Zone1 The reality for police officers. At a moments notice they can be shot and killed by a random criminal.

[MarathonMike]

No, that's wrong. Cops DO NOT actually have an especially dangerous job. (And the most common reason for death on duty is...a car crash.)

It's amazing what Cop Haters and Trump Haters can convince themselves of. That is totally absurd.

 

[initforme]

All police officers pay should be doubled instantly. To put your life on the line for under 6 figures is not enticing.

 

[progressive hunter]

All police officers pay should be doubled instantly. To put your life on the line for under 6 figures is not enticing.

a lot of cops are well into the 6 figure income

 

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[Jarlaxle]

It's amazing what Cop Haters and Trump Haters can convince themselves of. That is totally absurd.

Cite your number s.

 

[BULLDOG]

Here’s the problem. We live in a country where there are ruthless drug gangs, armed to the teeth. They will and have on a moments notice Shot a cop with no chance for the cop to even defend himself. That’s the world that police officers are living in America.


That’s a fact, it simply cannot be denied. Your points are taken. And when it comes to having checks and balances on the law enforcement, sure that makes sense. But nobody can deny the danger of being a police officer in America. There is video evidence of this. Other countries don’t have this violent crime issue that America does. It’s much more dangerous to be a cop in America than it is in a number of western European countries for example. I know …speaking with cops from France. The worst they have had to encounter is having to talk down to somebody to calm them down.


Also to your point, we live in a backwards world where in the past few years law-enforcement agencies have been sued big-time and with success. Often for no valid reason we’re talking millions of dollars paid out to people where the so-called victim actually might have been in the wrong anyways.

It is extremely rare in America for a cop to abuse their power. But it is the media that blows out those individual cases way out of proportion. You don’t see them talking about Dad doctors as much do you. Doctors are in the most powerful positions people can control the life and death of patients…. Teachers are also in positions of power, but they are not under the scrutiny that police officers are.

What you describe is mostly for undercover cops in the movies. Yes, cops get killed, but it's not like it's an everyday event in every little town. Cops shoot people much more often than they get shot.

 

[initforme]

a lot of cops are well into the 6 figure income

So now instead of 100 k it's 200 k. Who'd fight that?

 

[progressive hunter]

So now instead of 100 k it's 200 k. Who'd fight that?

as long as you guys stop defending bad cops we can talk,,

 

[JGalt]

Yes, but they still should have a level of professionalism and decorum about it though.
Them viewing the public as all enemies is a bad thing.

The overwhelming majority of law-enforcement officers are very professional and courteous. But in that profession, it's very easy to adopt an attitude of "we versus them." That's why we call it a "thin blue line."

I've probably had more than my share of run-ins with the police in my younger days. I still remember one time when I was about 6 or 7 years old, my Dad pulled up next to a police station and told me "Those police are going to lock you up in their jail." I was terrified by that.

But my attitude about law-enforcement has changed since I've gotten older. Most people get nervous when they look in their rear view mirror and see a police car behind them. I just get a feeling of comfort, knowing that someone's out there protecting society from the bad guys and girls.

 

[PeterPilot]

Here’s the problem. We live in a country where there are ruthless drug gangs, armed to the teeth. They will and have on a moments notice Shot a cop with no chance for the cop to even defend himself. That’s the world that police officers are living in America.


That’s a fact, it simply cannot be denied. Your points are taken. And when it comes to having checks and balances on the law enforcement, sure that makes sense. But nobody can deny the danger of being a police officer in America. There is video evidence of this. Other countries don’t have this violent crime issue that America does. It’s much more dangerous to be a cop in America than it is in a number of western European countries for example. I know …speaking with cops from France. The worst they have had to encounter is having to talk down to somebody to calm them down.


Also to your point, we live in a backwards world where in the past few years law-enforcement agencies have been sued big-time and with success. Often for no valid reason we’re talking millions of dollars paid out to people where the so-called victim actually might have been in the wrong anyways.

It is extremely rare in America for a cop to abuse their power. But it is the media that blows out those individual cases way out of proportion. You don’t see them talking about Dad doctors as much do you. Doctors are in the most powerful positions people can control the life and death of patients…. Teachers are also in positions of power, but they are not under the scrutiny that police officers are.

