Zone1 The reason there is hatred against Jews is about numbers. Judaism is a tiny religion and group compared to their enemies.

[theHawk]

the word "anti-Semitic" was coined specifically to mean "anti-Jew." It was not a construct that meant "against anyone who calls himself a Semite".

Yes we know. It’s a dumb phrase that makes no sense. Either way, how can we be “anti-Jew” if Jesus is a Jew and we accept him as our Messiah?

 

[rosends]

Are you suggesting the spirit of God isn’t Holy?

Are you suggesting that words don't have specific meaning?

Also, have fun explaining the three that visit Abraham in Gen 18.

Explaining what? Tell me what you don't understand and I'll help you out.

 

[theHawk]

Any reasonably informed person knows that there is no such thing as "Jews as a whole" in terms of political ideology.

Okay, “Jews as 90%”. LOL

 

[rosends]

Yes we know. It’s a dumb phrase that makes no sense. Either way, how can we be “anti-Jew” if Jesus is a Jew and we accept him as our Messiah?

I'm a Jew and I can be anti-Jew. It's not a new concept.

 

[rosends]

Okay, “Jews as 90%”. LOL

or "Jews as 37%"

equally as valid and invalid.

 

[theHawk]

Are you suggesting that words don't have specific meaning?

Explaining what? Tell me what you don't understand and I'll help you out.

I don’t need any help.

The Lord arrives to see Abraham as three men. They are addressed as Lord and he bows low to all of them. They do not correct him or admonish him like regular angels would do.

Lot does the same in chapter 19 when he sees two of them.


But according to “Jews” today, it is impossible for God to take the form of a man, much less three different ones at the same time. Yet in Genesis 18 they did.

As well as in Judges when Gideon is visited by “the Angel of the Lord” who is actually the Lord.

 

[theHawk]

I'm a Jew and I can be anti-Jew. It's not a new concept.

No, you’re just anti-Christ.

 

[rosends]

I don’t need any help.

The Lord arrives to see Abraham as three men. They are addressed as Lord and he bows low to all of them. They do not correct him or admonish him like regular angels would do.

Lot does the same in chapter 19 when he sees two of them.


But according to “Jews” today, it is impossible for God to take the form of a man, much less three different ones at the same time. Yet in Genesis 18 they did.

As well as in Judges when Gideon is visited by “the Angel of the Lord” who is actually the Lord.

Abraham is visited by 3 angels (or some read "messengers"). Not by God.

Decuding on your own that the text means something different from what us right there isn't useful.

 

[Picaro]

Historians estimate that 60% of bootleggers during Prohibition were Jewish. Jewish bootleggers operated in major cities, including New York City, Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, Minneapolis, and Newark.

That's because of the Jewish Canadians who dominated the smuggling industry in Canada and also bought up the breweries and distilleries there. They also dominated the wine industry that boomed in California during Prohibition. Catholics were also over-represented, both Irish and Italian. A lot of Rabbis were active bootleggers mostly wine.

Contrary to the myths, Prohibition didn't outlaw drinking or booze; you could make your own, and also you could stockpile as much as you had room for, as long as you didn't sell it or transport it. Catholic Priests and Rabbis had religious exemptions.

Laws were also very lax in many states. In New York any building that had been raided for selling booze but wasn't caught with any could not be raided again for a year. Arnold Rothstein made a fortune in real estate renting buildings out to speakeasys and nightclubs by arranging for the cops to raid an empty building and then renting it out to a saloon or nightclub. That's how those famous clubs like the Cotton Club and Coconut Grove and the Copacabana and the Stork Club were even advertising nationally throughout the era.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/11/new-yorks-most-infamous-speakeasies.html

By 1930, Police Commissioner Grover Whalen estimated that there were around 32,000 speakeasies in New York.

This claim is of course rubbish; it's only source is a small time police sergeant making an wild assed hyperbolic claim.

Harlem was a hopping place as well.

 

[theHawk]

Abraham is visited by 3 angels (or some read "messengers"). Not by God.

Decuding on your own that the text means something different from what us right there isn't useful.

