The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

[Redfish]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

I want to see a transcript of the "accidental" tarmac meeting between Bubba clinton and Lynch. What kind of deal did they make, how much was she paid? do you care?

All I care about is finding out what actually happened. And the "evidence" I hear about from either end of this means little to me, because I know how crazed and dishonest both ends can be.

I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Hannity, just as I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Maddow. Neither means much to me.
.

I think thats all any of us want, full disclosure of what really happened during and after the 2016 election. We are entitled to know why Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails and what they contained, we are entitled to know the entire story behind the uranium one deal and the russian dossier. We are entitled to know what exactly Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper did during the election and what influence they were trying to exert from their high level civil service positions and whether it was illegal.

We are entitled to know if factions within our government were trying to execute a coup to remove a duly elected president. Any american who does not want these answers is either stupid or a total partisan hack.

 

[Polishprince]

There is no doubt the Deep State exists. It has been in place for decades. However I would question just about anything promoted by Hannity and Levin. Partisans of either party can’t be trusted.

Mark R. Levin is known internationally as the "Great One".

Yes, I think he can be trusted.

Mr. Levin has invited leading libs like Schiff, Pelosi and Mueller on to his program to explain themselves but they have failed to.

Tells me they are lying, and don't want to to be exposed.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Someone is gonna look pretty silly. I don't claim to know who.
.

I'm not so sure about that.

To an increasing degree, there are simply two different narratives of reality in our country and the narrative of those exposed will simply shift to create a new one. If Hannity et all are correct, the media will simply refuse to admit the truth, ignore and downplay the findings and shift attention elsewhere.

 

[Redfish]

I wouldn't use the term conspiracy, but ever since Trump stepped into office, there has been a concerted effort to remove him by any means necessary. The mainstream media has been leading the charge, and the Democratic party is complicit by fueling the witch hunt.

Rather than a conspiracy, which involves people actively communicating with each other to hatch a specific plot, I tend to see it in terms of massive numbers of people operating with a common cause who are doing what they are doing because they are all motivated by antipathies towards Trump and butt hurt that the election didn't go the way they had planned.

yeah, I get that. But when every democrat and every media outlet uses the same talking points every day, it sure looks like some kind of conspiracy. "cover up" "constitutional crisis" etc.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

I want to see a transcript of the "accidental" tarmac meeting between Bubba clinton and Lynch. What kind of deal did they make, how much was she paid? do you care?

All I care about is finding out what actually happened. And the "evidence" I hear about from either end of this means little to me, because I know how crazed and dishonest both ends can be.

I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Hannity, just as I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Maddow. Neither means much to me.
.

I think thats all any of us want, full disclosure of what really happened during and after the 2016 election. We are entitled to know why Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails and what they contained, we are entitled to know the entire story behind the uranium one deal and the russian dossier. We are entitled to know what exactly Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper did during the election and what influence they were trying to exert from their high level civil service positions and whether it was illegal.

We are entitled to know if factions within our government were trying to execute a coup to remove a duly elected president. Any american who does not want these answers is either stupid or a total partisan hack.

Not only deleted her emails but no backups for the Secretary of State? Give me a friggen break.

 

[imawhosure]

It's just more bullshit.
The only difference now is tRump found himself someone either stupid or crazy enough to take it seriously.

Well, the allegations are very serious, going all the way through our government and up to the very top.

They're very sure they have this nailed, as we see on this thread.

Someone is gonna look pretty silly. I don't claim to know who.
.

Mac, DUDE!

Look at Christine Kavelicks notes from the state department, 10 days BEFORE the 1st FISA was issued.

I will make it easy for you---------------->

LOOK right NEXT to where it says SOURCES! Who are Steele's sources, taken by Mz Kavelick of the state department?

ANSWER---------------> 2 Russians! 1 is a General who is Putins buddy, the other is the silver fox, a MEDIA DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST! It is right there!

