The Right To Bear Arms

[Rustic]

"Straw purchasers" must be the leftist meme du jour. Too bad for you that the Department of Justice AND the latest surveys of actual prison inmates don't agree.

Don't agree with what? Straw purchasing is exactly how guns get from low, lazy, and lax gun law states to places like Chicago. No gun "falls off a truck". All guns are initially purchased legally, then are stolen or "transferred" with no record of a background check.

na, You’re naïve

 

[The Derp]

Does this mean I'm responsible if someone murders me? Does this mean that all murder victims are collectively responsible for murders? Does this mean that I am responsible and at fault if my neighbor is murdered?

No, but if you're going to claim these instruments of murder are handled by "responsible gun owners", then "responsible gun owners" get the blame when the guns they had stolen from them get used in crimes. And as many as 600,000 guns a year are stolen from "responsible gun owners".

So if 600,000 stolen guns a year is what "responsible gun ownership" looks like, **** that bullshit.

There is no such thing as "responsible gun ownership", so let's stop pretending like gun owners are responsible people.

If what you say is true then every victim of murder, assault, robbery or theft is responsible for the crime against them and against others.

This is the mentality of gun owners; that these victims are to blame for not arming themselves.

 

[The Derp]

"Straw purchasers" must be the leftist meme du jour. Too bad for you that the Department of Justice AND the latest surveys of actual prison inmates don't agree.

Don't agree with what? Straw purchasing is exactly how guns get from low, lazy, and lax gun law states to places like Chicago. No gun "falls off a truck". All guns are initially purchased legally, then are stolen or "transferred" with no record of a background check.

na, You’re naïve

OR, you could be wrong. Since you seem to have a squishy definition of "responsibility", it would seem you're the one who needs to get your shit together and stop being a sucker. After all, you were suckered into owning a gun by gun companies who prey on the fear instilled in you by NRA propaganda, and now you're trying to future proof yourself against responsibility.

Otherwise, how are guns getting to Chicago? Magic? Unicorns? Teleportation devices?

 

[Contumacious]

It is NOT the responsibility of gun owners to police other gun owners..

Sounds to me like you don't think it's anyone's responsibility, which is irresponsible in and of itself. Someone has to be responsible for guns being stolen from gun owners. Since we're playing the game of victim blaming, I blame the gun owners for being irresponsible. Since you cannot responsibly manage your firearms, what the **** makes you think you can responsibly use them!?

Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" until they're not. It's a nice label you give yourself to make you feel more secure in your bullshit. But the fact is that most guns used in crimes are guns stolen from "responsible gun owners' like you. Now you're saying you shouldn't be responsible for your own gun getting stolen. What a load of crap.

If a gun owner misuses his/her weapon then its up to the police to arrest, indict and incarcerate the guilty individual..

So you don't think as a gun owner you bear a collective responsibility to safety manage and use guns?

WHAT THE ACTUAL ****????

Mr Twerp

I am 70 years old, I have never misused a firearm . I have never invaded my neighbors' rights. Th police has been designated to investigate and protect. I fail to see the reason the powers-that-be refuse to abolish the GUN FREE ZONES statute given the fact that the criminally insane have shown a predilection for our schools.

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[kaz]

I cherish my guns

OMG, every one of you idiot leftists claims to be a gun owner. Hilarious, Squanto.

Of course, you love guns because of the evil they emanate, which is how you know we shouldn't have them.

You'd scream like a school girl and faint if you ever touched a gun. Just like if your BFF said she was getting married and showed you her ring. Or if your boyfriend showed you a new tapestry he bought ...

 

[The Derp]

I am 70 years old, I have never misused a firearm . I have never invaded my neighbors' rights. Th police has been designated to investigate and protect. I fail to see the reason the powers-that-be refuse to abolish the GUN FREE ZONES statute given the fact that the criminally insane have shown a predilection for our schools..

So you're just completely ignoring the conversation we were having about responsibility. Just because you haven't misused a firearm (according to a standard you just made up on the spot) yet, doesn't mean you won't eventually, or that your gun won't get stolen and then trafficked to criminals.