So why is he bowing down to them and calling them LORD?

They are addressed as LORD in the whole chapter.

^^ See how so called “Rabbis” have to deny their own Torah that they claim to cherish?

Genesis 18 / Hebrew - English Bible / Mechon-Mamre

 

[rosends]

So why is he bowing down to them and calling them LORD?

The word means "Sirs". Basic respect for guests.

Genesis 18:3

he said, “My lords!*My lords Or “My lord,” referring either to the delegation’s apparent leader or to God. If it please you, do not go on past your...

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They are addressed as LORD in the whole chapter.

^^ See how so called “Rabbis” have to deny their own Torah that they claim to cherish?

that's untrue. During the rest of Gen 18, God is called God and, as verse 16 attests, the MEN got up. Try to read.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Explaining what? Tell me what you don't understand and I'll help you out

That's pretty arrogant.
If I said something like that, some of you would be all over me.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Abraham is visited by 3 angels (or some read "messengers"). Not by God

The leader is believed to be the "Logos" -- the Word

 

[theHawk]

The word means "Sirs". Basic respect for guests.

Genesis 18:3

he said, “My lords!*My lords Or “My lord,” referring either to the delegation’s apparent leader or to God. If it please you, do not go on past your...

www.sefaria.org

that's untrue. During the rest of Gen 18, God is called God and, as verse 16 attests, the MEN got up. Try to read.

Bwahahaha, there we have it. Total babbling nonsense from Rosends, denying what the words are. The three men are addressed as Lord. They got up in verse 16 because they were sitting down as Abraham was preparing things for them.



In Gen 32:30 Jacob says "I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered“ when wrestling with a man.


Gideon saw the Angel of the Lord that was God.
Judges 6:22–23
"Then Gideon perceived that he was the angel of the Lord. And Gideon said, 'Alas, O Lord God! For now I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face.' But the Lord said to him, 'Peace be to you. Do not fear; you shall not die'"


Exodus 3:2-6, the Angel of the Lord appears as a burning bush.

Exodus 23:20-23, the Angel of the Lord appears as a pillar of cloud that was guiding the Hebrews.


More tap dancing from rosends!

 

[Arlette]

This is what I have concluded after years of learning about Judaism. They are and remain the underdogs, contrary to some beliefs and it makes it easier for people to justify their bias against them as there are too few to debate them, and/or are educated about history.

Yes, they are the dominant military and economic power compared to the Palestinians, it is to their credit, due to their own effort and focus. The reality is that they are a tiny nation, with a tiny population, even worldwide as a religion, they are less than 20M people. Think about that . Islam has over 1 BILLION people, many of them taught to hate the Jews and most of them (outside of Indonesia) are in their neighbourhood. Even Christianity which is far more pro-Jewish than any other religion outside of Judaism has over 1 Billion people (at least in the loose definition of what is defined as a Christian).

The truth is that all that is good in the world, across all of humanity, is due to the Torah. In essence, all of what is good in the world has its origins in Judaism and it's genesis (pardon the pun) is the Jews. We now embraced, through the rabbi Jesus, Judeo-Christian values. A significant improvement.

Someone prove me wrong about the assertions in that last paragraph. Every nation that believes in the respect of human lives, the beauty of the world and within each of our souls is due to Judaism ultimately.

No stronger assertion of this was the poll of Arabs in Jerusalem who stated in polls overwhelmingly that they would prefer Israeli rule over Arab rulers. Why would they, as practicing Muslims prefer this?

Yes, as in Christianity, there are Jews who have lost their faith, that which was important to the light upon the world. However, even those who lose faith and adherence to the bible have at their core the belief in the sanctity of life, the loyalty to fair and equal justice, the belief in morality and forgiveness.

In todays world it's fashionable to blame the Jews for everything, especially in the region. Don't fall for that disinformation spread by enemies of the West, educate yourselves/

It's not about numbers. It's about the genocide in Gaza.

 

[rosends]

That's pretty arrogant.
If I said something like that, some of you would be all over me.

