Roudy
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Actually all Jews did live in Judeah during Jesus' Time. The diaspora began after that. Another completely ignorant comment.Our folklore is our folklore. We respect other people's folklore and expect them to respect ours, instead of stealing most or all of it, and then telling us that what is our stories or history, really never was as it is written and understood by Jews for the past 3800 years.I do question your sources, which is not the Bible, but some interpretation of it by who knows who.When posting anything, please give links to your sources.The philistines are an extinct people and they were Greek anyhow, not Arabs or Semitic.I was not going to start a new thread on the forums, but this one seems to be a must.
I know that there are many well meaning people on these threads who want to see an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, like Coyote and many others. And then, there are those who are very ill meaning and do nothing but bash Israel and Jews over everything.
I believe that any and all, need to be reminded that this is Jewish land. It has been Jewish land for over 3000 years, and never contested by any one of its invaders and conquerors until the "dreadful day" when the Jews assumed that they could legally regain sovereignty over it and the Balfour Declaration happened and the Mandate for Palestine was to give the Jews their ancient homeland back.
We all know what has happened since 1920.
But what many do not know and do not seem to be aware of is what the people who have been calling themselves Palestinians since 1964 have been doing to ancient places they should have been claiming as their own, for after all, do they not say that they have been on the land as the Ancient Palestinians for the past 5000, no - 6000, no - 10000 years?
Aren't these ancient places and artifacts in Jerusalem and in Judea and Samaria part of the Palestinian History? Then why are they destroying any and all of it?
This is what has been going on for decades. Why are the "Palestinians" destroying their alleged history?
Palestinians destroying ancient Herodian and Hashmonean antiquities - literally bulldozing Jewish history ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News
We've discussed the The Temple Mount Sifting Project before:
The Temple Mount Sifting Project (formerly known as the Temple Mount Salvage Operation) is an Israeli archaeological project begun in 2005 dedicated to recovering archaeological artifacts from 400 truckloads of topsoil removed from the Temple Mount by the Waqf during the construction of the underground el-Marwani Mosque from 1996 to 1999.[1] The project is under the academic auspices of Bar Ilan University and until 2017 was funded by the Ir David Foundation and Israel Exploration Society.The destruction of so many tons of property from the Temple Mount was the biggest archaeological crime in history.
The project webpage is now warning of other large-scale destruction of Jewish history by Palestinians, ISIS-style.
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In full view of people passing on the highway 90, Palestinians are using bulldozers and other heavy equipment to destroy Second Temple-era Jewish settlements in order to build a new village.
This is all happening in Area B, under Palestinian administrative control.
Moreover, it looks like Palestinian antiquities thieves are working in the area at night to steal whatever ancient artifacts they can find to sell on the market.
The article notes that similar destruction has recently begun in the area of the Hasmonean palaces in Jericho.
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Give Area C and the former Jewish Quarter and the Temple Mount to the invading Arabs who are now calling themselves the ancient inhabitants of the land, who should be protecting their ancient history and making tourism out of it?
Which one of you would dare do so?
Does the UN have any say on the Arabs destroying other people's ancient places?
Where has UNESCO been all of this time? What is their position about the endless destruction of Jewish History? Have they not complained about ISIS destroying antiquity?
Oh, wait......they have been giving Palestinian Status to Jewish places like the Cave of the Patriarchs and Rachel's Tomb, and many other places.
I guess if the UN is in on it, then there is no hope for the Jewish people to ever get their ancient lands back, much less be allowed to freely visit those places, which is true when it comes to the Cave and the Tombs, etc, where Jews can only visit if they have a military escort.
Questions:
How can peace be achieved with the PA, the alleged partner for Peace, when it is the PA itself which allows such destruction to happen?
How can peace be achieved when destroying Israel is still in the Hamas and PLO, and Fatah charters and is taught on a daily basis to all Arabs who live in Gaza and areas A and B, and C and even in Israel?
What in the world is going to be done about the endless destruction and the want to destroy all which is Jewish on the Land of Israel, which does include all of Judea and Samaria which is the land of the Jewish People.
(I will not eve speculate what may already have been done to Jewish history in Jordan and Gaza )
DO the Arabs have the right to destroy any and all Jewish History they find and never have to answer to the rest of the world, much less to the Jewish People?
Jews were never the sole inhabitants of Palestine. Arab tribes settled in Samaria in 700 BC. Jordan was never Jewish and Gaza belonged to the Philistines.
They were living in the coastal region long before the Hebrews emerged from the North Coast Canaanites..
Bedouins have to have a relationship with settled communities to survive. Its symbiotic,. The Hebrews moved into the hill country because they had lost that and they needed the townies who provided grain, textiles and tools to the bedu in exchange for meat, hides, salt etc
Endless picking and choosing of parts of history in order to minimize the presence of the Israelites/Jews in the area.
Whether they were conquered, or became the conquerors, they were there, and the Arabs who are calling themselves Palestinians today......were not.