Many books have been written about the societal harms caused by prohibition. Society and government did wisely repeal the Volstead Act after 14 years of experiencing the harm caused by prohibition. The same dynamics apply here. There would be no ruthless drug gangs if the illegitimate drug prohibition did not exist. The government has no lawful authority to tell the citizen what he may or may not put into his body.

There are countless examples over many decades of the prohibition corrupting the police forces. Because of the $ involved, and because cops are only human, many cops have become involved in the drug business. Pass all the laws you want to, they won't change that basic fact.

So your reasoning seems to be that because we won't repeal prohibition, it's OK to have the judiciary hold the police above the law. Sorry Andrew, that seems illogical as hell to me. The record clearly shows that since QI was concocted in 1967, things have only gone downhill for the relations between police and citizens.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Many books have been written about the societal harms caused by prohibition. Society and government did wisely repeal the Volstead Act after 14 years of experiencing the harm caused by prohibition. The same dynamics apply here. There would be no ruthless drug gangs if the illegitimate drug prohibition did not exist. The government has no lawful authority to tell the citizen what he may or may not put into his body.

There are countless examples over many decades of the prohibition corrupting the police forces. Because of the $ involved, and because cops are only human, many cops have become involved in the drug business. Pass all the laws you want to, they won't change that basic fact.

So your reasoning seems to be that because we won't repeal prohibition, it's OK to have the judiciary hold the police above the law. Sorry Andrew, that seems illogical as hell to me. The record clearly shows that since QI was concocted in 1967, things have only gone downhill for the relations between police and citizens.

Well, we can just go buy what each of us say… not assume.

My post said nothing about prohibition. But even before that organized crime existed all through the world in some manner… not to mention crime in general crimes committed by individuals.

There are of examples of teachers or doctors engaging in corrupt practices. But they are not on the scrutiny that police are. And that is hypocrisy. People keep making the argument that “police officers know what they’re signing up for”. Or “police officers are in positions of power they should be treated different”

Well same with doctors and teachers… arguably they are in a position of greater power compared to police officers. …but they’re not getting bombarded by the media with one sided stories about bad doctors or bad teachers.

No one is saying there are no corrupt cops. The thing is is the radical that has politicized anti-hatred in America. It truly is a shame. The overwhelming majority of police same thing with teachers and doctors are hard-working people.

Whatever the case is with the American past, we are where we are today in a society where gangbangers have guns and they’re gonna have them for a long time, regardless of which laws are held up or repealed. Points stand.

 

[PeterPilot]

Well, we can just go buy what each of us say… not assume.

My post said nothing about prohibition. But even before that organized crime existed all through the world in some manner… not to mention crime in general crimes committed by individuals.

There are of examples of teachers or doctors engaging in corrupt practices. But they are not on the scrutiny that police are. And that is hypocrisy. People keep making the argument that “police officers know what they’re signing up for”. Or “police officers are in positions of power they should be treated different”

Well same with doctors and teachers… arguably they are in a position of greater power compared to police officers. …but they’re not getting bombarded by the media with one sided stories about bad doctors or bad teachers.

No one is saying there are no corrupt cops. The thing is is the radical that has politicized anti-hatred in America. It truly is a shame. The overwhelming majority of police same thing with teachers and doctors are hard-working people.

Whatever the case is with the American past, we are where we are today in a society where gangbangers have guns and they’re gonna have them for a long time, regardless of which laws are held up or repealed. Points stand.

No, your post did not say a word about prohibition. Here in Zone 1 I was trying to find some rational public dialogue, and introduced the very relevant influence poor public policy of prohibition as it relates to how society relates to its police officers. I hope you're not offended, but you seem reluctant to discuss the subject. Maybe you are simply not aware of what we learned 100 years ago regarding the harms to all of society by such poor public policy?

 

[sartre play]

Bodycam: Trooper Shot & Killed, Patrol Car Stolen With Him Inside. Suspect Gets Shot By Deputies.​

There it is this state trooper pulled over to help out what he thought was a man in need. And all of a sudden, the suspect blew his brains out.

To think of the anti police attitude we have in the media. Sure there’s a few bad cops. Everyone knows there’s a few bad construction workers, there’s a few bad teachers in positions of power in positions of being in front of or presiding over children…. and there’s a few bad teachers does that mean you need some kind of a teachers reformation? No, it doesn’t for chrissake. There’s always gonna be bad eggs in every profession.


