The Right To Destroy Jewish History

[Sixties Fan]

Go back and read your posts.

I am not wasting my time with you.

You alleged that "I" lied about Jenin.

What was the lie?

 

[surada]

Stuck on numbers. They had the right to be there, no matter what the "numbers" were.

They were a tiny minority for 2000 years. Other people lived there too.

 

[Sixties Fan]

They were a tiny minority for 2000 years. Other people lived there too.

Nothing to do with this thread.

 

[surada]

"Right of return"! You bring up an outstanding point. Why is it that no Arab country will grant their Palestinians a "right of return"?

Right of Return is about Palestinians being permitted to return to their ancestral homes. They've been in Palestine since Abraham.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Right of Return is about Palestinians being permitted to return to their ancestral homes. They've been in Palestine since Abraham.

Stop with your antisemitic rants.

Answer your allegation while answering post # 1 of this thread:


Post 2188

" You lied about Jenin too."

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[rylah]

PA Appropriates Another Israeli Heritage Site in Samaria, Causing Mass Damage to Archaeology​

The Palestinian Authority (PA) has commandeered another archaeological site in Samaria and has converted it into a “Palestinian Heritage Site,” as a monitoring organization warns of an irreversible loss of Israeli history and culture.

The archaeological site of Sheikh Sha’ala, located in Area A under full PA control in Samaria, has recently been redecorated with a huge mast flying a PLO flag.

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Farmers prepared agricultural plots and a summer house was built, without regard to the archaeological findings that were irreversibly damaged.

The meaning of the name “Sheikh Sha’ala” in Arabic is owner or lord of the flame, implying that this is the biblical site at which fire came down and burned the messengers of Ahaziah king of Israel who came to Elijah the prophet, as described in the Book of Kings II.

The site overlooks all of ancient Samaria, the capital of the kings of Israel during the First Temple period.

The site has an ancient structure with a Greek inscription from the 4th century CE, the Byzantine period in the Land of Israel, which tells of the magnificent building erected on the site in memory of Elijah the Prophet. “Help Stephen … who built this wonderful house for Elijah the prophet,” the dedication reads.

The floor of the building dates to the 6th century CE. The building incorporates Crusader and Muslim motifs. The building was used in the Byzantine period through the Crusader period and was then abandoned.

Shomrim Al Hanetzach (Preserving Eternity), a watchdog group dedicated to protecting Israel’s archaeological treasures, discovered recently the significant damage to the ancient remains at the site. In addition to the summer house and agricultural plots that were prepared with heavy machines, vandals scrawled graffiti on the Byzantine-era dedication plaque affixed at the site by the builder of the house in honor of Elijah.

The PA has announced it has further plans for development at the site.

The PA damaging of heritage sites in Judea and Samaria is not new. In recent years, huge PLO flags have been hoisted at several heritage sites, severely damaging the archaeological remains.

In November 2020, the PA inaugurated a “Palestinian” tourist complex in the town of Sebastia in Samaria, the historic capital of the biblical Kingdom of Israel. A flagpole with the PLO flag was affixed to the ancient stones, under the auspices of UNESCO and the Belgian government, without any archaeological and scientific supervision.

More recently, unknown individuals from the PA have again caused damage to the Biblical-era site of Yehoshua ben Nun’s Altar on Mount Ebal.

In January, Shomrim Al Hanetzach discovered that Arabs operating an illegal factory in Beit Fajar in Gush Etzion took about two kilometers from a Second Temple period aqueduct and ground it into gravel for construction.

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PA Appropriates Another Israeli Heritage Site in Samaria, Causing Mass Damage to Archaeology

The archaeological site of Sheikh Sha’ala, located in Area A under full PA control in Samaria, has recently been redecorated with a huge mast flying a PLO flag.

www.jewishpress.com

 

[Sixties Fan]

Mira Sidawi is an actress, writer and director born in the refugee camp of Burj al-Barajneh in Lebanon to a Palestinian family. She regularly participates in BBC Arabic’s women’s magazine “Dunyana”, where she is presented as coming from “Palestine” despite the instructions on the use of that term in the BBC Academy’s style guide on Israel and the Palestinians (since May 2021 online access to the guide is restricted to BBC personnel only; latest publicly visible edition is from February 2021).