The point I'm making is that you can't call yourself a "responsible" anything because you can't predict what will happen down the line.

It is a fact that your gun is more likely to be stolen and used in a crime, than it will ever be used to protect you or your family.

So just by virtue of the fact of owning a gun, you're an irresponsible person. You can never prove you're a "responsible gun owner" because that means nothing.

 

[The Derp]

You'd scream like a school girl and faint if you ever touched a gun. Just like if your BFF said she was getting married and showed you her ring. Or if your boyfriend showed you a new tapestry he bought ...

So thanks for confirming that all a gun does, really, is cure insecurity. Of course, it's more likely your gun will be stolen and used in a crime, than it is your gun will ever be used to defend yourself and/or your family.

If as many as 600,000 guns are stolen a year and that's what "responsible gun ownership" looks like, then fuuuuuuuuuuuuck thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. None of you are responsible gun owners. It's not something you can prove. "Responsible gun ownership" would mean *0* guns are stolen a year. So when 0 guns are stolen a year, then you can argue that they serve as some kind of protection or deterrent. Until then, kindly shut the **** up.

 

[turtledude]

time to ignore the gun banners who squeal in delight every time there is a shooting so they can use the blood of innocents to try to drown out our rights. You hate the NRA and gun owners because they don't support the leftwing candidates you crave

Nope because people are dying by the thousands.

really? gun deaths have declined over the years despite millions upon millions more guns in circulation and millions of people carrying guns legally. So you are either ignorant of the fact or lying. Most gun deaths are SUICIDES. the remaining number that are not justifiable or excusable shootings are homicides mainly and those are caused at rates of 80-90% by people who are not legally able to own or use guns

so stuff the silly dramatics. Gun violence in tis country-especially outside urban areas full of drug gangs is minuscule

USA is the worst country in terms of gu related dearhs/mass shootings. So there is clearly a gun problem. Why do you need a gun ? Insecure? Or ready to kill when you are pissed at the world?

what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Why do I need a gun? I don't absolutely need a gun. I want one and have one. One of the reasons I might need a gun is when people like you try and take away my rights like outlined in the 1st amendment. You seem to forget that amendment.

I support your right to blather stupidity. I am a libertarian-I support all constitutional rights-especially the ones set forth in the constitution

 

[turtledude]

time to ignore the gun banners who squeal in delight every time there is a shooting so they can use the blood of innocents to try to drown out our rights. You hate the NRA and gun owners because they don't support the leftwing candidates you crave

Nope because people are dying by the thousands.

really? gun deaths have declined over the years despite millions upon millions more guns in circulation and millions of people carrying guns legally. So you are either ignorant of the fact or lying. Most gun deaths are SUICIDES. the remaining number that are not justifiable or excusable shootings are homicides mainly and those are caused at rates of 80-90% by people who are not legally able to own or use guns

so stuff the silly dramatics. Gun violence in tis country-especially outside urban areas full of drug gangs is minuscule

USA is the worst country in terms of gu related dearhs/mass shootings. So there is clearly a gun problem. Why do you need a gun ? Insecure? Or ready to kill when you are pissed at the world?

what do I need a gun for? many reasons-one of them being to prevent people like you from trying to strip away our rights

Enjoy them, I hope you don't kill someone when you lose your temper as many do.

you're making stuff up-gun banners said CCW permits would cause BLOOD TO RUN IN THE STREETS-SHOOTOUTS Over road rage or parking spot disputes

didn't happen skippy

 

[Rustic]

It matters not what a semiauto looks like it only matters how it functions.

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

No....dipshit...it isn't a cult weapon......it is an easy to use rifle, that allows for customization....and it is very easy for women and small framed humans to use it for self defense, competition, hunting and collecting....

There are 8 million of them in private hands....

And how does anything you propose stop any criminal or mass shooter....dipshit? This shooter and all the others would pay your 200 dollars, register their guns and then go and shoot people....moron.

Nothing you or the other anti gunners propose would stop a criminal or a mass shooter...and that is the point.....you guys want to baby step the restrictions on guns and the fees, and the taxes.....and the paperwork so that normal, law abiding people are too afraid to own legal guns...for fear of failing some step of the process that will lead to a felony conviction for a paperwork mistake....

