The Problem with Barack Obama... to me...

[Immanuel]

Never, ever have I heard an officer (and I served with 01s to 09s for many years) use that term in any way, shape, or form. Rarely did one hear the n-word in my Army. That continued only until the first blanket party from one's peers. In my units we simply did not tolerate such counter-productive behavior detrimental to the good order and discipline of the service.

Any officer who used such terminology could be punished administratively or by court martial.

Any officer who used such terminology could be punished administratively or by court martial.

wow....didn't know that

No need for that type of talk in the service. You want to get a person because s/he's a jerk, there are legitmate ways to do that. I remember a full bull by the name of ____ who was forced to retire when his subordinate officers and NCOs (including the CSM) made very sure that he could not make it to Brigadier General.

The only problem with this discussion is that Maineman never said he used the term while in the service or that he has ever used it anywhere but on the internet.

If he were anywhere near being a decent officer he would never use that term or any similar racial term while serving his country simply because of the adverse effects it would have on morale in his unit or on ship. But to my knowledge, he never said he used it in his personal life. If he did use it while serving, I'd have to believe that he did not have the respect of the men that served under him.

Immie

 

[maineman]

Never, ever have I heard an officer (and I served with 01s to 09s for many years) use that term in any way, shape, or form. Rarely did one hear the n-word in my Army. That continued only until the first blanket party from one's peers. In my units we simply did not tolerate such counter-productive behavior detrimental to the good order and discipline of the service.

Any officer who used such terminology could be punished administratively or by court martial.

wow....didn't know that

No need for that type of talk in the service. You want to get a person because s/he's a jerk, there are legitmate ways to do that. I remember a full bull by the name of ____ who was forced to retire when his subordinate officers and NCOs (including the CSM) made very sure that he could not make it to Brigadier General.

The only problem with this discussion is that Maineman never said he used the term while in the service or that he has ever used it anywhere but on the internet.

If he were anywhere near being a decent officer he would never use that term or any similar racial term while serving his country simply because of the adverse effects it would have on morale in his unit or on ship. But to my knowledge, he never said he used it in his personal life. If he did use it while serving, I'd have to believe that he did not have the respect of the men that served under him.

Immie

you are, or course, absolutely right, Immie. I never called anyone by anything other than their name or their rank while on active duty. I only use that term with yurt because he gets so pissy about it... and I wouldn't even do that if he hadn't been the guy who stalked me on the internet and discovered my real name and my place of employment and posted it on a public message board. For a guy who is, in reality, such an evil amoral little prick, he can play the "poor put upon victim" better than anyone I have EVER seen online.... he makes TOBY seem like a saint.

 

[Yurt]

immie....you know what his profesion is now and i can't believe you defend his slur in light of that.....

especially you immie....and you know full well he has constantly claimed he had the same "salty" mouth while serving and that he actually uses his service in the navy to defend his salty language...

didn't expect this from you

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, while I was in the military, Of course I have to admit that was usually coming from either Drill Sergeants or after I was a Sergeant from the lower enlisted. Though I'm sure some of it came from certain Officers also.The military was not a church social.

 

[maineman]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, while I was in the military, Of course I have to admit that was usually coming from either Drill Sergeants or after I was a Sergeant from the lower enlisted. Though I'm sure some of it came from certain Officers also.The military was not a church social.

I never called any sailor any racial perjorative term...ever. I said "****" and "shit" every other sentence, perhaps, but I treated my sailors with the utmost of respect....and they treated me the same way. I've been retired for 16 years and I STILL get visits from former enlisted sailors who worked for me.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, while I was in the military, Of course I have to admit that was usually coming from either Drill Sergeants or after I was a Sergeant from the lower enlisted. Though I'm sure some of it came from certain Officers also.The military was not a church social.

I never called any sailor any racial perjorative term...ever. I said "****" and "shit" every other sentence, perhaps, but I treated my sailors with the utmost of respect....and they treated me the same way. I've been retired for 16 years and I STILL get visits from former enlisted sailors who worked for me.