BBC caption reads: “Mira Sidawi, Palestine”
Although none of the contributors of “Dunyana” officially bears the title “host”, in many episodes Sidawi is the person opening the program and letting the viewers know that “our time is up” when it concludes. Hence in practice she is the show’s host in these cases and should be regarded as such in relation to the BBC’s impartiality standards.

In one episode with the theme of traditional Middle Eastern food which was originally broadcast in January 2022, Sidawi said the following: [emphasis in bold added]

Sidawi: “The Palestinian cuisine in particular, it also engages in resistance, like the Palestinian people as a whole. Because it is a cuisine subject to domination, and to- they try-“

Guest: “correct, correct”

Sidawi: “Israel tries to assume domination over the Palestinian cuisine, with a view that- I mean, it is funny that usually the occupation leaves a mark on the peoples. I mean, it leaves…the French leave their mark on the food, in different [parts of] the world. The occupier, I mean. Israel does not leave any mark of its own, because it does not have any[mark to leave], it is compelled to take from the original peoples.”



(video)


As short as this segment is, Sidawi’s claims – especially her assertion that Israel “does not have any [mark to leave]” – illustrate a widespread Arab nationalist perception of Jews in Israel also found among BBC Arabic staff.

Sidawi’s attempt to deny the existence of Israeli food so matter-of-factly (in all likelihood, without having set a foot in Israel in her life) should be viewed within the framework of an ongoing anti-Zionist campaign that is several years old. Its supporters often attribute Israel’s culinary landscape in its entirety to an imaginary Palestinian arcadia in which Shakshuka, Sabich, Hummus and Falafel with Sauerkraut as an add-on were commonly consumed long before the emergence of Zionism. Ostensibly copyrighted by generations of peaceful Arab villagers based on their inalienable indigenous rights, all these dishes were supposedly then violently appropriated by Israel.

Secondly, it comes in a broader context of denying all aspects of Jewish indigeneity in the Land of Israel, with BBC Arabic having engaged in such denial numerous times in the near past. Three notable examples: unquestioningly depicting the location of the Jerusalem Temple until 70 AD as something “the Jews claim”; misleadingly portraying a tiny faction of Ashkenazi, anti-Zionist Haredim from West Jerusalem as the representatives of “Palestine” in a program about “Jews of the Arab Mashreq”; and anachronistically labeling the two major population groups in Mandatory Palestine as “Jews” and “Palestinians” even though Jews and Arabs alike were both considered Palestinian at the time. The latter false nomenclature was even backed by BBC complaints director Richard Hutt in a March 2021 letter to CAMERA Arabic, under the pretext it is not “materially misleading” audiences.

BBC Arabic presents the historically well–establishedlocation of the Jerusalem Temple as something “the Jews claim”. The English version of the same video stops short of showing this frame and is thus shorter by a couple of seconds.

However, Sidawi stands out even against this backdrop. By comparing Israel to France and arguing that unlike others, Israeli Jews have nothing to contribute to the local cuisine of the place they “occupy”, she is taking one further step down the path of singling them out from other nations. To her, not only are Israel’s Jews not native in Palestine, they hardly belong anywhere else either and hence have no mark of their own to leave even as they colonise a land that is not theirs (such as, say, the French in Vietnam, Louisiana or elsewhere).

The practice of declaring every Palestinian cultural field as “original”, “authentic” and “legitimately owned” – in contrast to the respective “artificial”, “hijacked” or “plundered” Israeli one – carries disturbing echoes of the antisemitic stereotype whereby the Jew is incapable of creating anything authentic and is hence doomed to steal, forge and mimic the works of creative others and thus destroy them and their culture.

BBC Arabic host politicises Middle Eastern food

A post by CAMERA Arabic Mira Sidawi is an actress, writer and director born in the refugee camp of Burj al-Barajneh in Lebanon to a Palestinian family. She r

camera-uk.org

 

[surada]

Mira Sidawi is an actress, writer and director born in the refugee camp of Burj al-Barajneh in Lebanon to a Palestinian family. She regularly participates in BBC Arabic’s women’s magazine “Dunyana”, where she is presented as coming from “Palestine” despite the instructions on the use of that term in the BBC Academy’s style guide on Israel and the Palestinians (since May 2021 online access to the guide is restricted to BBC personnel only; latest publicly visible edition is from February 2021).