Meanwhile, criminals don't care....

By the way, genius......felons do not have to register their illegal guns...the Supreme Court, in Haynes v. United States ruled that forcing criminals to register their illegal guns violates their 5th Amendment Rights against self incrimination......so if it violates their Rights, it violates my Rights.....doofus.

Actually, you brought up a couple of good point amongst the crap you spew. You left out a few things.

The AR is no longer under Copyright. Even you can get a license to manufacture, sell and distribute them. About 3 percent of the population have used the M-16 and feel comfortable using the AR. Yes, it's versitile but it's till made for one reason and one reason only. To kill people. If you bought one to put food on the table then you really should have bought a few sides of beef and installed a root cellar instead. Other rifles do a much better job at getting the groceries.

You can currently buy an AR for less than 400 bucks. Okay, it's pretty basic and you had best not fire the MIl Grad Ammo. But it works just fine with the stock 223 loads. It's not nearly as pretty. But for less than 400 bucks, exactly what do you expect?

For Varmints, the AR isn't in my picture. I prefer the Remington model 700 VSSF II chambered for the 223 with a 50 grain bullet. Okay, it costs twice as much but it can nail anything from a rabbit to coyote at up to about 400 yds. But I would prefer it in 243 or 6mm. It's as accurate out to 400 yds as the 223 but has a much higher hitting power at 90 grains. If you try and go past 50 grains in a 223, you start losing accuracy and range. But a Savage costing less than 400 bucks in 223 or 243 also does a great job, it just won't be a Purty.

So, the only major thing an AR can do is kill people better. It doesn't make the list of the top 5 varmint rifles on any list done by reputable testers. So why would you buy an AR to go varmint shooting when the Remington on the high end and the Savage on the low end does a better job?

BTW, I shoot a Mauser Shavetail 22 long rifle for Ground Hogs. Now, that's a sport. I stopped shooting it when I found out just how rare a bird it really is.

That is your opinion, up here in the wide open northern plains, An AR has no equal for the hunting I do up here. Mule deer and under, the accessorizing and customizations are truly unlimited. ARs are extremely affordable for new people to get into the sport, and out of the box $500 ar can easily shoot 1” MOA at a 100... providing the shooter is up to it.
Shit for brains, ARs are available in multiple cartridges, such as .300, 6.8 spc, 6.5 creedmoor, etc. and they are every bit as good if not better than a bolt gun for hunting.
AR15s are not made for killing people, they are just sporting rifles.

Get over yourself ya old coot... lol

 

[Contumacious]

I am 70 years old, I have never misused a firearm . I have never invaded my neighbors' rights. Th police has been designated to investigate and protect. I fail to see the reason the powers-that-be refuse to abolish the GUN FREE ZONES statute given the fact that the criminally insane have shown a predilection for our schools..

So you're just completely ignoring the conversation we were having about responsibility. Just because you haven't misused a firearm (according to a standard you just made up on the spot) yet, doesn't mean you won't eventually, or that your gun won't get stolen and then trafficked to criminals.

The point I'm making is that you can't call yourself a "responsible" anything because you can't predict what will happen down the line.

It is a fact that your gun is more likely to be stolen and used in a crime, than it will ever be used to protect you or your family.

So just by virtue of the fact of owning a gun, you're an irresponsible person. You can never prove you're a "responsible gun owner" because that means nothing.

OK Mr Twerp, you are just another fucked up gun grabber.


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[Daryl Hunt]

Wrong answer, fruitcake. What is has the highest body count for a weapon in the mass shootings in the last 25 years? Yes, it's a semi auto but it's based on a full auto brother. It's designed to kill very quickly and efficiently of people. It's the weapon of choice because it does the best job. Can you tell us what weapon I am talking about without the NRA Boilerplate response?

It matters not what a semiauto looks like it only matters how it functions.

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

You have no right to reclassify any rifles, ARs are just sporting rifles nothing more nothing less.
There is no better rifle out there for varmints, pigs, coyotes and such...