And Steele TOLD Kavelick, that this information was run through the RUSSIAN CONSULATE in MIAMI, to the Trump team in Mira Lago. DUDE, DUDE, Kevelick new INSTANTLY he was lying because, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN CONSULATE IN MIAMI, and then checked the travel records of the people Steele claimed to be feeding the Trump campaign information!

She then sent e-mails to the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and DNI, basically telling them that Steele was full of crapola, and yet 8 days after that, the FBI walked into the FISA court, and claimed ALL THE INFORMATION WAS VERIFIED per PROTOCOL, under the Woods procedure, that Bob Mueller himself authored when HE was the head of the FBI!

OK, any Leftist, or moderate...……….explain how that happens! But let us suppose they didn't read their e-mails. Fine, and OK! But, the FBI KNEW about those e-mails, because they KEPT them from the Senate Committee for 2 years when they DEMANDED them, and while they were HIDING them, went and got 3 more FISA's on the SAME INFORMATION, even while HIDING these e-mails!!!!!!!

Geeze, none of us are rocket scientists, but I can't believe anyone can be this dumb, or partisan!

 

[Mac1958]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

I want to see a transcript of the "accidental" tarmac meeting between Bubba clinton and Lynch. What kind of deal did they make, how much was she paid? do you care?

All I care about is finding out what actually happened. And the "evidence" I hear about from either end of this means little to me, because I know how crazed and dishonest both ends can be.

I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Hannity, just as I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Maddow. Neither means much to me.
.

I think thats all any of us want, full disclosure of what really happened during and after the 2016 election. We are entitled to know why Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails and what they contained, we are entitled to know the entire story behind the uranium one deal and the russian dossier. We are entitled to know what exactly Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper did during the election and what influence they were trying to exert from their high level civil service positions and whether it was illegal.

We are entitled to know if factions within our government were trying to execute a coup to remove a duly elected president. Any american who does not want these answers is either stupid or a total partisan hack.

Sure, we need to get it all out. But by "it", I'm talking about proven, corroborated facts.

For now, I'll take what the Right is saying at face value and I think everything should be flushed out. I'm just not convinced that the story is true, since the people telling it are not honest in my book.

What concerns me is that we are now at a point at which the two ends can't even agree on FACTS. That makes this a bit tougher.
.

 

[JoeB131]

Fast N Furious REALLY HAPPENED. It was ignored by the media, stonewalled by the meat puppet faggot, and Holder was held in contempt.

Because it just wasn't a big deal. It's like saying the government lost track of a joint during a drug sting...

a quarter million guns cross the border every year, thanks to our loose gun laws. That the ATF lost a couple dozen of them... meh, can't get worked up about that.

 

[Mac1958]

Someone is gonna look pretty silly. I don't claim to know who.
.

I'm not so sure about that.

To an increasing degree, there are simply two different narratives of reality in our country and the narrative of those exposed will simply shift to create a new one. If Hannity et all are correct, the media will simply refuse to admit the truth, ignore and downplay the findings and shift attention elsewhere.

Sure. It's entirely possible that whatever final conclusion is reached won't be an end to anything.

In fact, given our current condition and battling realities, I'd be a little surprised if anything is "settled".
.

 

[Weatherman2020]

The huge story is was their an attempted coup upon our government or not. Right now all of the evidence appears to be yes. So if Trump is not assassinated, we should see the culprits see justice.

If Trump remains alive and the whole thing fizzles away to oblivion with nothing happening, I’m not sure what the answer is.

The problem is that the "evidence" has largely been provided by one hyper-partisan side of the spectrum. I don't care which side it comes from, but "evidence" like that is essentially worthless until fully proven and corroborated. Look at the mountains of "evidence" provided by Rachel Maddow on collusion.

If this evidence is all correct, great.
.

I want to see a transcript of the "accidental" tarmac meeting between Bubba clinton and Lynch. What kind of deal did they make, how much was she paid? do you care?

All I care about is finding out what actually happened. And the "evidence" I hear about from either end of this means little to me, because I know how crazed and dishonest both ends can be.

