The real Chinese threat is technological

[Hafar1014]

China is rapidly automating their manufacturing processes with robotics. About 5 to 6 times as fast as anyone else. While we are denigrating our engineers and scientists at the highest level, they are giving them the tools to innovate. And it is showing. Like most of the advanced world, China has an aging population and this is definitely the only way to maintain the wealth of a nation with an aging population. In the meantime we are trying to go back to the 19th century in energy and education. Here is an article on what our industry heads that have visited China are saying;

MSN

China has no internal economy and is 100% dependent on exports. There is a movement away firm Chinses products as they cant be trusted. Chinas economy is in decline

 

[Mushroom]

China is rapidly automating their manufacturing processes with robotics.

So what?

China is still no threat, they are not even up to the true capabilities of Japan sixty years ago or South Korea thirty years ago. They are literally just a "Xerox Nation", that has yet to actually make anything of interest themselves.

Quite literally everything they produce is a cheaper knock-off of something that somebody else made. Most of their military equipment is just locally made copies of older Soviet equipment. They make things cheaper, but nobody actually thinks that the things they make are better, and almost nothing they make is innovative.

 

[Mushroom]

No nation with nukes and means of delivery is a paper tiger.

That simply makes them a terrorist state then.

 

[Mushroom]

The Xinping Regime is obsessed with taking down the US and becoming the world's superpower.

The problem is, like so damned many countries they have no actual concept of what it is that actually makes the US a "Superpower".

Sure, the weapons help. But that is only the "tip of the iceberg".

In reality, it's four other things. The stable government with smooth transitions of power, being completely self-sufficient in all required raw materials, and not only being completely self-sufficient in the production of food but also being the largest food exporter on the planet. And to top all that off, having the most stable currency.

Because of those other things, that is what has made the US since the late 19th century a "superpower". And even before WWI, the US was finally starting to look outwards and got involved in wars in Asia and against Spain, and Europe started to take notice. During WWI Germany thought the US would not be significant, and to their regret tried to convince Mexico to attack them.

And the Tripartite Pact learned to their eternal regret that pissing off the US to the point they actually militarize was a fatal mistake.

But ultimately, the most powerful thing about the US can be summed up in one word. Food. It is the largest exporting nation on the planet when it comes to food, and in fact exports more than most continents. That is why any time somebody threatens the US with an embargo, they largely shrug. They can "tighten the belt" as they have multiple times, like during the multiple oil embargos.

But if they decided to stop exporting food, much of the world will starve.

And do not be fooled, China is the worlds largest food importer. If a full embargo was ever to go into place between the two nations, the US will actually not suffer all that much. But China will be right back in the "Great Chinese Famine" from the Great Leap Forward. But it will be many times worse, because their population is 30% higher, and their shift to urbanization means that the majority have no idea how to actually grow their own food.

 

[MarathonMike]

The problem is, like so damned many countries they have no actual concept of what it is that actually makes the US a "Superpower".

Sure, the weapons help. But that is only the "tip of the iceberg".

In reality, it's four other things. The stable government with smooth transitions of power, being completely self-sufficient in all required raw materials, and not only being completely self-sufficient in the production of food but also being the largest food exporter on the planet. And to top all that off, having the most stable currency.

Because of those other things, that is what has made the US since the late 19th century a "superpower". And even before WWI, the US was finally starting to look outwards and got involved in wars in Asia and against Spain, and Europe started to take notice. During WWI Germany thought the US would not be significant, and to their regret tried to convince Mexico to attack them.

And the Tripartite Pact learned to their eternal regret that pissing off the US to the point they actually militarize was a fatal mistake.

But ultimately, the most powerful thing about the US can be summed up in one word. Food. It is the largest exporting nation on the planet when it comes to food, and in fact exports more than most continents. That is why any time somebody threatens the US with an embargo, they largely shrug. They can "tighten the belt" as they have multiple times, like during the multiple oil embargos.

But if they decided to stop exporting food, much of the world will starve.

And do not be fooled, China is the worlds largest food importer. If a full embargo was ever to go into place between the two nations, the US will actually not suffer all that much. But China will be right back in the "Great Chinese Famine" from the Great Leap Forward. But it will be many times worse, because their population is 30% higher, and their shift to urbanization means that the majority have no idea how to actually grow their own food.

