The REAL Reason Folks are Fleeing Honduras....

[pismoe]

The FIX aint accepting their refugees. The FIX is international pressure to clean their political swamp..

Actually, it's both, when people face an extant threat that they can't just "wait out".

They'll be doing their disease-ridden waiting in TJ, if the Mexicans don't slaughter them first.

Nah, they will be processed for asylum.

And sent home...........2% get approved...........

-------------------------------------- you never know but I can't trust them . Watch them relax the criteria for the poor women that get beaten by their drunk husband and want asylum in the USA as a remedy . Or because of gangs or violence or because they are poor . And that 2 percent becomes 80 percent and then they gotta find a sympathetic waiver and remedy for the crying remaining 20 percent .

-------------------------------- and its true , they are government men , kings men working for money and perks so trust them at your peril .

 

[eagle1462010]

Actually, it's both, when people face an extant threat that they can't just "wait out".

They'll be doing their disease-ridden waiting in TJ, if the Mexicans don't slaughter them first.

Nah, they will be processed for asylum.

And sent home...........2% get approved...........

-------------------------------------- you never know but I can't trust them . ...

And who trusts you?

If they follow the letter of the law on Asylum very few will be accepted............economic refugee isn't qualification.

The problem isn't here...........It's there...........

 

[pismoe]

they can't be trusted , lets watch and see . Heck , a different thread has them being transported to the USA for medical care Eagle .

 

[eagle1462010]

they can't be trusted , lets watch and see . Heck , a different thread has them being transported to the USA for medical care Eagle .

Everyone going through the border is getting medically screened during the process. Some with diseases are being isolated.......and many have them coming from these poor countries.............

 

[pismoe]

they are in 'mexico; but are being treated in the USA at taxpayer expense . Next the asylum seekers and other riff raff will be coming to live in the USA in YOUR neighborhood . They have disease , let 'mexico' fix it Eagle .

 

[eagle1462010]

they are in 'mexico; but are being treated in the USA at taxpayer expense . Next the asylum seekers and other riff raff will be coming to live in the USA in YOUR neighborhood . They have disease , let 'mexico' fix it Eagle .

The law is the law................don't disagree there...........but the laws need to be fixed..........

Costing us a fortune at the border in the meantime.............

 

[pismoe]

the laws will never be fixed !!

 

[eagle1462010]

the laws will never be fixed !!

Not with the politicians we have now or have had...........they have no intention of fixing it...........they want the cheap labor.

 

[flacaltenn]

4) WhyTFuck is not the Trump Admin, the State Dept, the Homeland Security, The INS screaming bloody murder about this to the media and the American public? Why the silence as to magnitude of how the Honduran state cartel has INFILTRATED America?

Jesus H.

The entities you mention are not in the business of propagandizing the U.S. public to fuel anti-immigrant, anti-Honduran paranoia about "infiltration", or any such nonsense. So, the agency in charge published a press release outlining the relevant information about the case. Next, the case will go to court.

Surprisingly enough, even though it's the Trump administration, that's been done the way it should be, calmy, professionally, and without much or anything by way of a sensationalist side show.

Calmly? With a refugee stream of communists who lost an election at the border? The American people DESERVED to know WHY these folks are fleeing. And the absolute total corruption that makes VETTING people extremely difficult.

And the gloating Prez down there, issuing a press release boasting that he'll "do everything he can do to assure a fair trial"? That arse needs to be knocked down a peg. Actually, he needs an INTERNATIONAL dressing down and some REAL political competition. Publicly RIDICULING the rotating drug lord leadership they are stuck with down there is REQUIRED...

Sorry.. There's no reason to "respect the dignity" of scum like that.. And how else you gonna encourage the Guatemalan PEOPLE to resist this kind of drug trafficking tyranny?

 

[flacaltenn]

Honduras just held a presidential election that was similar to the Hillary fiasco. The choice was JOH (Hernandez) vs. a Marxist/Socialist-style wannabe president-for-life, Salvador Nasralla, who was backed by Cuba and Venezuela.