BTW... Firearm registration is nothing more than firearm confiscation… Fact

It's a sporting rifle as long as you are hunting People.

As for Varmints I already listed at least two that blow the AR away. If you want to use the AR for a sporting rifle as you claim, I suggest you go to Syria where you can use it for the game it was designed for.

 

[kaz]

You'd scream like a school girl and faint if you ever touched a gun. Just like if your BFF said she was getting married and showed you her ring. Or if your boyfriend showed you a new tapestry he bought ...

So thanks for confirming that all a gun does, really, is cure insecurity. Of course, it's more likely your gun will be stolen and used in a crime, than it is your gun will ever be used to defend yourself and/or your family.

If as many as 600,000 guns are stolen a year and that's what "responsible gun ownership" looks like, then fuuuuuuuuuuuuck thaaaaaaaaaaaaaat shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. None of you are responsible gun owners. It's not something you can prove. "Responsible gun ownership" would mean *0* guns are stolen a year. So when 0 guns are stolen a year, then you can argue that they serve as some kind of protection or deterrent. Until then, kindly shut the **** up.

Just strawmen, lies, and misapplication of statistics.

There are virtually zero accidental shootings by people with CC permits. You're just a lying troll

 

[Rustic]

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

But...isn't knowing who has a gun and who doesn't a deterrent?

Don't gun owners want people to know they have guns?

How are they to deter criminals if the criminals don't know they're armed?

Or is it a personal wish fulfillment that your gun ownership is kept a secret so you have justification to shoot someone?

Seems to me that advertising you have a gun only makes it that much more likely someone will break into your house or car when you're not around and steal the gun, like they do with as many as 600,000 guns a year.

I am a proponent for CCWs not Open Carry. The idea is to not let the bad guy know who is and who isn't armed. Makes em real nervous. Of course, the stupid ones won't care. But if I were a Bad Guy, the armed robbery where there is a good chance everyone lives turn a different direction if I see someone in there wearing a gun. The Proud Gun Owner will be the first to get it. And since I just went from an Robber to a Murderer, I go into a "No Witness left behind" way of thinking. If I get into a situation that requires me to pull a weapon I have already decided to shoot after reviewing all the legalities that one has to learn to get a CCW. I don't pull it and say, "Freeze Dirtbag". I pull it and kill the SOB. Then I take out the Mag, empty the shells out of it, leave the gun on the counter with the slide locked open and step away from it while waiting to be handcuffed and taken to jail. Even if I were saving many lives and it's can be proven. AS far as I can see, most that open carry shouldn't be trusted with a toaster much less a gun. (here comes the shrieking from the ones that disagree).

That’s your opinion, and that’s fine just don’t try to force it on anyone else, If you try it will be thrown back in your face

 

[The Derp]

OK Mr Twerp, you are just another fucked up gun grabber..

Did I say anything about confiscation? No. But you jump to that by habit because it's what you've been trained to do by years of NRA propaganda.

None of you gun owners are responsible people. Y'all can't even keep track of the guns you have now, let alone any future guns you might buy. And the more guns you buy, the higher the likelihood one of those guns will get stolen and end up being used in a crime. Because you're a sociopath, you feel no guilt or shame or empathy. Instead, you're just a garbage person.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

WRong answer once again. Part of it is a culture. The Weapon I am specifically referring to is very much part of a culture. Now, name that Weapon. Go ahead and be very specific.

It matters not what any gun looks like only how it performs an the Ar 15 that you are so afraid of performs no differently than any other semiautomatic in existence

Now, was that painful? I hope not. The AR style has become a cult weapon. You can say how others are just as deadly but the AR is the weapon of choice for mass shootings. I am not saying we need to outlaw that specific weapon but we can up it in the firearms where you can't just walk into a store and purchase it in less than 30 minutes or you can't mail order it or buy it at a gunshow with no background check. If you wanted to keep yours then you can keep it. Just pay the 200 bucks that would be required, register the weapon and yourself and become responsible for the weapon and it's uses. ALL AR types used in the mass shootings were purchased legally so let's stop with the "Oh Yah, what about the Criminal". Hand Grenades do a much better job at killing but the people that legally buy them pay the 200 bucks and just don't use them for mass killings no matter what the movies say. People that own Automatic Weapons pay the 200 bucks and are not the problem. But an 18 year old kid with a score to settle that buys it without paying the 200 bucks IS the problem. Actually, it isn't limited to age as the shootings can attest. You just have to be 18 years old or older. Not a problem if the 18 year old pays the 200 bucks for the license to possess one. There are many young people that have at least a class 4 or class D firearms license and you just don't hear about them doing these insane things.