Excellent post. The US China relationship may be unprecedented in world history. We created the Commie-Capitalist hybrid that is modern China and have basically nurtured it over the decades to be our number one adversary as well as our number one customer. What you say is true about China not really knowing that they do not have the fundamentals to be world number one, but that won't stop them from trying to take us down any and every way they can.

 

[Mushroom]

What you say is true about China not really knowing that they do not have the fundamentals to be world number one

To see that, one simply has to look at what they actually "make".

There is a reason why I call China a "Xerox Nation". Can anybody actually tell me anything they themselves have "made" in the last 1,000 years that is required? How many people are sitting in line to buy the newest Chinese cell phone? How many are playing games on Chinese made video game consoles or computers?

And no, not simply manufactured. Because that in reality is all China is, a nation of manufacturers of things other people actually make. Nothing actually designed or originated in China is of interest to most of the world.

And the thing is, a nation does not have to remain in that position. Japan is a great example.

Before WWII, Japan was actually recognized as a world leader when it came to optics. And their cameras, microscopes, and other optical devices were actually in high demand. And during the war, their electronics industry really got going thanks to all the military contracts. And their military optics were still among the best in the world.

But after the war, their optics industry went back to making cameras. And their electronics industry started churning out things like radios. And until the 1950s, they were just like radios made in the US and other countries. They needed tubes, and were of average quality.

But then the Regency TR-1 Transistor Radio hit the market in 1954. This was the first commercial radio that dumped tubes and instead used six transistors. Japan saw this, and Sony hit the market the next year with the TR-55 which only used five transistors. And was not only smaller, it had an extended battery life.

And that was really the start of Japan not only taking an idea from another, but actively improving it. Not simply trying to churn out a cheaper product, but trying to actually engineer it better. And we can see that in the 1960s, as Sony got tired of the expense of paying RCA for the patents to their shadow mask technology for color television sets. So their engineers sat down and developed another standard which was compatible with the TV broadcast signals and "Trinitron" was born.

And Goldstar was the same in South Korea. Through the late 1990s, they were a well known line of "budget" electronics in the US. Mostly televisions, but domestically and in Asia for home appliances and even farm equipment like tractors.

But in 2002, they merged with another Korean company known as Lucky. Once again, mostly known in Asia for making chemical products like detergent and toothpaste. The company became known as "Lucky-Goldstar", but now most know of them as "LG". And they no longer make cheap televisions but are an industry leader in thin film transistors and LCD displays.

But China has made absolutely no attempt to make that jump. They are happy manufacturing things that others develop and seem to have no concern in actually creating their own goods. And if a trade war was to ever start, what are they going to do with all those factories making things for Apple, Dell, Microsoft, and a thousand other companies? All they can do is shut them down, because they themselves have no products they can actually make that they created internally to their country. And no market in which to sell them on the world stage.

Most are generally shocked when they learn that the largest selling "Game Systems" in China are literally unauthorized copes of the freaking NES and SNES from 30-40 years ago. And the most powerful "Computer" you can buy that is 100% made and designed in China is almost two decades out of date.

 

[MarathonMike]

To see that, one simply has to look at what they actually "make".

There is a reason why I call China a "Xerox Nation". Can anybody actually tell me anything they themselves have "made" in the last 1,000 years that is required? How many people are sitting in line to buy the newest Chinese cell phone? How many are playing games on Chinese made video game consoles or computers?

And no, not simply manufactured. Because that in reality is all China is, a nation of manufacturers of things other people actually make. Nothing actually designed or originated in China is of interest to most of the world.

And the thing is, a nation does not have to remain in that position. Japan is a great example.

Before WWII, Japan was actually recognized as a world leader when it came to optics. And their cameras, microscopes, and other optical devices were actually in high demand. And during the war, their electronics industry really got going thanks to all the military contracts. And their military optics were still among the best in the world.

But after the war, their optics industry went back to making cameras. And their electronics industry started churning out things like radios. And until the 1950s, they were just like radios made in the US and other countries. They needed tubes, and were of average quality.

