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The Right To Destroy Jewish History
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50 years or more of indoctrination via schools, media, etc. Too many know nothing of History, only revised history.
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To deny the Jewishness of Jesus is not only to negate the clear and unambiguous testimony of Scripture but to render as nonsense the entire salvation narrative.
Indeed, as Jesus himself told the Samaritan woman, God sent salvation to all of humanity through the Jewish people. No Jews, no Jesus. Though from the Christian perspective, Jews today reject the divinity of Jesus, as did their ancestorsāwhile from the Jewish perspective they have merely remained true to their covenant with Godāfollowers of Jesus cannot reject the Jews without being guilty of a serious, even fatal, heresy.
That heresy is a very old one, and it is called Marcionism. Marcion was a wealthy second-century Christian who, under the influence of Gnosticism, taught that the God of the New Testament was not the God of the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew god was, according to Marcion, a god of wrath; the Christian god was a god of love. These are two distinct deities, he said, and the Christian god is sovereign.
To achieve this, Marcion eliminated from the Christian canon Genesis, Exodus, and the Psalms. He also cleansed the Bible of Moses, King David, and the Prophet Isaiah, believed by Orthodox Christians to have foretold the coming of Jesus as Israelās messiah (Isaiah, Chapters 9 and 53). For readers of the Marcionite Bible, the God of the Christians was no longer the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but a reduced deity cobbled together from a rewritten portion of Lukeās Gospel, and ten of Paulās letters.
Marcionism was strongly condemned by the Church fathers, who defended the legitimacy and necessity of the Hebrew scriptures. In Marcionism, Christianity replaces Judaism; in Christian orthodoxy, Christianity fulfills Judaism. āDonāt misunderstand why I have comeāit isnāt to cancel the laws of Moses and the warnings of the prophets,ā said Jesus (Matthew 5:17). āNo, I came to fulfill them and to make them all come true.ā
This is a complex theological point, one on which Christians do not fully agree. The traditional Christian understandingāone still held by Orthodox Christianity todayāis that the Church became the new Israel by virtue of receiving the Jewish messiah, and therefore being grafted onto the Hebrew root stock (Romans 11:16ā24).
In modern times, in part out of admirable repentance from forced conversions, Catholicism has moved away from this āreplacementā theology, and now teaches that Jews do not need to accept Jesus as the messiah to be saved. In 2015, the Vatican even strangely (in light of Scriptureāespecially Paulās letter to the Romans) instructed Catholics to stop evangelizing Jews. Given the incredible diversity of Protestant belief, it is impossible to generalize in its case.
Nevertheless, what all authoritative Christian traditions share is an irrevocable, undeniable testimony that God chose the Jewish people to make Himself known to all of humanity, and that without Hebrew Scripture and tradition, the Christian faith would make no sense at all.
So why the controversy over the Mary movie? Why are so many people eager, even desperate, to deny Maryās Jewishness?
It is clear that partisans for the Palestinian side in the current war wish to do anything they can to delegitimize Israel and Judaism in order to gain credibility for their cause. They understand well that many American Christians, especially evangelicals, sympathize with the Israelis in part because they know their Bible. If they can sever Christianityās roots from Judaism in the Christian imagination, they reason, they can gain sympathy among followers of Jesus. But to claim the historical Mary as a āPalestinianāāa people and a concept that did not exist at the time of Jesusās birthāis a malicious anachronism.
The vast majority of American Christians believe in Israelās legitimate right to exist and defend itself. But too many of us deny, or discount, the hardships that Palestinian Christians suffer. Those of us who have traveled to places like Bethlehem are acutely aware of them. For example, Palestinian drivers in the West Bank face difficulties from roadblocks and checkpoints, and the expansion of Israeli settlements is a constant source of friction.
The question is why they are suffering. Were it not for the ever-present and all-too-real threat of Palestinian Islamic terrorism against Israelis, the security arrangements that make daily life so onerous would not exist.