Sorry to bust your bubble but I am not out to take your guns. I just suggest that we reclassify one specific weapon.

No....dipshit...it isn't a cult weapon......it is an easy to use rifle, that allows for customization....and it is very easy for women and small framed humans to use it for self defense, competition, hunting and collecting....

There are 8 million of them in private hands....

And how does anything you propose stop any criminal or mass shooter....dipshit? This shooter and all the others would pay your 200 dollars, register their guns and then go and shoot people....moron.

Nothing you or the other anti gunners propose would stop a criminal or a mass shooter...and that is the point.....you guys want to baby step the restrictions on guns and the fees, and the taxes.....and the paperwork so that normal, law abiding people are too afraid to own legal guns...for fear of failing some step of the process that will lead to a felony conviction for a paperwork mistake....

Meanwhile, criminals don't care....

By the way, genius......felons do not have to register their illegal guns...the Supreme Court, in Haynes v. United States ruled that forcing criminals to register their illegal guns violates their 5th Amendment Rights against self incrimination......so if it violates their Rights, it violates my Rights.....doofus.

Actually, you brought up a couple of good point amongst the crap you spew. You left out a few things.

The AR is no longer under Copyright. Even you can get a license to manufacture, sell and distribute them. About 3 percent of the population have used the M-16 and feel comfortable using the AR. Yes, it's versitile but it's till made for one reason and one reason only. To kill people. If you bought one to put food on the table then you really should have bought a few sides of beef and installed a root cellar instead. Other rifles do a much better job at getting the groceries.

You can currently buy an AR for less than 400 bucks. Okay, it's pretty basic and you had best not fire the MIl Grad Ammo. But it works just fine with the stock 223 loads. It's not nearly as pretty. But for less than 400 bucks, exactly what do you expect?

For Varmints, the AR isn't in my picture. I prefer the Remington model 700 VSSF II chambered for the 223 with a 50 grain bullet. Okay, it costs twice as much but it can nail anything from a rabbit to coyote at up to about 400 yds. But I would prefer it in 243 or 6mm. It's as accurate out to 400 yds as the 223 but has a much higher hitting power at 90 grains. If you try and go past 50 grains in a 223, you start losing accuracy and range. But a Savage costing less than 400 bucks in 223 or 243 also does a great job, it just won't be a Purty.

So, the only major thing an AR can do is kill people better. It doesn't make the list of the top 5 varmint rifles on any list done by reputable testers. So why would you buy an AR to go varmint shooting when the Remington on the high end and the Savage on the low end does a better job?

BTW, I shoot a Mauser Shavetail 22 long rifle for Ground Hogs. Now, that's a sport. I stopped shooting it when I found out just how rare a bird it really is.

That is your opinion, up here in the wide open northern plains, An AR has no equal for the hunting I do up here. Mule deer and under, the accessorizing and customizations are truly unlimited. ARs are extremely affordable for new people to get into the sport, and out of the box $500 ar can easily shoot 1” MOA at a 100... providing the shooter is up to it.
Shit for brains, ARs are available in multiple cartridges, such as .300, 6.8 spc, 6.5 creedmoor, etc. and they are every bit as good if not better than a bolt gun for hunting.
AR15s are not made for killing people, they are just sporting rifles.

Get over yourself ya old coot... lol

This old coot has the background to know the difference. What I can see is that your little bunch has shouted down and bullied until the other person stops posting. You can give that one up. I am fully retired as of last week. I have the time. If you doubt my predictions, in the Military area here, I made certain predictions and ALL have come true. If I weren't pretty sure that the AR is going to be raised one level on the firearms category I wouldn't have made that prediction. It's an election year so look for some changes real fast at the Federal Level if the Congress Critter try and go against this.