Small world, I too have now been retired 16 years. 1971 -1993

 

[maineman]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, while I was in the military, Of course I have to admit that was usually coming from either Drill Sergeants or after I was a Sergeant from the lower enlisted. Though I'm sure some of it came from certain Officers also.The military was not a church social.

I never called any sailor any racial perjorative term...ever. I said "****" and "shit" every other sentence, perhaps, but I treated my sailors with the utmost of respect....and they treated me the same way. I've been retired for 16 years and I STILL get visits from former enlisted sailors who worked for me.

Small world, I too have now been retired 16 years. 1971 -1993

72-93 for me.... plus four years at boat school

 

[Yurt]

Never, ever have I heard an officer (and I served with 01s to 09s for many years) use that term in any way, shape, or form. Rarely did one hear the n-word in my Army. That continued only until the first blanket party from one's peers. In my units we simply did not tolerate such counter-productive behavior detrimental to the good order and discipline of the service.

No need for that type of talk in the service. You want to get a person because s/he's a jerk, there are legitmate ways to do that. I remember a full bull by the name of ____ who was forced to retire when his subordinate officers and NCOs (including the CSM) made very sure that he could not make it to Brigadier General.

The only problem with this discussion is that Maineman never said he used the term while in the service or that he has ever used it anywhere but on the internet.

If he were anywhere near being a decent officer he would never use that term or any similar racial term while serving his country simply because of the adverse effects it would have on morale in his unit or on ship. But to my knowledge, he never said he used it in his personal life. If he did use it while serving, I'd have to believe that he did not have the respect of the men that served under him.

Immie

you are, or course, absolutely right, Immie. I never called anyone by anything other than their name or their rank while on active duty. I only use that term with yurt because he gets so pissy about it... and I wouldn't even do that if he hadn't been the guy who stalked me on the internet and discovered my real name and my place of employment and posted it on a public message board. For a guy who is, in reality, such an evil amoral little prick, he can play the "poor put upon victim" better than anyone I have EVER seen online.... he makes TOBY seem like a saint.

all lies...

reality = maineman banned at two other boards, banned at this board twice, at least, for doing what he falsely alleges i have done.....he stalked me, hence why he keeps mentioning "bed and breakfast" stuff and calling me a jewboy....because he thinks he stalked my workplace.....

projection at its finest.....

 

[Yurt]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, while I was in the military, Of course I have to admit that was usually coming from either Drill Sergeants or after I was a Sergeant from the lower enlisted. Though I'm sure some of it came from certain Officers also.The military was not a church social.

fair enough.....

do you then support maineman calling me a jewboy?

 

[RadiomanATL]

 

[JW Frogen]

Seems to me I've been called every name in the book with a few made up just for me, .

Have you ever been called a cock loving **** sucking parrot ******* two ball *****?

I am not saying you are one, I am just saying there are a lot on great insults out there.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

We have at least two more years before we start to withdraw troops. He never said anything close to he would not rest until it was won.....you are making that up

Victory is defined as Afhanistan defending itself. If they cannot build the capability to control their own country after more than ten years they never will

When Bush pulled troops to attack Iraq...was that "cut and run"??

You don't know what you're talking about.

Afghanistan was mostly a Special Op war. Green Berets directing indigenous forces to defeat the Taliban.

It worked marvelously.

We've been slowly building up our forces in Afghanistan since the war was won but not fast enough for dickheads like Obama who claimed for years that Afghanistan was the place we should be...not Iraq. He said Afghanistan had to be won in his first couple of months in office. Now he's worried about the costs and the political damage it's causing him. Personally I think we should pull out now. And I say this because I know Obama doesn't have the stomach for it.

He never wanted to win. He just wanted to wait for the opportunity to leave. But he talked like a bad-ass when it was easy to do. Now he has a real problem and his solution is half-assed and will end up in nothing but a huge cost in lives and dollars.

Oh My God!

Are you serious? Don't you realize we had the Taliban defeated and driven out of the provinces? By pulling our regular troops Bush allowed the Taliban to reestablish itself.