When JOH won, there was widespread rioting, burning, and looting. Honduras has always been pro-democracy.

And like all Latin American countries, as corrupt as the day is long.

That's the choice aint it? And the Venzuelan backed communist Libre party has been creating havoc since the military coup in 2009.. In fact, the organizer of these caravans, Bartolo Fuentes is a Libre party member and advocates for open borders.. It's more of the same mass demonstration marching up from Mexico as the violence in the streets of Honduras.. HENCE, the presence of those Haitian flags in the ranks of the caravans.

Caravan Activists Are Weaponizing Poor Central Americans

Just like the migrant caravan earlier this March, organizers of this march are weaponizing poor Central Americans. This caravan was organized by Bartolo Fuentes, a former Honduran legislator and member of the radical leftist Libre party. He was detained by Guatemalan authorities on Tuesday for illegally entering the country.

Libre is not a political party but a destabilizing movement. It was founded in 2011 by former President Manuel (Mel) Zelaya. In 2009, Zelaya was removed from power after repeated attempts to undermine the constitutional order and rule of law. Zelaya is an ally of socialist governments in Latin America like the Castro and Maduro regimes in Cuba and Venezuela.

Following Libre’s losses in the 2013 and 2017 presidential elections, Libre’s turned to a public campaign of generating turmoil and instability.

This caravan antic is right out of the left’s disorder and chaos playbook. The timing before the U.S.’s midterm elections and the change of presidency in Mexico is not coincidental. It is also clear the caravan organizers are more interested in creating turmoil than the well-being of the migrants.

Despite Trump's immediate threats to cut off funding to Honduras and Guatamala before the caravans even reached Mexico -- I found some interesting reasons why possibly, the Trump Admin is NOT publicly shaming Hernadez as he should be considering the 17 PREVIOUS arrests of former Honduras Lawmakers in the US, HERNADEZ's SISTER, and NOW his brother...


What's Behind the Central American Refugee Caravan Heading to the US Border?

Internationally, only the Trump administration has come out in full-throated support of the budding Honduran dictatorship. When Trump announced that the U.S. would move its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, Honduras was one of the few countries which not only applauded the move, but announced it would also move its embassy. Since that time two other authoritarian right-wing regimes, in Guatemala and Paraguay, have followed suit. U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley went out of her way to thank the Honduran regime for this move. The U.S. continues to provide the Honduran regime with funds, including for the training of police and military forces who are repressing the country’s population, in spite of the worry of many that by doing this, the U.S. is abetting brutal violations of human rights.

Trump is one that is loyal to paying back loyalty. And that Embassy move by Honduras and the neighbor pariah state Guatemala,, were a HUUUUGE win for him. And probably explains why we are STILL boosting up a narco drug lord dictator in that country.. Gotta Stop..

 

[flacaltenn]

Olde Europe

There's the reason I don't trust Trump. In that quote above about Honduras being the first to follow the US lead in moving their embassy to Jerusalem...

He called in a favor to El Presidente Drug Lord right wing dick-tator and got what he wanted to take the heat off of him. The "Art of the Deal" is usually more about Trump, than it is about what is what is right and proper for those "difficult situations"..

He also chicken-shitted out on the Patriot Act renewal. At 5AM the morning of the vote, he blasted off a scathing Tweeter indictment of how the FISA process was being abused and that safeguards HAD to be included in order for him to sign the renewal.. By 11AM -- "somebody" got to him and he publicly backed down on "doing the right thing" in THAT instance as well..

When it comes to his "winning" -- there's no real loyalty to integrity or principle..

 

[flacaltenn]

It's one of those S-Hole countries that the left thought were some kind of racist hallucination... The FIX aint accepting their refugees. The FIX is international pressure to clean their political swamp..

News you didn't get on major media..

Honduran president's brother arrested in Miami on drug charges | Reuters

TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - The brother of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez was arrested on Friday in the United States on drug trafficking charges, the Honduran government said on Friday.

Juan Antonio “Tony” Hernandez, a 40-year-old lawyer and former ruling party lawmaker, was arrested by U.S. authorities in Miami, the president’s office said in a statement.