 

[Rustic]

You don’t understand the second amendment obviously

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.

The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.

The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.

That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

I have lots of Freedom. I can see you never visited Spain in the 60s and 70s like I did. I can see you never visited East Berlin in the 80s like I did. I can see you never visited....... pick many countries. Some of the bad ones even called their Governments Democracies. If you are absolutely sure that the US is not a free country, I suggest you denounce your citizenship and move to one that is. Good friggin luck finding one more free than America.

America happens to be the best of the worst, We don’t have any real freedom here. Obviously you don’t know what real freedom is...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

What you are seeing is fewer people willing to admit to anonymous pollsters that they own guns...especially after several newspapers decided to publish the names and addresses of gun owners .........

But...isn't knowing who has a gun and who doesn't a deterrent?

Don't gun owners want people to know they have guns?

How are they to deter criminals if the criminals don't know they're armed?

Or is it a personal wish fulfillment that your gun ownership is kept a secret so you have justification to shoot someone?

Seems to me that advertising you have a gun only makes it that much more likely someone will break into your house or car when you're not around and steal the gun, like they do with as many as 600,000 guns a year.

I am a proponent for CCWs not Open Carry. The idea is to not let the bad guy know who is and who isn't armed. Makes em real nervous. Of course, the stupid ones won't care. But if I were a Bad Guy, the armed robbery where there is a good chance everyone lives turn a different direction if I see someone in there wearing a gun. The Proud Gun Owner will be the first to get it. And since I just went from an Robber to a Murderer, I go into a "No Witness left behind" way of thinking. If I get into a situation that requires me to pull a weapon I have already decided to shoot after reviewing all the legalities that one has to learn to get a CCW. I don't pull it and say, "Freeze Dirtbag". I pull it and kill the SOB. Then I take out the Mag, empty the shells out of it, leave the gun on the counter with the slide locked open and step away from it while waiting to be handcuffed and taken to jail. Even if I were saving many lives and it's can be proven. AS far as I can see, most that open carry shouldn't be trusted with a toaster much less a gun. (here comes the shrieking from the ones that disagree).

That’s your opinion, and that’s fine just don’t try to force it on anyone else, If you try it will be thrown back in your face

I stand by my predictsion. And my predictions are usually correct. What's the matter, your bullying isn't working?

 

[The Derp]

Just strawmen, lies, and misapplication of statistics.

What is the straw man? Please, explain.

What are the lies? Please, elaborate.

What stats are being misapplied? Please, expand on that thought.

There are virtually zero accidental shootings by people with CC permits. You're just a lying troll

LOL! Virtually? So you don't seem to know for sure, do you? Secondly, how many people with CC permits have their guns stolen? Again, you don't know. So how the **** do you think you are responsible when you don't know the first ******* thing about which you're talking?

Are you trying to prove to me that you're a responsible gun owner? There is no such thing.

 

[The Derp]

Not as you interpret it, no. And you are forgetting the 1st amendment almost entirely.

The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment is to keep American citizens from being disarmed by an oppressive US government and forced to live in a police state where only the government has weapons....like maybe a Gestapo controlled by some asshole like Obama. Remember, that sleazy bastard suggested we have a national police force under his control. Dreams of his father.

The government controls all aspects of your life already if you didn't know it.

That’s why we have no real freedom in this country

I have lots of Freedom. I can see you never visited Spain in the 60s and 70s like I did. I can see you never visited East Berlin in the 80s like I did. I can see you never visited....... pick many countries. Some of the bad ones even called their Governments Democracies. If you are absolutely sure that the US is not a free country, I suggest you denounce your citizenship and move to one that is. Good friggin luck finding one more free than America.

America happens to be the best of the worst, We don’t have any real freedom here. Obviously you don’t know what real freedom is...

Oh please. What do you want to do that the government is preventing you from doing? Nothing. Stop being a drama queen.