The Repercussions of Trump v. United States May Finally Be Hitting Roberts

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The Supreme Court’s decision last year in Trump v. United States gave the president of the United States criminal immunity for “official acts,” defined as anything that could involve or plausibly extend to the president’s core duties.

Critics of the ruling, such as the constitutional scholar Akhil Reed Amar, were quick to note that the court’s formulation had no basis in the text, structure or history of the Constitution. The dissenting justices in the case, led by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, warned that the ruling would, in effect, make the president a king.

“The court,” Sotomayor wrote, “effectively creates a law-free zone around the president, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the founding.” When the president uses his official powers in any way, she continued, “he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold on to power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune.”


trump's insulation from overtly corrupt acts goes beyond legal accountability. It extends to the political realm as well.

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She was right. In his second term as president, Donald Trump has claimed royal prerogative over the entire executive branch. His lieutenants, likewise, have rejected judicial oversight of his actions, blasting individual judges for supposedly usurping the authority of the president.

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Republicans seek impeachment of 2 more judges who stymied Trump​


Congressional Repubs are seeking to reorient the judiciary's power to enforce the law against a lawless admin when they should be looking for ways to reign in trump's uncontrolled lust for power.

Nothing seems to give pause to his loyal flock. Not even this frightening declaration of sovereignty.

“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
 
I agree with most of the courts rulings but this was one they really screwed up.
 
Yep.

This is on congressional Republicans. They have to show some balls for a change.
How different the political landscape would look if congressional Repubs put the country ahead of their own individual electoral aspirations.
 
TRUUUUUUUUUUMP :aargh:

Sadly but not unexpectedly, you are unable to understand that this goes far beyond Trump. It was the court saying that some can be held above the law. That will extend long after Trump is gone unless they can find some way to come to their senses.
 
As numb as I've become to most of this, that one was a shock.

Something Has Gone Deeply Wrong at the Supreme Court​

Jurists who preach fidelity to the Constitution are making decisions that flatly contradict our founding document’s text and ideals.

The conservatives just made something up to give a member of their tribe cover from legal accountability for his actions. Pretense being entirely absent.
 
Sadly but not unexpectedly, you are unable to understand that this goes far beyond Trump. It was the court saying that some can be held above the law. That will extend long after Trump is gone unless they can find some way to come to their senses.
The court is saying YOU CANNOT USE LAWFARE AGAINST ANY SITTING PRESIDENT.
PERIOD.
GFY, Ms.Contrary-pants.
:rolleyes:
 
The Supreme Court’s decision last year in Trump v. United States gave the president of the United States criminal immunity for “official acts,” defined as anything that could involve or plausibly extend to the president’s core duties.

Critics of the ruling, such as the constitutional scholar Akhil Reed Amar, were quick to note that the court’s formulation had no basis in the text, structure or history of the Constitution. The dissenting justices in the case, led by Justice Sonia Sotomayor, warned that the ruling would, in effect, make the president a king.

“The court,” Sotomayor wrote, “effectively creates a law-free zone around the president, upsetting the status quo that has existed since the founding.” When the president uses his official powers in any way, she continued, “he now will be insulated from criminal prosecution. Orders the Navy’s SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival? Immune. Organizes a military coup to hold on to power? Immune. Takes a bribe in exchange for a pardon? Immune.”


trump's insulation from overtly corrupt acts goes beyond legal accountability. It extends to the political realm as well.

Trump Pardons Criminal Whose Mom Attended Mar-a-Lago Fundraiser​


She was right. In his second term as president, Donald Trump has claimed royal prerogative over the entire executive branch. His lieutenants, likewise, have rejected judicial oversight of his actions, blasting individual judges for supposedly usurping the authority of the president.

House Budget Bill Would Gut Federal Courts’ Ability to Enforce Orders

Buried in the House’s budget reconciliation bill — now pending in the Senate — is a legislative provision that takes aim at the federal judiciary. Section 70302, titled “Restriction on Enforcement,” would undermine federal judges’ authority to enforce court orders by limiting their ability to hold government officials in contempt, a key tool for compelling compliance with court orders.

Republicans seek impeachment of 2 more judges who stymied Trump​


Congressional Repubs are seeking to reorient the judiciary's power to enforce the law against a lawless admin when they should be looking for ways to reign in trump's uncontrolled lust for power.

Nothing seems to give pause to his loyal flock. Not even this frightening declaration of sovereignty.

“He who saves his Country does not violate any Law.”
Why is there no quote from Roberts in your post? Your OP Title purports to be about something "hitting" Roberts.
 
Why is there no quote from Roberts in your post? Your OP Title purports to be about something "hitting" Roberts.
You realize I can't cut and paste the entire article, right?

This, in turn, prompted the chief justice to issue a rare statement. “For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,” he wrote. “The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.”