If you were offering to explain my religion, then yes, that would be a problem. I'm not here to explain your beliefs, just explain what the text says.

 

[Woodznutz]

Nope. It was given to the Jews -

The Law was given to Moses, a Levite, who gave it to all the tribes of Israel.

 

[rosends]

Bwahahaha, there we have it. Total babbling nonsense from Rosends, denying what the words are. The three men are addressed as Lord. They got up in verse 16 because they were sitting down as Abraham was preparing things for them.

So you can't read the Hebrew. That's sad. The text calls thyem a word which means either angels or messengers. Abraham treats them as men (giving them food etc), and then in verse 16, the text says that the men got up. The word that Abraham used means "my lords" and is a show of respect in Hebrew.

In Gen 32:30 Jacob says "I have seen God face to face, and yet my life has been delivered“ when wrestling with a man.

So?

Gideon saw the Angel of the Lord that was God.
Judges 6:22–23
"Then Gideon perceived that he was the angel of the Lord. And Gideon said, 'Alas, O Lord God! For now I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face.' But the Lord said to him, 'Peace be to you. Do not fear; you shall not die'"

Yup, an angel. When he prayed to God about seeing an angel, God answered him. Not difficult.

And when Gid῾on perceived that he was an angel of the Lord, Gid῾on said, Alas, O Lord God! because I have surely seen an angel of the Lord face to face.
And the Lord said to him, Peace be to thee; fear not: thou shalt not die.

Exodus 3:2-6, the Angel of the Lord appears as a burning bush.

yup -- the angel calls to Moses and God then speaks with Moses after Moses focuses on the bush. So?

Exodus 23:20-23, the Angel of the Lord appears as a pillar of cloud that was guiding the Hebrews.

this text does not say that:


הִנֵּ֨ה אָנֹכִ֜י שֹׁלֵ֤חַ מַלְאָךְ֙ לְפָנֶ֔יךָ לִשְׁמׇרְךָ֖ בַּדָּ֑רֶךְ וְלַהֲבִ֣יאֲךָ֔ אֶל־הַמָּק֖וֹם אֲשֶׁ֥ר הֲכִנֹֽתִי׃
Behold, I send an angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee to the place which I have prepared.


הִשָּׁ֧מֶר מִפָּנָ֛יו וּשְׁמַ֥ע בְּקֹל֖וֹ אַל־תַּמֵּ֣ר בּ֑וֹ כִּ֣י לֹ֤א יִשָּׂא֙ לְפִשְׁעֲכֶ֔ם כִּ֥י שְׁמִ֖י בְּקִרְבּֽוֹ׃
Take heed of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.


כִּ֣י אִם־שָׁמ֤וֹעַ תִּשְׁמַע֙ בְּקֹל֔וֹ וְעָשִׂ֕יתָ כֹּ֖ל אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֲדַבֵּ֑ר וְאָֽיַבְתִּי֙ אֶת־אֹ֣יְבֶ֔יךָ וְצַרְתִּ֖י אֶת־צֹרְרֶֽיךָ׃
But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak; then I will be an enemy to thy enemies, and an adversary to thy adversaries.


כִּֽי־יֵלֵ֣ךְ מַלְאָכִי֮ לְפָנֶ֒יךָ֒ וֶהֱבִֽיאֲךָ֗ אֶל־הָֽאֱמֹרִי֙ וְהַ֣חִתִּ֔י וְהַפְּרִזִּי֙ וְהַֽכְּנַעֲנִ֔י הַחִוִּ֖י וְהַיְבוּסִ֑י וְהִכְחַדְתִּֽיו׃
For my angel shall go before thee, and bring thee in to the Emori, and the Ḥitti, and the Perizzi, and the Kena῾ani, and the Ḥivvi, and the Yevusi; and I will cut them off.


a couple of verses later the text indicates that God will send hornets. Are hornets God?

 

[rosends]

The leader is believed to be the "Logos" -- the Word

by whom?

 

[Woodznutz]

So you can't read the Hebrew.

No need to read Hebrew, just read the translation that the Jews use.