The president’s brother is the latest in a string of prominent Hondurans, including three congressmen, who have been charged in the United States for involvement with drug trafficking.

“This is a heavy blow for the whole family,” the president told reporters in his hometown of Gracias, in western Honduras. “I hope the justice system gives him the room to defend himself, and as a family, we will do what we can to support him.”

Looks like the ruling "family business" is going to take a BIG HIT on their American market share..

For cripes sakes, dont dick around with refugee streams.. Work to FIX THE BASIC PROBLEM...

Legalize narcotics so that organized crime can’t corrupt weak institutions?

Because it’s American demand at the root of all this.

This is the effects of the retarded War on Drugs.

Yeah, consumption is PART of it. But the folks we are tossing into prison are paying a MUCH HIGHER PRICE than this narco-state business..

Same reason folks in the hood go after the money. It's EASIER than preparing for a career and working for it. That's the calculus here when whole RULING FAMILIES in these narco-states are in on the action. Why should they have to sit thru long boring trade negotiations and infra-structure planning meetings, when they can be the tools of the cartels and just collect royalties??

In reading about this -- it's a LONG series of corrupted leadership. That cycle has to be broken. The choices between drug cartel dictator tools and a commie drug state like Venezuela are not good choices. Instead of FLEEING as refugees, those people need help asserting their sovereignty.

 

[flacaltenn]

No. I want us to stop being bleeding hearts and allow these corrupt shitholes to waste lives. By TAKING massive refugee streams from these ShitHoles -- we're helping the corrupt POS like this Hernandez family.

No way I would threaten them militarily. The 1st step WOULD HAVE BEEN for this news to be TOP STORY on all major American media. Because without OBVIOUS knowledge of what's going on these countries that are causing this refugee stream, NO ONE should be arguing about asylum or how many to grant. That isn't even CLOSE to producing any change. But our broken "media" didn't like the flavor of this story. Would make Americans "too smart" about what ACTUALLY needs to happen.

You can't EMBARRASS these cretins if the media doesn't COVER IT. And EMBARRASSING them right now is a potent weapon. That and working with neighboring countries to CLOSE their borders or provide temporary refugee status to some of these people.

International attention ought to be LASER FOCUSED on this complete failure of governance down there. But CNN and MSNBC and the WashPo have MORE important things to do.

Pretty much every American with 2 brain cells knows that almost all the Central American countries are crooked... That's why these refugees leave. It could be on the news 24/7, but it would be about as useful as repeating water is wet.

And to deny those s holes people who want to make change by taking them in keeps those places s holes.

If those people stay there... they are either killed or become slaves to help them cultivate more drugs, or victims of human trafficking and sex slaves.

People with ambition need to help their nation. Imagine if all the Founding Fathers immigrated to Japan in 1750.

Big difference between ambition and a suicide mission. Most of the immigrants coming to the United States are women and children, not grown men. You really need to think before you post.

That's not true. These caravans are 70% or more young and middle age men.. And -- apparently heavily leaning towards Communism and revolution.

 

[flacaltenn]

No it isn't.

Actually it is. It's a shame that only UK papers are reporting on facts that the TDSyndrome US press won't print.


Kirstjen Nielsen agrees migrants ARE using children as 'human shields' | Daily Mail Online

U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen said late Monday night that some migrants at the U.S.-Mexico border have been using women and children as 'human shields' in clashes with federal agents, confirming what U.S. Border Patrol officers and their labor union claimed hours earlier.

And she said hundreds of convicted criminals including rapists and child abusers are known to be among the 'predominantly male' convoy of Central Americans who have set up camp in Tijuana, waiting to cross into California.

'It appears in some cases that the limited number of women and children in the caravan are being used by the organizers as “human shields” when they confront law enforcement,' Nielsen said in a statement posted on Facebook.

 

[flacaltenn]

It's one of those S-Hole countries that the left thought were some kind of racist hallucination... The FIX aint accepting their refugees. The FIX is international pressure to clean their political swamp..

News you didn't get on major media..