And to think of people who have no clue what they’re talking about complain about police officers… who think it’s cool to talk back to cops. Do not listen to a police officers rightful orders. Who call police officers “Nazis”. And they’re gonna continue to do it. They don’t give a darn about videos like the above and the proof that in America you have drug dealers and criminals armed to the teeth.

ITS a tough job, and I don't have enough answers on how to improve the situation,
Training, and improved recruitment would help.
Pay scale, could help.
willingness to believe there are some bad ones & weed them out.
like the rest of us they come in all types.

 

[candycorn]

Anti-Cop = Anti American. They risk their life everyday and have to deal with the scum of the Earth everyday. I couldn't do it and neither could you.

The 140 cops you attacked on 1/6…that was done by Anti-Americans right?

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

No, your post did not say a word about prohibition. Here in Zone 1 I was trying to find some rational public dialogue, and introduced the very relevant influence poor public policy of prohibition as it relates to how society relates to its police officers. I hope you're not offended, but you seem reluctant to discuss the subject. Maybe you are simply not aware of what we learned 100 years ago regarding the harms to all of society by such poor public policy?

You brought up prohibition kind of out of nowhere. I responded to it. And in light of what you said, my points still stand. No offense is taken.

The biggest point is the criminals will continue to have guns in American Society, regardless of what drug laws are upheld or repealed… cops have to face that danger at a moments notice they can get shot just like the video in the original post shows us. Gangs don’t just engage in violence based on the drug trade. The thug in the op video was a thug, prohibition or drug laws had nothing to do with him shooting the cop.

Cops have one of the most dangerous if not the most dangerous job in the entire country.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Bodycam: Trooper Shot & Killed, Patrol Car Stolen With Him Inside. Suspect Gets Shot By Deputies.​

There it is this state trooper pulled over to help out what he thought was a man in need. And all of a sudden, the suspect blew his brains out.

To think of the anti police attitude we have in the media. Sure there’s a few bad cops. Everyone knows there’s a few bad construction workers, there’s a few bad teachers in positions of power in positions of being in front of or presiding over children…. and there’s a few bad teachers does that mean you need some kind of a teachers reformation? No, it doesn’t for chrissake. There’s always gonna be bad eggs in every profession.


And to think of people who have no clue what they’re talking about complain about police officers… who think it’s cool to talk back to cops. Do not listen to a police officers rightful orders. Who call police officers “Nazis”. And they’re gonna continue to do it. They don’t give a darn about videos like the above and the proof that in America you have drug dealers and criminals armed to the teeth.

Correct, because America hasn't got a grip on guns like all the other comparable Western nations. The reason why Americans feel more guns are needed, is because of the situation they've created and want.

If you do what you've always done, you will get what you've always got. So until the 2nd is scrapped and proper laws/culture can start to bed in over the decades, the US will forever be a gun nut place.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

That's kind of a reality for anyone. You, for instance, CAN step outside tomorrow and be shot. Doesn't mean it'll happen. I'm inclined to think the statistics say that cops aren't particularly likely to be shot, probably because of the penalties associated with it.

 

[Dr.Know]

Its funny how these Ghetto women scream about "Defunding the Police" BUT when these idiots have a problem, the police are the first thing they call.

Possible solution : Tax people that WANT POLICE PROTECTION and those that dont want police protection do not pay the tax BUT they dont get any service either. " Sorry mam but your not a subscriber" good luck.

One major problem in the USA is that you can espouse insane ideas such as Defunding police or legalizing various crimes and not face any consequences. Most of the people spewing such ideas are either RICH and live in safe areas OR they are low life and are too stupid to understand what they are calling for.

Leftists say that cops have " Easy:" jobs and they would be right, because Leftists live in NICE AND SAFE AREAS where there is no crime. These mentally ill people RUN from the problems they create, thus destroying nice areas with their insane Utopian ideas . Then when "DIVERSITY" moves in by them,,their homes go up for sale the next day.
Cops that have to work in "Working Class" areas have it rough, they are always getting into physical fights with retards or chasing an AMISH youth through a city going over 100 mph.