of the story to provide you cover for what you cannot distort.

 

[Mac1958]

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
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The only side doing any serious investigation has been the "hyper-partisan" side.

Madcow produced no evidence of collusion...Only the same vagaries and innuendo that the rest of his media stooges echoed, which didn't add up to a popcorn fart.

Since nothing really surprises me at this point, this whole story could be true. I'd just like to know for sure. And given the fairly hysterical history of hyper-partisans, I'm gonna wait until the whole story is told.

This is a sitting President and some of his party going after the federal government. That's historic. So there's no room for emotion or assumptions here.
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You're trying to get in front of the story to provide you cover for what you cannot distort.

Saying that I'm waiting for complete, independent, corroborated evidence is "trying to get in front of the story"?

Okay, well, you and I have different definitions of what that term means.
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[Correll]

The peter strzok emails, were not from hyper-partisans. The actions of Mueller, with his witch hunt and his quibbling in his final report, were not provided by hyper-partisans.

They weren't? Which news organizations have been reporting on them?
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I've read the actual material, from multiple sources. Unless the emails and the final report out there, is falsified, then it came from the actual actors, not the reporting agency.


You seem to be leaning already, to blaming, or at least focusing on the messenger, instead of the actual information.


That you don't see the MSM reporting, or at least not reporting much on information damaging to the liberal agenda, is not evidence that the reporting by the other side is thus biased.


It is just as possible that the LACK of reporting is driven by partisan bias.

I've seen several years, going back to the Obama years, of non-stop accusations, conspiracy theories and "we've got 'em this time". I think we both know that.

Neither end of our spectrum has any credibility to me for precisely that reason. Prove this stuff beyond a reasonable doubt, and I'm with ya.
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I did not find Birtherism, nor Pizza Gate, nor Vince Foster to have the hard evidence AND the open behaviors of this one to support it.

Say what, What hard evidence? with file gate they found the files in Hillary's secretary office after the Star report

Such as the emails of FBI agents plotting against the President.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Do you realize that the "information" presented by the party press is, shall we say, less than reliable?

Sure, on both ends. That's why I always try to wait for clear, independent proof and corroboration.
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The proof is overwhelming, and you have been presented it hundreds of times on hundreds of occasions.

An example: Did Mark Levin fabricate the text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Why did it take the DOD using analysts to drill into FBI servers to get those? Isn't the coverup by the FBI a crime?

You're not waiting for anything - you are just being a partisan, that which you accuse others of. The facts are known. Now the media will not be able to bury them.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

Given the way this country is in the process of completely losing its shit, I don't really blame you.

Gee, almost like we are in a civil war, huh Mac?

Damn near.
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You mocked me two weeks ago for pointing out this fact.

 

[imawhosure]

Whether the right is right or whether the left is right, we the people have been cheated. This kind of nonstop bullshit is exactly why I live way out on the way to nowhere. Its exactly why I have my own power, water and the means to feed myself.

I am sorry, but that is not a great answer.

We need discover the truth here, and then stick it to everyone from either side, who was involved. If our country collapses or turns police state, eventually they will come for you and yours too.

perhaps they will come for me, and my acres of defensive positions will be tested.
If that happens it will only come after they ran out of victims in populated areas.
Consider:
If one thinks the "deep state" is real, then one has to wonder about the power and transportaion systems .

I am not questioning your defensive position, lol...….or your patriotism. I am questioning your logic!

It is the old...………."when they came for me, nobody was left" story.

I don't live in a big city either! Still, we MUST exert every ounce of control we have on our leaders, because like it or not, we can't hide long enough if these clowns get control.

 

[Faun]

Rachel Maddow is the enemy of the people.

If this stuff is proven to be fantasy, so are Hannity and Levin.

Considering everything is based on sworn congressional testimony and peoples actions, it would be hard to prove it a fantasy. The only question is was it due to nefarious intent or was it justified. Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified. McCabe told congress, without the dossier there would have been no FISA warrant. Steele told a British court that the dossier was raw intelligence and was unverified. This isn't rocket science.

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"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Do you realize that the "information" presented by the party press is, shall we say, less than reliable?

Sure, on both ends. That's why I always try to wait for clear, independent proof and corroboration.
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The proof is overwhelming, and you have been presented it hundreds of times on hundreds of occasions.

An example: Did Mark Levin fabricate the text messages between Peter Strzok and Lisa Page? Why did it take the DOD using analysts to drill into FBI servers to get those? Isn't the coverup by the FBI a crime?

You're not waiting for anything - you are just being a partisan, that which you accuse others of. The facts are known. Now the media will not be able to bury them.

Exactly, the facts are there .

 

[Uncensored2008]

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

If that is an example of the best lies you Stalinists can come up with - you fuckers are toast.

 

[Faun]

"Comey signed a FISA warrant application which included the Steele dossier, saying it was verified and less than 2 weeks later told Trump it was salacious and unverified."

Like I always say, if conservatives didn't lie, they'd have absolutely nothing to say.

No, ya lyin' pos, Comey never said the dossier was "salacious and unverified." He said, "some personally sensitive aspects," of it were. Which we came to learn he was talking about the portion of the dossier claiming trump paid prostitutes to perform a golden shower.

So you don't pay attention AND you lie. That makes you a typical conservative.

If that is an example of the best lies you Stalinists can come up with - you fuckers are toast.

 

[Oddball]

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
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The only side doing any serious investigation has been the "hyper-partisan" side.

Madcow produced no evidence of collusion...Only the same vagaries and innuendo that the rest of his media stooges echoed, which didn't add up to a popcorn fart.

Since nothing really surprises me at this point, this whole story could be true. I'd just like to know for sure. And given the fairly hysterical history of hyper-partisans, I'm gonna wait until the whole story is told.

This is a sitting President and some of his party going after the federal government. That's historic. So there's no room for emotion or assumptions here.
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I'm looking more at the thematic structure -the meta-story if you will- and comparing it to history.

In doing so, the pattern of powerlust joined with an alarming level of hubris and entitlement bares itself.

While I strongly suggest you read the entire book, this chapter excerpt tells you all you need to know about what's happening before us...

Why the Worst Get on Top | F. A. Hayek