BBC caption reads: “Mira Sidawi, Palestine”
Although none of the contributors of “Dunyana” officially bears the title “host”, in many episodes Sidawi is the person opening the program and letting the viewers know that “our time is up” when it concludes. Hence in practice she is the show’s host in these cases and should be regarded as such in relation to the BBC’s impartiality standards.

In one episode with the theme of traditional Middle Eastern food which was originally broadcast in January 2022, Sidawi said the following: [emphasis in bold added]

Sidawi: “The Palestinian cuisine in particular, it also engages in resistance, like the Palestinian people as a whole. Because it is a cuisine subject to domination, and to- they try-“

Guest: “correct, correct”

Sidawi: “Israel tries to assume domination over the Palestinian cuisine, with a view that- I mean, it is funny that usually the occupation leaves a mark on the peoples. I mean, it leaves…the French leave their mark on the food, in different [parts of] the world. The occupier, I mean. Israel does not leave any mark of its own, because it does not have any[mark to leave], it is compelled to take from the original peoples.”



(video)


As short as this segment is, Sidawi’s claims – especially her assertion that Israel “does not have any [mark to leave]” – illustrate a widespread Arab nationalist perception of Jews in Israel also found among BBC Arabic staff.

Sidawi’s attempt to deny the existence of Israeli food so matter-of-factly (in all likelihood, without having set a foot in Israel in her life) should be viewed within the framework of an ongoing anti-Zionist campaign that is several years old. Its supporters often attribute Israel’s culinary landscape in its entirety to an imaginary Palestinian arcadia in which Shakshuka, Sabich, Hummus and Falafel with Sauerkraut as an add-on were commonly consumed long before the emergence of Zionism. Ostensibly copyrighted by generations of peaceful Arab villagers based on their inalienable indigenous rights, all these dishes were supposedly then violently appropriated by Israel.

Secondly, it comes in a broader context of denying all aspects of Jewish indigeneity in the Land of Israel, with BBC Arabic having engaged in such denial numerous times in the near past. Three notable examples: unquestioningly depicting the location of the Jerusalem Temple until 70 AD as something “the Jews claim”; misleadingly portraying a tiny faction of Ashkenazi, anti-Zionist Haredim from West Jerusalem as the representatives of “Palestine” in a program about “Jews of the Arab Mashreq”; and anachronistically labeling the two major population groups in Mandatory Palestine as “Jews” and “Palestinians” even though Jews and Arabs alike were both considered Palestinian at the time. The latter false nomenclature was even backed by BBC complaints director Richard Hutt in a March 2021 letter to CAMERA Arabic, under the pretext it is not “materially misleading” audiences.

BBC Arabic presents the historically well–establishedlocation of the Jerusalem Temple as something “the Jews claim”. The English version of the same video stops short of showing this frame and is thus shorter by a couple of seconds.

However, Sidawi stands out even against this backdrop. By comparing Israel to France and arguing that unlike others, Israeli Jews have nothing to contribute to the local cuisine of the place they “occupy”, she is taking one further step down the path of singling them out from other nations. To her, not only are Israel’s Jews not native in Palestine, they hardly belong anywhere else either and hence have no mark of their own to leave even as they colonise a land that is not theirs (such as, say, the French in Vietnam, Louisiana or elsewhere).

The practice of declaring every Palestinian cultural field as “original”, “authentic” and “legitimately owned” – in contrast to the respective “artificial”, “hijacked” or “plundered” Israeli one – carries disturbing echoes of the antisemitic stereotype whereby the Jew is incapable of creating anything authentic and is hence doomed to steal, forge and mimic the works of creative others and thus destroy them and their culture.

BBC Arabic host politicises Middle Eastern food

A post by CAMERA Arabic Mira Sidawi is an actress, writer and director born in the refugee camp of Burj al-Barajneh in Lebanon to a Palestinian family. She r

camera-uk.org

I doubt European Jews ate Arab foods.

 

[rylah]

I doubt European Jews ate Arab foods.

Most Israelis are refugees from the Middle East and Africa,
where they've lived long before the Arab occupation.

Why do you frame them as Europeans?

 

[surada]

Most Israelis are refugees from the Middle East and Africa,
where they've lived long before the Arab occupation.