But then the Regency TR-1 Transistor Radio hit the market in 1954. This was the first commercial radio that dumped tubes and instead used six transistors. Japan saw this, and Sony hit the market the next year with the TR-55 which only used five transistors. And was not only smaller, it had an extended battery life.

And that was really the start of Japan not only taking an idea from another, but actively improving it. Not simply trying to churn out a cheaper product, but trying to actually engineer it better. And we can see that in the 1960s, as Sony got tired of the expense of paying RCA for the patents to their shadow mask technology for color television sets. So their engineers sat down and developed another standard which was compatible with the TV broadcast signals and "Trinitron" was born.

And Goldstar was the same in South Korea. Through the late 1990s, they were a well known line of "budget" electronics in the US. Mostly televisions, but domestically and in Asia for home appliances and even farm equipment like tractors.

But in 2002, they merged with another Korean company known as Lucky. Once again, mostly known in Asia for making chemical products like detergent and toothpaste. The company became known as "Lucky-Goldstar", but now most know of them as "LG". And they no longer make cheap televisions but are an industry leader in thin film transistors and LCD displays.

But China has made absolutely no attempt to make that jump. They are happy manufacturing things that others develop and seem to have no concern in actually creating their own goods. And if a trade war was to ever start, what are they going to do with all those factories making things for Apple, Dell, Microsoft, and a thousand other companies? All they can do is shut them down, because they themselves have no products they can actually make that they created internally to their country. And no market in which to sell them on the world stage.

Most are generally shocked when they learn that the largest selling "Game Systems" in China are literally unauthorized copes of the freaking NES and SNES from 30-40 years ago. And the most powerful "Computer" you can buy that is 100% made and designed in China is almost two decades out of date.

Their paradigm is "lie, cheat and steal to number one". They have plundered our Universities for decades with their spies masquerading as students. They have made replica after replica of our weapon systems. They don't care a bit about innovation and will continue their long term quest to "surpass America".

 

[Mushroom]

They don't care a bit about innovation and will continue their long term quest to "surpass America".

And without innovation they will surpass nobody.

Building aircraft carriers not as capable as ones the US was making six decades ago and launching from them domestic copies of four decade old Soviet fighters is as big of a joke as it sounds. Even more so as they actually want the world to believe that shows they are a "Superpower".

 

[scruffy]

It may not be a household robot, but it sure knows its kung fu – the Unitree G1 shows major improvements in its moves

In its latest iteration, Kungfu Kid V6.0, the humanoid robot Unitree G1 demonstrates impressively smooth and precise martial arts movements, including complex routines and noticeably improved spin kicks. Compared to earlier footage, Unitree seems to have made substantial progress.

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[Old Rocks]

That simply makes them a terrorist state then.

Then the same could be said of the US.

 

[Old Rocks]

To see that, one simply has to look at what they actually "make".

There is a reason why I call China a "Xerox Nation". Can anybody actually tell me anything they themselves have "made" in the last 1,000 years that is required? How many people are sitting in line to buy the newest Chinese cell phone? How many are playing games on Chinese made video game consoles or computers?

And no, not simply manufactured. Because that in reality is all China is, a nation of manufacturers of things other people actually make. Nothing actually designed or originated in China is of interest to most of the world.

And the thing is, a nation does not have to remain in that position. Japan is a great example.

Before WWII, Japan was actually recognized as a world leader when it came to optics. And their cameras, microscopes, and other optical devices were actually in high demand. And during the war, their electronics industry really got going thanks to all the military contracts. And their military optics were still among the best in the world.

But after the war, their optics industry went back to making cameras. And their electronics industry started churning out things like radios. And until the 1950s, they were just like radios made in the US and other countries. They needed tubes, and were of average quality.

But then the Regency TR-1 Transistor Radio hit the market in 1954. This was the first commercial radio that dumped tubes and instead used six transistors. Japan saw this, and Sony hit the market the next year with the TR-55 which only used five transistors. And was not only smaller, it had an extended battery life.