Palestinian Christians suffer in other ways from the actions of the Islamic majority. It is little known by American Christians that Bethlehem was over 80 percent Christian until the Oslo Accords, which awarded control of the town to the Palestinian Authority in 1995. Today only 12 percent of the townās population is Christian.
The exodus can be attributed to several reasons, including the difficulty of conducting daily life under a de facto state of siege. Again, though, if not for the rash of Islamic suicide bombings in Israel in the 1990s and early 2000sāsome of which originated in Palestinian-controlled Bethlehemāconditions in Jesusās birthplace for its residents would be far more livable.
Arab Christians living in Israelāabout two percent of the population, compared to the 18 percent of the population that is Muslimāenjoy far more safety and liberty than their counterparts living under Islamic rule. But it is hard for Palestinian Christians to be honest about what they experience in this regard. In the year 2000, I spoke to two Palestinian Christian men in East Jerusalem who told me that they hate the Israelis, but they fear Hamas, which has never been shy about its contempt for Christians, and its view that they deserve second-class status as dhimmisin a rightly ordered society. The men begged me not to write about it, visibly frightened for their lives.
On that same press trip, an American-born Catholic cleric serving a Palestinian parish who walked with me to Bethlehem, and expressed his love for his congregation, shared with me his frustration that thenāPA leader Yasser Arafatās cronies exploited Christians and others by robbing them blind, and then convincing them that all their problems are the fault of the Jews.
To sum up: Life is difficult for Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim, and it is understandable that American Christians pity them. But the fanatical Jew-hating mentality prevalent among Palestinians, and the resulting Islamist terrorism against Israeli civilians, severely compromiseāto put it mildlyāthe victim narrative that has gained so much currency in progressive U.S. church circles.
As troubling as these propaganda victories are, it is far more concerning, at least to me as a political conservative and theologically orthodox Christian, that Christian antisemites of the American far right have taken up the cause of de-Judaizing Christianity as part of their general campaign against Jews.
(full article online)
www.thefp.com
Indeed, as Jesus himself told the Samaritan woman, God sent salvation to all of humanity through the Jewish people. No Jews, no Jesus. Though from the Christian perspective, Jews today reject the divinity of Jesus, as did their ancestorsāwhile from the Jewish perspective they have merely remained true to their covenant with Godāfollowers of Jesus cannot reject the Jews without being guilty of a serious, even fatal, heresy.
That heresy is a very old one, and it is called Marcionism. Marcion was a wealthy second-century Christian who, under the influence of Gnosticism, taught that the God of the New Testament was not the God of the Hebrew Bible. The Hebrew god was, according to Marcion, a god of wrath; the Christian god was a god of love. These are two distinct deities, he said, and the Christian god is sovereign.
To achieve this, Marcion eliminated from the Christian canon Genesis, Exodus, and the Psalms. He also cleansed the Bible of Moses, King David, and the Prophet Isaiah, believed by Orthodox Christians to have foretold the coming of Jesus as Israelās messiah (Isaiah, Chapters 9 and 53). For readers of the Marcionite Bible, the God of the Christians was no longer the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but a reduced deity cobbled together from a rewritten portion of Lukeās Gospel, and ten of Paulās letters.
Marcionism was strongly condemned by the Church fathers, who defended the legitimacy and necessity of the Hebrew scriptures. In Marcionism, Christianity replaces Judaism; in Christian orthodoxy, Christianity fulfills Judaism. āDonāt misunderstand why I have comeāit isnāt to cancel the laws of Moses and the warnings of the prophets,ā said Jesus (Matthew 5:17). āNo, I came to fulfill them and to make them all come true.ā
This is a complex theological point, one on which Christians do not fully agree. The traditional Christian understandingāone still held by Orthodox Christianity todayāis that the Church became the new Israel by virtue of receiving the Jewish messiah, and therefore being grafted onto the Hebrew root stock (Romans 11:16ā24).
In modern times, in part out of admirable repentance from forced conversions, Catholicism has moved away from this āreplacementā theology, and now teaches that Jews do not need to accept Jesus as the messiah to be saved. In 2015, the Vatican even strangely (in light of Scriptureāespecially Paulās letter to the Romans) instructed Catholics to stop evangelizing Jews. Given the incredible diversity of Protestant belief, it is impossible to generalize in its case.