It’s a little hard to know what to make of this. One view is that Roberts is issuing a rebuke that may have consequences for any cases the administration has before the court. Another, less charitable view is that Roberts — who has been very sympathetic to Trump’s past claims of broad executive authority, in keeping with his own expansive (perhaps even radical) vision of executive power — is telling Trump that if he backs down, he will get the results he wants.
 

Something Has Gone Deeply Wrong at the Supreme Court​

Jurists who preach fidelity to the Constitution are making decisions that flatly contradict our founding document’s text and ideals.

The conservatives just made something up to give a member of their tribe cover from legal accountability for his actions. Pretense being entirely absent.

This outrage is rich coming from the left. Democratic SCJ’s vote lockstep with the Democratic Party. They all vote as a block. They are activists. Anybody that follows the SC rulings knows this.
 
Why would Chief Justice Roberts "regret" anything?

Doesn't he make his decisions based on the LAW and not what he thinks is the better policy?

If he did the former , he has nothing to be sorry about. If he did the latter, he should resign immediately, as the SCOTUS is supposed to be interpreting law, not deciding what law should be imposed on the People. That's the job of Congress.
 
You realize I can't cut and paste the entire article, right?
Of course.

But it would be helpful if you posted the part that supports your claim in the OP Title.
This, in turn, prompted the chief justice to issue a rare statement. “For more than two centuries, it has been established that impeachment is not an appropriate response to disagreement concerning a judicial decision,” he wrote. “The normal appellate review process exists for that purpose.”
Thank you.

Here's my take on that. I would assume that Roberts means that no member one of the other co-equal branches of government should be talking impeachment of judges with whom they disagree, due to the non-political nature of the judicial branch.

However . . . the fact that Roberts makes public statements regarding policies of the executive branch means that he is inserting himself into politics.

It’s a little hard to know what to make of this. One view is that Roberts is issuing a rebuke that may have consequences for any cases the administration has before the court. Another, less charitable view is that Roberts — who has been very sympathetic to Trump’s past claims of broad executive authority, in keeping with his own expansive (perhaps even radical) vision of executive power — is telling Trump that if he backs down, he will get the results he wants.
Decent analysis. The truth is likely some version of one of those.

Either way, the courts, by being so blatantly political from bottom to top, have forfeited any claim to special deference owed them due to their being these non-partisan, non-political stalwarts of THE LAW.
 
This outrage is rich coming from the left. Democratic SCJ’s vote lockstep with the Democratic Party.
Never during a time when liberals had a majority on the SC did they make up something out of legal "whole cloth" to empower a Dem prez so he was immune from the law.
 
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Never during a time when liberals had a majority on the SC did they make up something out of legal "whole cloth" to empower a Dem prez so he was immune from the law.

No they just created Roe, Chevron and other bullshit.
 
Of course.

But it would be helpful if you posted the part that supports your claim in the OP Title.

Thank you.

Here's my take on that. I would assume that Roberts means that no member one of the other co-equal branches of government should be talking impeachment of judges with whom they disagree, due to the non-political nature of the judicial branch.

However . . . the fact that Roberts makes public statements regarding policies of the executive branch means that he is inserting himself into politics.


Decent analysis. The truth is likely some version of one of those.

Either way, the courts, by being so blatantly political from bottom to top, have forfeited any claim to special deference owed them due to their being these non-partisan, non-political stalwarts of THE LAW.
It’s a little hard to know what to make of this. One view is that Roberts is issuing a rebuke that may have consequences for any cases the administration has before the court.

Not so hard, IMO. I think the rebuke is directed at congressional Repubs for picking up on trump's desire to impeach judges who find his actions to be illegal. That trump would make such an outlandish comment is to be expected. He has always acted as if he was above the law. Even before he was elected.
 
Never during a time when liberals had a majority on the SC did they make up something out of legal "whole cloth" to empower a Dem prez so he was immune from the law.
The LAW has been in place FOREVER.
You're just upset that you CAN'T continue your SOVIET LAWFARE BULLSHIT.
GFY
:dev3:
 
It’s a little hard to know what to make of this. One view is that Roberts is issuing a rebuke that may have consequences for any cases the administration has before the court.

Not so hard, IMO. I think the rebuke is directed at congressional Repubs for picking up on trump's desire to impeach judges who find his actions to be illegal. That trump would make such an outlandish comment is to be expected. He has always acted as if he was above the law. Even before he was elected.
I see this is in reply to my post, but I don't see how it answers my post.

Trump gamed a rigged system. He has said that many times.

When one party is firmly in charge of two branches, Executive and Legislative, and the Judicial decides that its mission is to stop the will of the voters as expressed through the most recent election, then of course those branches are going to speak up and talk about options to deal with such rogue behavior.

Judges do not create "THE LAW" merely by speaking. If they think that they do, they are getting that idea from somewhere other than the U.S. Constitution.
 
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