I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Hannity, just as I've heard a ton of "evidence" from Maddow. Neither means much to me.
.

I think thats all any of us want, full disclosure of what really happened during and after the 2016 election. We are entitled to know why Hillary destroyed 30,000 emails and what they contained, we are entitled to know the entire story behind the uranium one deal and the russian dossier. We are entitled to know what exactly Strzok, Page, Comey, Brennan, and Clapper did during the election and what influence they were trying to exert from their high level civil service positions and whether it was illegal.

We are entitled to know if factions within our government were trying to execute a coup to remove a duly elected president. Any american who does not want these answers is either stupid or a total partisan hack.

Sure, we need to get it all out. But by "it", I'm talking about proven, corroborated facts.

For now, I'll take what the Right is saying at face value and I think everything should be flushed out. I'm just not convinced that the story is true, since the people telling it are not honest in my book.

What concerns me is that we are now at a point at which the two ends can't even agree on FACTS. That makes this a bit tougher.
.

Documents are being declassified. We should know in the next week.

 

[blackhawk]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

Yes hopefully we will find out the truth soon just like we found out the truth about the lefts fevered claims about Trump and Russian collusion. Maybe there is something to find maybe not but I find the possibility of our law enforcement or inteligence community putting their thumb on the scale to try and influence an election just as big a threat to the country as a candidate colluding with a foreign government to do so. So lets get the facts and see what if anything is there.

 

[Mac1958]

It's just more bullshit.
The only difference now is tRump found himself someone either stupid or crazy enough to take it seriously.

Well, the allegations are very serious, going all the way through our government and up to the very top.

They're very sure they have this nailed, as we see on this thread.

Someone is gonna look pretty silly. I don't claim to know who.
.

Mac, DUDE!

Look at Christine Kavelicks notes from the state department, 10 days BEFORE the 1st FISA was issued.

I will make it easy for you---------------->

LOOK right NEXT to where it says SOURCES! Who are Steele's sources, taken by Mz Kavelick of the state department?

ANSWER---------------> 2 Russians! 1 is a General who is Putins buddy, the other is the silver fox, a MEDIA DISINFORMATION SPECIALIST! It is right there!

And Steele TOLD Kavelick, that this information was run through the RUSSIAN CONSULATE in MIAMI, to the Trump team in Mira Lago. DUDE, DUDE, Kevelick new INSTANTLY he was lying because, THERE IS NO RUSSIAN CONSULATE IN MIAMI, and then checked the travel records of the people Steele claimed to be feeding the Trump campaign information!

She then sent e-mails to the FBI, CIA, DOJ, and DNI, basically telling them that Steele was full of crapola, and yet 8 days after that, the FBI walked into the FISA court, and claimed ALL THE INFORMATION WAS VERIFIED per PROTOCOL, under the Woods procedure, that Bob Mueller himself authored when HE was the head of the FBI!

OK, any Leftist, or moderate...……….explain how that happens! But let us suppose they didn't read their e-mails. Fine, and OK! But, the FBI KNEW about those e-mails, because they KEPT them from the Senate Committee for 2 years when they DEMANDED them, and while they were HIDING them, went and got 3 more FISA's on the SAME INFORMATION, even while HIDING these e-mails!!!!!!!

Geeze, none of us are rocket scientists, but I can't believe anyone can be this dumb, or partisan!

I'm not claiming anything, except for the fact that I don't believe anything partisans say until it has been proven and corroborated.

And I'm consistent. That applies across the board, because both ends can be so comically similar in their behaviors.
.

 

[edward37]

No need for more investigations. All we need is some common sense and honesty. Look at Pelosi. She's stressed to the hilt. She has a party in total chaos. She is trying to control the young turks, and they're not going to be led on a leash by an old has been. She's probably going to lose her job before the next election.

Honesty common sense ?? Surely you jest ...If this ah in our WH now isn't impeachable WHAT IS?? Silence from republican traitors Giving power to declassify to his fixer?