Nevertheless, what all authoritative Christian traditions share is an irrevocable, undeniable testimony that God chose the Jewish people to make Himself known to all of humanity, and that without Hebrew Scripture and tradition, the Christian faith would make no sense at all.
So why the controversy over the Mary movie? Why are so many people eager, even desperate, to deny Maryās Jewishness?
It is clear that partisans for the Palestinian side in the current war wish to do anything they can to delegitimize Israel and Judaism in order to gain credibility for their cause. They understand well that many American Christians, especially evangelicals, sympathize with the Israelis in part because they know their Bible. If they can sever Christianityās roots from Judaism in the Christian imagination, they reason, they can gain sympathy among followers of Jesus. But to claim the historical Mary as a āPalestinianāāa people and a concept that did not exist at the time of Jesusās birthāis a malicious anachronism.
The vast majority of American Christians believe in Israelās legitimate right to exist and defend itself. But too many of us deny, or discount, the hardships that Palestinian Christians suffer. Those of us who have traveled to places like Bethlehem are acutely aware of them. For example, Palestinian drivers in the West Bank face difficulties from roadblocks and checkpoints, and the expansion of Israeli settlements is a constant source of friction.
The question is why they are suffering. Were it not for the ever-present and all-too-real threat of Palestinian Islamic terrorism against Israelis, the security arrangements that make daily life so onerous would not exist.
Palestinian Christians suffer in other ways from the actions of the Islamic majority. It is little known by American Christians that Bethlehem was over 80 percent Christian until the Oslo Accords, which awarded control of the town to the Palestinian Authority in 1995. Today only 12 percent of the townās population is Christian.
The exodus can be attributed to several reasons, including the difficulty of conducting daily life under a de facto state of siege. Again, though, if not for the rash of Islamic suicide bombings in Israel in the 1990s and early 2000sāsome of which originated in Palestinian-controlled Bethlehemāconditions in Jesusās birthplace for its residents would be far more livable.
Arab Christians living in Israelāabout two percent of the population, compared to the 18 percent of the population that is Muslimāenjoy far more safety and liberty than their counterparts living under Islamic rule. But it is hard for Palestinian Christians to be honest about what they experience in this regard. In the year 2000, I spoke to two Palestinian Christian men in East Jerusalem who told me that they hate the Israelis, but they fear Hamas, which has never been shy about its contempt for Christians, and its view that they deserve second-class status as dhimmisin a rightly ordered society. The men begged me not to write about it, visibly frightened for their lives.
On that same press trip, an American-born Catholic cleric serving a Palestinian parish who walked with me to Bethlehem, and expressed his love for his congregation, shared with me his frustration that thenāPA leader Yasser Arafatās cronies exploited Christians and others by robbing them blind, and then convincing them that all their problems are the fault of the Jews.
To sum up: Life is difficult for Palestinians, both Christian and Muslim, and it is understandable that American Christians pity them. But the fanatical Jew-hating mentality prevalent among Palestinians, and the resulting Islamist terrorism against Israeli civilians, severely compromiseāto put it mildlyāthe victim narrative that has gained so much currency in progressive U.S. church circles.
As troubling as these propaganda victories are, it is far more concerning, at least to me as a political conservative and theologically orthodox Christian, that Christian antisemites of the American far right have taken up the cause of de-Judaizing Christianity as part of their general campaign against Jews.
(full article online)
On Mary and the Mob
The backlash to the new Netflix film is about something much deeper: the attempt to de-Judaize Christianity.
www.thefp.com
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Of course, Jews had been making wine in the region way before the 19th century. Archaeologists have unearthed winepresses and equipment from the First Temple period. Wine is mentioned prominently in the Hebrew scriptures and Talmud.
The New York Times itself in 2015 wrote about how Israelis were using ancient grape DNA to recreate wines as they were in Biblical times.