The Israelites/Jews had a history with the Philistines, first as conquered, then as conquerors. The Philistines (the word means Invaders) disappeared from the pages of history, the Israelites/Jews did not.
And the Jews continued to have a history with other peoples who came through the area and conquered it, be it the Greeks, the Assyrians, the Romans, the Byzantine, the Kurdish Muslims, or the Arab Muslims in the 7th Century. But the Jews were always there, in Judea, Israel, Gaza, TransJordan.
That history cannot be changed to make others give the invading Arab Muslims a right they do not have over ALL the land considered to be the Jewish Homeland.
The British gave the newly arrived Hashemite Arab tribe 78% of land they had no right to. It was part of the Mandate for Palestine, Israel, part of the Jewish Homeland. It is now Jordan.
I will not repeat the information given above.
The Mandate for Palestine, aka Israel, was sabotaged by the British and the Muslims, and the Jews ended up with a sliver of their homeland to build up their future state. Something which did not happen to the other three Mandates. Why? Because all the governments of Iraq, Lebanon and Syria were going to be Muslim.
Muslims cannot have any non Muslim be sovereign of any land once conquered by Muslims, which is why no Arabs ever complained when the Ottomans had control of the area for some 800 years, or the Hashemites took control of TransJordan in 1925, or later took control of Judea, Samaria and the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967.
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The Philistines are referred to as the descendants of the Casluchim in Genesis 10:14 and Exodus 13:17. Known as a seafaring nation, the Philistines were a non-Semitic people who left Crete and arrived in Canaan at the beginning of the 12th century B.C.E. The Philistines inhabited the Mediterranean coast of Canaan during the period of the Book of Judges. They founded five principalities - Gaza, Asheklon, Ashdod, Ekron, and Gath.
Their highly-developed weapons brought a great threat to the Israelites. During the Exodus from Egypt, the Israelites purposely took a southern route to circumvent them. The Philistines often battled against the Israelites. The first King of Israel, Saul, temporarily weakened them. Later, a little-known shepherd by the name of David (later second King of Israel) defeated them after his battle with the large Philistine by the name of Goliath. The Philistines were reduced to mainly commercial ventures rather than military ventures. Throughout the Books of Kings, different Jewish leaders fought the nation until the Assyrians completely defeated them. The Philistines then assimilated into the surrounding cultures and ceased to exist as a separate nation.
The name Palestine originates from the Philistine inhabitance of the land of Judea. After the Romans conquered the region in the second century C.E., the Romans used the term Palestinia to refer to the region in an attempt to minimize Jewish attachment to the land. The Arabic use of the term Filastin is from this Latin root.
Arabs were in Palestine from the time of Abraham.. Abraham had an Arab wife named Keturah and Moses had an Arab wife named Zipporah. .. long before Islam. The Arabs didn't leave ..
Further, most Jews din't live in Palestine by the time of Christ.. They lived in Damascus, Aleppo, Alexandria, Persia, Elephantine Island, Rome and all around the Mediterrean.
The Jewish people do not have a unique claim to Palestine.. Most arrived after1880 from Europe, Russia, Poland etc.
They have no right to take land that belonged to the indigneous people for 2000 years and force them out.
What? The Bible? Even Ezra writes about Arabs in Jerusalem when they returned from the Babylonian exile. You question the Bible about the wives of Moses and Abraham? Or the history of Sargon 2 about the four Arab tribes he settled in Samaria in 738 BC?
In Genesis 21:1, we learn that Abraham remarried three years after the death of Sarah. Once his son Isaac was married off, Abraham, at age 140, married Keturah, who bore him six children.
But who exactly was Keturah and why did Abraham marry her? What pushed him to have six more children so late in life?
Rashi tells us that Keturah was one and the same as Hagar, whom Abraham had married more than 50 years prior (when he was 85 years of age), and who bore his firstborn, Ishmael.1
Hagar, or Keturah, was Egyptian, not Arab.
Abraham never was in Arabia, neither was Ishamel who also married an Egyptian, as some Muslim Arab folklore attempts to spread to its Muslim followers, or anyone else.
Do you actually believe Abraham was 140 years old.. Life expectancy was not long in the ME.. 75-80 was extreme old age.. Most men married before they were 20 and most girls before they were 16.
Jews have their folklore too.
But you are not here to respect anything about Jewish history and the Jewish people's rights to be sovereign over any part of their land. That is extremely clear from your never ending deflections to anything which is posed to you.
Whether you are Christian or Muslim, the lack of respect by both religions towards Judaism began at the foundation of either ideology, be it 2000 years ago, or 1300 years ago. Both were formed at the total disrespect, delegitimization and endless disregard for the truth, and each got started by the idea that either was superior to Judaism and therefore Jews should have followed either one, "Or Else".
You spill one debunkable idea after another, and never really answer points I or others have made. And never will.
Jews, Muslims and Christians lived side by side for more than a thousand years. . and the Arab Jews prospered.. You are are too keen to shift blame for the Holocaust on the Arabs, to justify what European Zionist have done.
Why do you think most Jews did not live in Palestine by the time of Christ?
