Zone1 The Religious Wisdom of Bill O'Reilly

[Votto]

Explain why Christians invented hell and a devil when there is no original sin or any of that in the Old Testament. Whats the purpose?
If you dont believe in Jesus youre going to hell. Isnt that a threat.

In your own OT, it says that to hate evil is the beginning of wisdom. It is also equated to being the "fear of God".

So, was the OT threatening people not to bask in sinfulness? No, it is like telling people not to stick your head in a fan is all because bad things will happen.

From your vantage point though, hell is something too horrible to contemplate, but from another perspective, it is just one of a long list of things bad that will happen to you if you persist in it.

Try again.

 

[Hafar1014]

In your own OT, it says that to hate evil is the beginning of wisdom. It is also equated to being the "fear of God".

So, was the OT threatening people not to bask in sinfulness? No, it is like telling people not to stick your head in a fan is all because bad things will happen.

From your vantage point though, hell is something too horrible to contemplate, but from another perspective, it is just one of a long list of things bad that will happen to you if you persist in it.

Try again.

If you fear God you have it wrong.

 

[Votto]

There is no black and white as far as I'm concerned. Didn't Jesus say there are many mansions in his father's realm, or something to that effect.

Jesus said that there is none good but God, only the father should be termed as "good".

Goodness is based upon your subjective perspective. For example, let's say you murdered a man, but as a defense you highlight all the wonderful and good things you have done in your life, even though you admit to that one act of murder.

From God's vantage point, one sin makes you a sinner and you must be held accountable for it. From his vantage point, one sin causes death. From our vantage point, however, I may be a sinner but I'm not a horrible sinner, is a good enough defense to be considered "good".

 

[Votto]

If you fear God you have it wrong.

I am just quoting your own OT.

Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

Don't take it up with me, take it up with God himself.

Good luck.

And does anyone here really believe that Hitler will be their neighbor in heaven?

 

[Hafar1014]

I am just quoting your own OT.

Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech.

Don't take it up with me, take it up with God himself.

Good luck.

And does anyone here really believe that Hitler will be their neighbor in heaven?

Fear is the human emotion the purpose is to avoid. You dont fear that which is good. You fear that which is dangerous and hurtful. Your idea of God is primitive and distorted.

 

[Votto]

Fear is the human emotion the purpose is to avoid. You dont fear that which is good. You fear that which is dangerous and hurtful. Your idea of God is primitive and distorted.

Do you have a problem with your own OT?

Again, fear is not a bad thing, because it keeps you alive.

The fear of God does not even preclude God from intervening directly to punish you, it is simply the wisdom of warning children not to play in the streets.

 

[Votto]

Fear is the human emotion the purpose is to avoid. You dont fear that which is good. You fear that which is dangerous and hurtful. Your idea of God is primitive and distorted.

Are you suggesting that a God that can pass down punitive judgement is dangerous and primitive?

Clearly, God has done this historically. He has done it to those who oppressed his people, as well as to his own people when they became oppressive, as in the book of Jeremiah when God allowed the unrighteous to destroy the Hebrew nation as a judgement.

I think maybe if your own religious book offends you so much, you may want to write another, which people do about every day of the year. It just won't be impactful is all to anyone.

Remember, God is merciful, but it has limits, as we see time again with sinful men who have been judged by him.

God was only going to allow so much evil, before they are judged, like men like Hitler or the backslidden ancient Israelites who embraced the child sacrifice of Molech.

 

[Votto]

Can anyone here tell me if the most celebrated Patriarchs of the Bible, namely Moses and King David, were good people?

Help me out here, because both murdered a man.

This is what I love about the Bible, and why it is superior to all other religious texts. It gives the good, the bad, and the ugly to everyone in the religious book, which is the only way it could be legit.

And we see this is politics as well. It just broke my heart when I saw Trump say that he hoped that his ability to champion a peace deal in Gaza and the Ukraine would help keep him out of hell. Clearly, he does not understand Christianity, but at least he seems to believe in a God and a hell.

Conversely, those that purport to be soooo much morally superior to him, do their best to foment hatred and assassination attempts to murder him. Men like Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, who claim to be Christians, embrace the Left wing wickedness of their own party, probably because they don't really believe they will be held to account for anything at all, because more than likely, they don't really believe in a God at all, or if they do, it will be a God that refuses to judge them, much like how the Swamp refuses to judge them for all corruption and crimes.

No, there is a God and he is just. They will soon find that out.

 

[knuckles]

Jesus said that there is none good but God, only the father should be termed as "good".

Goodness is based upon your subjective perspective. For example, let's say you murdered a man, but as a defense you highlight all the wonderful and good things you have done in your life, even though you admit to that one act of murder.

From God's vantage point, one sin makes you a sinner and you must be held accountable for it. From his vantage point, one sin causes death. From our vantage point, however, I may be a sinner but I'm not a horrible sinner, is a good enough defense to be considered "good".

Many religions, especially the Judeau Christian ones are oppressive, manipulative and tyrannical.

 

[Votto]

Many religions, especially the Judeau Christian ones are oppressive, manipulative and tyrannical.

True, but what is the source of this manipulation and despotism?

Is it God or man?

Case in point, 1 Samuel 8 where the Hebrew people demand a king. The prophet Samuel goes before God to tell him, to which he replies that this is not a good thing, but if they insist, they will at least be given a warning as to the type of oppression they are inviting as they give sinful man control over their lives. You should read it. It was used in the pamphlet "Common Sense" to get Americans to support the Revolution against the king of England.

The politics of men bring out the worst in humanity, as it is always about their own personal power.

 

[knuckles]

True, but what is the source of this manipulation and despotism?

Is it God or man?

Case in point, 1 Samuel 8 where the Hebrew people demand a king. The prophet Samuel goes before God to tell him, to which he replies that this is not a good thing, but if they insist, they will at least be given a warning as to the type of oppression they are inviting as they give sinful man control over their lives. You should read it. It was used in the pamphlet "Common Sense" to get Americans to support the Revolution against the king of England.

The politics of men bring out the worst in humanity, as it is always about their own personal power.

It's man.