That article also mentions that some Israeli wineries purchase grapes from Palestinian Arab vineyards but everything must be done secretly - not only because they are selling to Jews but because there would be backlash from Muslims who don't want to see any alcohol sold in "Palestine." (There are lots of products of vineyards that Muslims can consume, like grape leaves and grapes themselves.)
It also noted that winemaking was banned by Muslim authorities in Palestine for many centuries, with the Ottoman Empire only allowing the Christian and Jewish communities to restart it in the 19th century.
It is more than curious that an article that talks about the history of winemaking in the region excludes Jews as well as the Muslim antipathy towards wine.
It is also hard not to notice that while the 2015 article about Jews making wine takes pains to also speak to Palestinians who have a tiny wine industry in comparison, this article about a Palestinian winemaker is not at all keen on evenhandedness.
Not to mention that the original Christians in the Holy Land were converts from Judaism.
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While I was researching this, I found an interesting example of fake news from the mid-1800s.
There are a number of articles from then arguing whether King David or Jesus drank fermented or unfermented Palestinian wine.
At that time a temperance movement arose attempting to ban all alcoholic beverages, and the Christians behind it tried to claim that the wine mentioned in the Bible was actually unfermented grape juice, which is absurd - there are plenty of Biblical verses that mention or allude to wine's intoxicating effects. (One of the leaders of the temperance movement was Dr. Thomas Welch, who founded Welch's Grape Juice specifically to make a pasteurized product that does not ferment over time.)
(full article online )
elderofziyon.blogspot.com
The New York Times itself in 2015 wrote about how Israelis were using ancient grape DNA to recreate wines as they were in Biblical times.
That article also mentions that some Israeli wineries purchase grapes from Palestinian Arab vineyards but everything must be done secretly - not only because they are selling to Jews but because there would be backlash from Muslims who don't want to see any alcohol sold in "Palestine." (There are lots of products of vineyards that Muslims can consume, like grape leaves and grapes themselves.)
It also noted that winemaking was banned by Muslim authorities in Palestine for many centuries, with the Ottoman Empire only allowing the Christian and Jewish communities to restart it in the 19th century.
It is more than curious that an article that talks about the history of winemaking in the region excludes Jews as well as the Muslim antipathy towards wine.
It is also hard not to notice that while the 2015 article about Jews making wine takes pains to also speak to Palestinians who have a tiny wine industry in comparison, this article about a Palestinian winemaker is not at all keen on evenhandedness.
Not to mention that the original Christians in the Holy Land were converts from Judaism.
_______
While I was researching this, I found an interesting example of fake news from the mid-1800s.
There are a number of articles from then arguing whether King David or Jesus drank fermented or unfermented Palestinian wine.
At that time a temperance movement arose attempting to ban all alcoholic beverages, and the Christians behind it tried to claim that the wine mentioned in the Bible was actually unfermented grape juice, which is absurd - there are plenty of Biblical verses that mention or allude to wine's intoxicating effects. (One of the leaders of the temperance movement was Dr. Thomas Welch, who founded Welch's Grape Juice specifically to make a pasteurized product that does not ferment over time.)
(full article online )
The New York Times erases Jewish history from article about wines from Palestine
Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.
elderofziyon.blogspot.com
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I don't know what cookbook she was reading, because you can read the cookbook online, and it doesn't appear to have a single recipe or mention of Levantine food. No hummus, no falafel, no chickpeas.
The entire point of the cookbook was to adapt European recipes to a new land where the available ingredients are different, and traditional ingredients are expensive. Vegetable oil replaces butter, and vegetarian dishes replace meat, and local spices are introduced to flavor known dishes. Ketchup becomes a staple in cooking. How to cook with electricity is a significant topic. None of this is taken from Palestinian cuisine - rather, it is simply adapting cooking techniques to a new environment and new ingredients, like eggplant.
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According to the haters, apparently, vegetarian chopped liver made of eggplants is somehow Palestinian. And so are sandwiches, which take up a large final chapter.