Why do you frame them as European?

Arabs have lived in the Middle East and Africa long before Abraham.

 

[rylah]

Arabs have lived in the Middle East and Africa long before Abraham.

Arabs are among the latest additions in Middle Easter and African history.
Simply put, they only appear in historic record another millennia later.

But does that address your insistence on racial framing of Jews?

 

[Sixties Fan]

He is asserting that UN General Assembly Resolution 181 is the legal basis for the State of Israel.

This is not remotely true.

First of all, General Assembly resolutions do not have the status of international law.

Secondly, you can read Resolution 181: it did not declare the Jewish and Arab states in Palestine. It recommended the Security Council implement the provisions listed there and suggested that if either or both states declare their independence then the UN should treat their application for membership with sympathy.

When the Arabs rejected the resolution, it became a dead letter. It is valuable in the sense that it showed that the UN overwhelmingly supported a Jewish state in Palestine, but it is has no legal weight.

Some people claim that Israel itself has used UNGA 181 as its legal basis in its Declaration of Independence. It is true that Israel's Declaration of Independence referred to the resolution as onne of many reasons supporting the right of the Jewish people to a state, but that is not the legal basis for it. The Declaration says:

In the year 5657 (1897), at the summons of the spiritual father of the Jewish State, Theodore Herzl, the First Zionist Congress convened and proclaimed the right of the Jewish people to national rebirth in its own country.

This right was recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, and re-affirmed in the Mandate of the League of Nations which, in particular, gave international sanction to the historic connection between the Jewish people and Eretz-Israel and to the right of the Jewish people to rebuild its National Home.

The catastrophe which recently befell the Jewish people - the massacre of millions of Jews in Europe - was another clear demonstration of the urgency of solving the problem of its homelessness by re-establishing in Eretz-Israel the Jewish State, which would open the gates of the homeland wide to every Jew and confer upon the Jewish people the status of a fully privileged member of the comity of nations.

Survivors of the Nazi holocaust in Europe, as well as Jews from other parts of the world, continued to migrate to Eretz-Israel, undaunted by difficulties, restrictions and dangers, and never ceased to assert their right to a life of dignity, freedom and honest toil in their national homeland.

In the Second World War, the Jewish community of this country contributed its full share to the struggle of the freedom- and peace-loving nations against the forces of Nazi wickedness and, by the blood of its soldiers and its war effort, gained the right to be reckoned among the peoples who founded the United Nations.

On the 29th November, 1947, the United Nations General Assembly passed a resolution calling for the establishment of a Jewish State in Eretz-Israel; the General Assembly required the inhabitants of Eretz-Israel to take such steps as were necessary on their part for the implementation of that resolution. This recognition by the United Nations of the right of the Jewish people to establish their State is irrevocable.

This right is the natural right of the Jewish people to be masters of their own fate, like all other nations, in their own sovereign State.

ACCORDINGLY WE, MEMBERS OF THE PEOPLE'S COUNCIL, REPRESENTATIVES OF THE JEWISH COMMUNITY OF ERETZ-ISRAEL AND OF THE ZIONIST MOVEMENT, ARE HERE ASSEMBLED ON THE DAY OF THE TERMINATION OF THE BRITISH MANDATE OVER ERETZ-ISRAEL AND, BY VIRTUE OF OUR NATURAL AND HISTORIC RIGHT AND ON THE STRENGTH OF THE RESOLUTION OF THE UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, HEREBY DECLARE THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JEWISH STATE IN ERETZ-ISRAEL, TO BE KNOWN AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL.

Resolution 181 was one of many pieces of evidence showing that Jews have the right to a state of their own. It was not the legal basis for that state.

So what is the legal basis for the State of Israel?

This 2004 legal analysis notes:

(full article online)

The UN Commission of Inquiry says Israel's legal basis is UNGA 181. That is not true at all. (But they are lying for an anti-Israel reason.)

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[Sixties Fan]

I am returning to this subject once again as I am of the firm conviction that repeating this truth is one of the most powerful weapons intellectually available to counteract the pro-Palestinian industry.

There is a popular but false narrative currently used to delegitimize the Jewish State of Israel. The narrative which through weight of global propaganda, ignorance and simple Jew hatred claims that Israel is an illegitimate colonial power and the geography ‘occupied’ by Israel belongs to the Palestinian Arabs legally, historically and religiously. Such revisionism is easily debunked and paradoxically exposes that supporting the Palestinian religious claims are Islamophobic.


