Germany was never part of the United States. The Germans we fought were not Americans. Sorry, you're just not making your case.
Never said anything about "Germany being part of the United States". Go learn to read auf Englisch.
I didn't say you did. Did you miss that part? I'm pointing out why the confederacy is part of OUR history while the Nazis are part of GERMAN history, not American.
Once again, goalpost-mover, the question never was that "the Confederacy* was not part of our history". Of course it was. And a history that still rings in myriad ways.
(*proper nouns are capitalized auf Englisch. Und auch auf Deutsch)
The question started here:
I’ll start. Why do Cons want to save all these confederate statues ? Those guys were “democrats “ . So why, 150 years later , are republicans defend confederates and their flag?
It's not much of a question since Confederates were neither "democrats" nor "Democrats", but it certainly does not say the Confederacy wasn't part of our history. You just made that up, apparently because you can't read.
I made up nothing . At least once a week some con starts a thread says by the democrats were the party of slavery .
You cons are compulsive liars .
Evidence? It should be simple. Did the democrat party stand for or against slavery at the time of the civil war and during the aftermath?
The Democratic Party, like many parties pre-Civil War (including the Whigs which is what doomed them), took no particular position on Slavery, trying to placate both sides. In other words ignoring the problem hoping it would fix itself. As a result a whole lot of nothing got done leading up to the confrontation, by both Whigs and Democrats.
In the 1860 election campaign the South disrupted the Democratic convention (in Charleston SC) to the point where it had to be suspended and moved north. When it did it nominated Sen. Stephen Douglas as its candidate, who was still trying to placate both sides and predictably, pleased nobody. As a result Douglas placed dead last in the election in a field of four -- the South had run its own candidate John Breckinridge (who placed 2nd nationally) and the Constitutional Union Party (John Bell) -- an offshoot of the dying Whigs --- took 3rd place, winning Tennessee, Kentucky and Virginia. Breckinridge was pro-slavery, Bell, although he was a slaveowner himself, opposed the expansion of it.
Douglas won a total of one state (Missouri, a 'border' state) and a split electoral vote from New Jersey. But in the states that would soon become the Confederacy he got exactly the same number of EVs that Lincoln did, which was zero. Lincoln at least had the excuse that his name wasn't on ballots in the South.
Once that election was decided and Lincoln prevailed with the lowest popular vote percentage ever, due to the four-way race, Douglas worked with the President-elect to try to preserve the Union, going on a speaking tour in the South and, when that failed, advising Lincoln on how to fight them.
And then when Lincoln ran for re-election in 1864 he took a Democrat for a running mate, collectively calling themselves the National Union Party.
So no, it isn't that simple. Once again, False Dichotomy fails.
The Whigs fell apart specifically because they could not come to consensus about what to do with Slavery. Some were for it, others against it. The latter contingent generally joined the then-new Republican Party, which is why the RP became at the time the "party of big government". They got that legacy from the Whigs.