 

[LordBrownTrout]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

We've had spies in our govt going all the way back to colonial times, Mac. A shadow govt isnt surprising in this day.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes hopefully we will find out the truth soon just like we found out the truth about the lefts fevered claims about Trump and Russian collusion. Maybe there is something to find maybe not but I find the possibility of our law enforcement or inteligence community putting their thumb on the scale to try and influence an election just as big a threat to the country as a candidate colluding with a foreign government to do so. So lets get the facts and see what if anything is there.

You see, again, your whole premise works on the assumption that Law Enforcement was trying to influence the election.

If they wanted to do that, simple enough way to do it. Leak everything we found out AFTER the election about Trump before the election.

The problem here wasn't that they really thought Trump might win. Quite the contrary, the general consensus before the election was that the GOP had shit the bed and were going to lose to an 'inevitable' Hillary.

The problem was that Obama didn't want to make a big deal about what the Russians were up to before the election because he wanted to keep their support on the Iran deal.

 

[Polishprince]

No need for more investigations. All we need is some common sense and honesty. Look at Pelosi. She's stressed to the hilt. She has a party in total chaos. She is trying to control the young turks, and they're not going to be led on a leash by an old has been. She's probably going to lose her job before the next election.

Honesty common sense ?? Surely you jest ...If this ah in our WH now isn't impeachable WHAT IS?? Silence from republican traitors Giving power to declassify to his fixer?

What's wrong with declassifying these documents ? If the deep state has nothing to hide, they should be proud of their actions of going to the FISA court

 

[deanrd]

The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

Like they were right about Iraq.

Like they were right about the bush tax cuts creating a fantastic economy just before the recession.

Like they were right about Donald Trump‘s tax cuts for billionaires.

Like they were right about the Clinton foundation.

Like they were right about Obama being born in Kenya.

I’m still trying to find something they were actually right about.

They call themselves the right constantly and yet they seem to do nothing but be wrong.

Funny, me pointing that out, makes me right.

 

[Polishprince]

The problem was that Obama didn't want to make a big deal about what the Russians were up to before the election because he wanted to keep their support on the Iran deal.

Actually, Obama DID make a big deal of it, Joe. He reported that he told Uncle Pooty in no uncertain term to "stop it".

 

[Ambivalent1]

So here we go, I guess.

This is no longer going to be some fevered conspiracy story born of one of Mark Levin's fevered hyper-partisan conspiracy books. It's no longer going to be the foundation of President Hannity's hyper-partisan radio and teevee shows, buttressed by the manic "reporting" of his small band of like-minded "investigative reporters" (Out-of-Control Sean Hannity Thumbs His Nose at Fox News Bosses).

It's no longer going to be this alternate-universe "blockbuster" narrative that a relatively small group of people know like the back of their hand, as if they're convinced that "Breaking Bad" or "Game of Thrones" are documentaries.

You're accusing the American government, all the way to the top, of conspiring to spy on and bring down a presidential candidate and an American President. Key players in this accusation include a Special Counsel, a former Director of National Intelligence, a former FBI Director, former Secretary of State and a former President. Not to mention any number of lower-level government conspirators. The Deep State.

Bottom line: If you folks are right about this whole thing, it's a huge, historic story and must be addressed with historic attention, seriousness and care. If it's just a product of your fevered alternate universe, you deserve whatever you get.

Hopefully we'll soon know, once and for all, what actually happened. If anything.
.

It is worse than anyone realizes.

 

[Ambivalent1]

The Right Wing had better be right about this "Deep State" stuff.

Like they were right about Iraq.

Like they were right about the bush tax cuts creating a fantastic economy just before the recession.

Like they were right about Donald Trump‘s tax cuts for billionaires.

Like they were right about the Clinton foundation.

Like they were right about Obama being born in Kenya.

I’m still trying to find something they were actually right about.

They call themselves the right constantly and yet they seem to do nothing but be wrong.

Funny, me pointing that out, makes me right.

You're a legend in your own mind kid.