And that was really the start of Japan not only taking an idea from another, but actively improving it. Not simply trying to churn out a cheaper product, but trying to actually engineer it better. And we can see that in the 1960s, as Sony got tired of the expense of paying RCA for the patents to their shadow mask technology for color television sets. So their engineers sat down and developed another standard which was compatible with the TV broadcast signals and "Trinitron" was born.

And Goldstar was the same in South Korea. Through the late 1990s, they were a well known line of "budget" electronics in the US. Mostly televisions, but domestically and in Asia for home appliances and even farm equipment like tractors.

But in 2002, they merged with another Korean company known as Lucky. Once again, mostly known in Asia for making chemical products like detergent and toothpaste. The company became known as "Lucky-Goldstar", but now most know of them as "LG". And they no longer make cheap televisions but are an industry leader in thin film transistors and LCD displays.

But China has made absolutely no attempt to make that jump. They are happy manufacturing things that others develop and seem to have no concern in actually creating their own goods. And if a trade war was to ever start, what are they going to do with all those factories making things for Apple, Dell, Microsoft, and a thousand other companies? All they can do is shut them down, because they themselves have no products they can actually make that they created internally to their country. And no market in which to sell them on the world stage.

Most are generally shocked when they learn that the largest selling "Game Systems" in China are literally unauthorized copes of the freaking NES and SNES from 30-40 years ago. And the most powerful "Computer" you can buy that is 100% made and designed in China is almost two decades out of date.

Damn but you are clueless. In just EV's China now leads the world. They are not only producing EV's that are comparable to Tesla's, but also EV's that are much less costly and built for their and others urban environment. Their solar industry is the world's leading in efficiency and production. Nobody else matches them in battery production and innovation. They are challenging the rest of the world in technological innovation.

 

[Mushroom]

Damn but you are clueless. In just EV's China now leads the world.

In manufacturing, sure. Nobody thinks of them as "world leaders" in anything meaningful in the technology.

Oh, and most of those they make are for domestic use. Tell me, how many are operating in the US? Or Canada? Or most anywhere outside of China?

They are not only producing EV's that are comparable to Tesla's

Well, there is one area they do have Tesla beat. They tend to explode more often than any other in the world. Yes, China is indeed the world leader... in having to deal with "thermal runaway". And this is nothing new, China has been battling failures of their batteries for well over a decade and a half now.

This was the cause of all those "cell phone fires" a few years ago, and akin to the "Capacitor Failure" a great many industries went through about two decades ago.

I am actually not clueless, I actually understand the issues at play here. And you do not and are once again simply pushing propaganda.

 

[Nobody911]

Quantum‑accelerated AI could be a game changer between America and China, but only if and when persistent technical breakthroughs (scalable, fault‑tolerant qubits or clear, repeatable quantum advantage for AI tasks) are achieved. Until then, benefits will be incremental and domain‑specific.

## How it could be a game changer

• Strategic advantages: faster drug/materials discovery, superior optimization for logistics and supply chains, improved cryptanalysis, and new ML algorithms that classical systems can’t match.
• Economic/industrial shift: dominance in quantum‑AI services could create new high‑value industries and lock in market leadership through platforms and talent.
• Military/intelligence impact: faster simulation and optimization, plus potential cryptographic risks, would change capabilities and deterrence calculations.

## Conditions that determine impact

• Technical milestones needed: error correction, qubit scaling, and demonstration of quantum advantage on AI‑relevant problems.
• Ecosystem: hardware + software + talent + supply chains and commercial cloud access.
• Policy and defense: export controls, post‑quantum cryptography, and international collaboration will shape how advantages translate to geopolitical power.

## Likely timeline and nature of change

• Short term (0–5 years): incremental, niche wins; research and hybrid classical‑quantum experiments.
• Medium term (5–15 years): possible significant advantages if error correction and scale arrive — otherwise continued competition across specialized domains.
• Long term (>15 years): large impacts if practical fault‑tolerant quantum computing is achieved.

## Bottom line
Quantum AI can be a genuine game changer, but only under plausible technical and ecosystem breakthroughs. Until then, expect intense competition with important but mostly domain‑specific advantages rather than an immediate wholesale reshaping of power.

 

[Dekster]

Chinese robots making munitions=bad
Chinese robots making Barbie Dreamhouses=whatever