Notice also that the title of the book mentioning "Palestine," which seems to be the main point of consternation for Palestinian Arabs and those who fetishize them, does not carry over to the Hebrew and German titles which recognize that "Palestine" was historically simply the English translation of "Eretz Yisrael."
This video is another example of ascribing to Jews the worst possible motivations in every conceivable vector. The cookbook doesn't say anything negative about Arabs, but the obsession with interpreting Jews creating their own cuisine based on existing Levantine and other Arab dishes as "theft" and "colonialism" and "cultural genocide" proves that the only bigotry here is against Jews, not Arabs.
(full article online)
elderofziyon.blogspot.com
The entire point of the cookbook was to adapt European recipes to a new land where the available ingredients are different, and traditional ingredients are expensive. Vegetable oil replaces butter, and vegetarian dishes replace meat, and local spices are introduced to flavor known dishes. Ketchup becomes a staple in cooking. How to cook with electricity is a significant topic. None of this is taken from Palestinian cuisine - rather, it is simply adapting cooking techniques to a new environment and new ingredients, like eggplant.
----
According to the haters, apparently, vegetarian chopped liver made of eggplants is somehow Palestinian. And so are sandwiches, which take up a large final chapter.
Notice also that the title of the book mentioning "Palestine," which seems to be the main point of consternation for Palestinian Arabs and those who fetishize them, does not carry over to the Hebrew and German titles which recognize that "Palestine" was historically simply the English translation of "Eretz Yisrael."
This video is another example of ascribing to Jews the worst possible motivations in every conceivable vector. The cookbook doesn't say anything negative about Arabs, but the obsession with interpreting Jews creating their own cuisine based on existing Levantine and other Arab dishes as "theft" and "colonialism" and "cultural genocide" proves that the only bigotry here is against Jews, not Arabs.
(full article online)
A 1936 Zionist cookbook threatens Palestinian culture according to the morons at @Mondoweiss
Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.
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I don't know what cookbook she was reading, because you can read the cookbook online, and it doesn't appear to have a single recipe or mention of Levantine food. No hummus, no falafel, no chickpeas.
The entire point of the cookbook was to adapt European recipes to a new land where the available ingredients are different, and traditional ingredients are expensive. Vegetable oil replaces butter, and vegetarian dishes replace meat, and local spices are introduced to flavor known dishes. Ketchup becomes a staple in cooking. How to cook with electricity is a significant topic. None of this is taken from Palestinian cuisine - rather, it is simply adapting cooking techniques to a new environment and new ingredients, like eggplant.
----
According to the haters, apparently, vegetarian chopped liver made of eggplants is somehow Palestinian. And so are sandwiches, which take up a large final chapter.
Notice also that the title of the book mentioning "Palestine," which seems to be the main point of consternation for Palestinian Arabs and those who fetishize them, does not carry over to the Hebrew and German titles which recognize that "Palestine" was historically simply the English translation of "Eretz Yisrael."
This video is another example of ascribing to Jews the worst possible motivations in every conceivable vector. The cookbook doesn't say anything negative about Arabs, but the obsession with interpreting Jews creating their own cuisine based on existing Levantine and other Arab dishes as "theft" and "colonialism" and "cultural genocide" proves that the only bigotry here is against Jews, not Arabs.
(full article online)
A 1936 Zionist cookbook threatens Palestinian culture according to the morons at @Mondoweiss
Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.
The left has turned against the Jews.
Will the Jews return the favor?
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[ Mordechai and Esther are now Palestinians? Arabs, not Jews? LOL]
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Oh no, you've got it all wrong. There never was a Jewish temple. Soloman (or the Prophet Sulayman) actually built the Al Aqsa. See they were all Muslims centuries before Islam. Hehe.
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Islam itself is based on the lie that Abraham was told to sacrifice Ishmael, and not Issac.Oh no, you've got it all wrong. There never was a Jewish temple. Soloman (or the Prophet Sulayman) actually built the Al Aqsa. See they were all Muslims centuries before Islam. Hehe.
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And in the fashion that the liberals have picked up on, they self project saying that Judaism is the lie.
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