Palestinians were never an ancient people, tribe, nation, race nor culture but are in fact a twentieth century construct created by those parties hostile to the Jewish State of Israel. Since time immemorial there has never been a war, battle or conflict fought by those identifying as indigenous Palestinian Arabs against any foreign or domestic invader in an effort to reclaim occupied Palestinian lands. History identifies the numerous conflicts fought by Jews against invaders such as the Babylonians, Greeks and Romans among others but alas finds no evidence of the Palestinians linked to conflict in efforts to reclaim their ‘indigenous’ land. Why? Because the Palestinians, like silicone breast implants, were an invention of the 1960’s.

There are no historic cemeteries nor artefacts proving a Palestinian existence. There has never been a Palestinian currency, emblem, historic leader nor language. No buildings standing or destroyed in the geography were constructed by those identifying as indigenous Palestinians. No itinerant scribe through the ages ever made reference to the Palestinians as a nation, sect, race, tribe or culture. The comprehensive Hope Simpson Report of October 1930 commissioned by HM Government not once referred to the Palestinians. Muslims, Mohammedans or Arabs but not Palestinians. The Palestinians had not yet been invented.

From a religious Islamic perspective, the Palestinian claim to Jerusalem rather like the Palestinian historical claim is also a false narrative. A narrative which actually defies the Quran and the words of Allah and the prophet, Mohammed. Neither the Palestinians nor Jerusalem are ever noted within the Quran. However, in numerous Suras, the Quran bestows, bequeaths and promises the Land of Milk and Honey or The Promised Land, today’s Israel, to the Children of Israel, the Jewish people. To support Palestinian claims to the land is to ignore, defy and mock the will of Allah and thus must be Islamophobic.

(full article online)

Jerusalem was never mentioned nor once referred to in the PLO Charter of 1964

In the original PLO Charter in 1964 there is no mention of nor claim to the city they now promote as being theirs by right since time immemorial

www.israelnationalnews.com

 

[surada]

Arabs are among the latest additions in Middle Easter and African history.
Simply put, they only appear in historic record another millennia later.

But does that address your insistence on racial framing of Jews?

The Akkadians, Amorites, Edomites and Midianites were all Arabs. Are Jews a race?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is very, very typical and mainstream Palestinian fantasy of history and the Israeli Jewish mindset. From Sawalief (Jordan):

Giving from those who do not own to those who do not deserve the Balfour Promise , the British Foreign Minister in 1917 AD sought to rid Britain of the evil, malice and deceit of the Jews by establishing a home for them away from Europe in Palestine if Britain would win the First World War on the Ottoman Empire.

When the war ended , Britain occupied Palestine and colonized it, and began deporting Jews to it from every country until they multiplied in it.

Britain armed them, so they formed armed terrorist gangs such as the Haganah, the Palmach, and the Irgun to frighten and terrorize the defenseless Palestinians of the land.

Gradually and with the malicious British methods that met with the evil Jewish methods, Britain succeeded in establishing a state for the Jews in 1948 on a part of the land of Palestine, including the Palestinian coastal plain, by transforming the Haganah gang and its armed terrorist sisters into a state they called “Israel”.

After that, Britain and its aides continued to invite Jews and foundlings from various care homes in Europe to immigrate to Palestine. Then, with theatrical wars, the emerging Jewish state was able to control all parts of Palestine after it killed those who killed and displaced those who were displaced from the Palestinian people.

Since then and until today, the invading Jews live in a state of constant war in which terror possesses them day and night, as each one of them expects to be killed tomorrow morning, either by being crushed, trampled, or stabbed, or by a heart attack for fear and panic or by stampede when they flee to the shelters in which they spend half their lives.

This is because those of the Palestinian people who remained in their land and homeland, Palestine, swear by God, the Most High, the Great, that the invaders will not be happy to live in their country, and they will not feel safe no matter how long it takes.

The settlers who fled to the shelters are nothing but evidence of the success of this great Palestinian section, which is now being passed down to the new generations.

Therefore, we advise Britain to search again for another safer homeland for her Jews.

A crazed - and typical - Arab history of Zionism

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