Honduran president's brother arrested in Miami on drug charges | Reuters

TEGUCIGALPA (Reuters) - The brother of Honduran President Juan Orlando Hernandez was arrested on Friday in the United States on drug trafficking charges, the Honduran government said on Friday.

Juan Antonio “Tony” Hernandez, a 40-year-old lawyer and former ruling party lawmaker, was arrested by U.S. authorities in Miami, the president’s office said in a statement.

The president’s brother is the latest in a string of prominent Hondurans, including three congressmen, who have been charged in the United States for involvement with drug trafficking.

“This is a heavy blow for the whole family,” the president told reporters in his hometown of Gracias, in western Honduras. “I hope the justice system gives him the room to defend himself, and as a family, we will do what we can to support him.”

Looks like the ruling "family business" is going to take a BIG HIT on their American market share..

For cripes sakes, dont dick around with refugee streams.. Work to FIX THE BASIC PROBLEM...

You know, I get it...............you don't want refugees coming here. But, your article isn't about refugees, it's about the brother of the president of the Honduras. And, chances are very good he didn't come here with the caravan, but rather came here on an authorized visa and passport.

You didn't follow along at all here. These are largely marginalized political DISSIDENTS of the commie persuasion who have GIVEN UP at a political solution after the last Hernandez stolen election last year. The organizers ARE the leftist coalition. And THAT'S why the Honduran flag is so prominent in the ranks of the refugees.

The choices are NOT good for them politically. That's not OUR problem. And we're HELPING Hernandez and his drug dealing family by TAKING THEM..

Counter-productive -- dont' ya think? That's NOT the real solution. Is it?

 

[basquebromance]

"The President of Honduras' brother was just busted on MASSIVE drug trafficking charges in Florida. One of his accomplices was Marco Rubio's brother-in-law. Marco Rubio has been lobbying for the US to continue giving millions in aid to Honduras. The whole thing stinks!"

 

[Olde Europe]

Publicly RIDICULING the rotating drug lord leadership they are stuck with down there [Honduras] is REQUIRED...

Yep, the U.S. should do that. Incidentally, the Trumpy should choose an international conference with many world leaders in attendance to do it. There are going to be quite a few among them with intact memories, able to recall how for many decades the U.S. installed and / or propped up right-wing autocrats and military dictatorships throughout Southern and Central America - including the some in Honduras. The audience sure will get a nice chuckle out of this. Another one, to be precise.

 

[Olde Europe]

Olde Europe

There's the reason I don't trust Trump. In that quote above about Honduras being the first to follow the US lead in moving their embassy to Jerusalem...

He called in a favor to El Presidente Drug Lord right wing dick-tator and got what he wanted to take the heat off of him. The "Art of the Deal" is usually more about Trump, than it is about what is what is right and proper for those "difficult situations"..

He also chicken-shitted out on the Patriot Act renewal. At 5AM the morning of the vote, he blasted off a scathing Tweeter indictment of how the FISA process was being abused and that safeguards HAD to be included in order for him to sign the renewal.. By 11AM -- "somebody" got to him and he publicly backed down on "doing the right thing" in THAT instance as well..

When it comes to his "winning" -- there's no real loyalty to integrity or principle..

It appears we agree, whoever expects - or so much as hopes for, at this point in time - "loyalty" from Trump would seem to be beyond help. When it should have been clear a long time ago that for Trump, loyalty flows one way, and one way only, and it is better to be delivered in the form of complete, abject submission to the narcissistic megalomaniac.

 

[Windparadox]

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This is precious, expect the US solve the very problem they created;

How US policy in Honduras set the stage for today’s migration

 

[karpenter]

Bullshit! My father came to this country from Czechoslovakia.

BullShit YOU
Czechs Weren't Today's Central Americans Are They
There Was No Welfare Or Social Security To Fleece
And There's A World Of Cultural Differences

All Immigrants Are Not Equal And The Same
Neither Is The Way They're Trying To Immigrate
These Are All Prog Lies Of Omission

If Democrats Are So Great
Why Do They Have To Endlessly Import More