Obama wouldn't have to reclaim lost ground if Bush had not given it back to the Taliban

There you go again...you lying sack of shit!!!!!!!

trying to rewrite history in the moonbat left wing loon vision are you?

PROVEN FACT: THE TROOP LEVELS INCREASED STEADILY OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN.

Got that shitbird!!!!!!!?????

and Obama isn't going to reclaim SHIT you ******* liar!!!! He's going to occupy population centers and "Afghanistanize" the war. A failed strategy from Viet Nam being played out in Afghanistan...we will see what happens.

 

[MajikMyst]

You don't know what you're talking about.

Afghanistan was mostly a Special Op war. Green Berets directing indigenous forces to defeat the Taliban.

It worked marvelously.

We've been slowly building up our forces in Afghanistan since the war was won but not fast enough for dickheads like Obama who claimed for years that Afghanistan was the place we should be...not Iraq. He said Afghanistan had to be won in his first couple of months in office. Now he's worried about the costs and the political damage it's causing him. Personally I think we should pull out now. And I say this because I know Obama doesn't have the stomach for it.

He never wanted to win. He just wanted to wait for the opportunity to leave. But he talked like a bad-ass when it was easy to do. Now he has a real problem and his solution is half-assed and will end up in nothing but a huge cost in lives and dollars.

Oh My God!

Are you serious? Don't you realize we had the Taliban defeated and driven out of the provinces? By pulling our regular troops Bush allowed the Taliban to reestablish itself.

Obama wouldn't have to reclaim lost ground if Bush had not given it back to the Taliban

There you go again...you lying sack of shit!!!!!!!

trying to rewrite history in the moonbat left wing loon vision are you?

PROVEN FACT: THE TROOP LEVELS INCREASED STEADILY OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN.

Got that shitbird!!!!!!!?????

and Obama isn't going to reclaim SHIT you ******* liar!!!! He's going to occupy population centers and "Afghanistanize" the war. A failed strategy from Viet Nam being played out in Afghanistan...we will see what happens.

For Afghanistan, troops in-country grew gradually from 5,200 in FY2002 to 20,400 in FY2006. Between FY2006 and FY2008, average strength there jumped by another 10,000 to 30,100. Under the Administration’s plans, CRS estimates that average monthly Boots on the Ground in Afghanistan may increase to 50,700 in FY2009 with a further increase to 63,500 the following year once all new units are in place.

So from 2002 to 2006 we went from 5000 to 20,000?? How many were used in the invasion?? How many were pulled for the 130,000 invasion force for Iraq in 2003??

In either case.. 5000 to 10,000 troops wasn't enough to hold much of the ground we had taken in the original invasion.. So yes.. There will be some retaking on lost ground thanks to the neglect of Bush..

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R40682.pdf

Sorry Patek.. Wrong again as usual.. I know I know.. Give me some bad rep cause I stomped you again and stole your name... Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Oh My God!

Are you serious? Don't you realize we had the Taliban defeated and driven out of the provinces? By pulling our regular troops Bush allowed the Taliban to reestablish itself.

Obama wouldn't have to reclaim lost ground if Bush had not given it back to the Taliban

There you go again...you lying sack of shit!!!!!!!

trying to rewrite history in the moonbat left wing loon vision are you?

PROVEN FACT: THE TROOP LEVELS INCREASED STEADILY OVER THE LAST 8 YEARS WE HAVE BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN.

Got that shitbird!!!!!!!?????

and Obama isn't going to reclaim SHIT you ******* liar!!!! He's going to occupy population centers and "Afghanistanize" the war. A failed strategy from Viet Nam being played out in Afghanistan...we will see what happens.

For Afghanistan, troops in-country grew gradually from 5,200 in FY2002 to 20,400 in FY2006. Between FY2006 and FY2008, average strength there jumped by another 10,000 to 30,100. Under the Administration’s plans, CRS estimates that average monthly Boots on the Ground in Afghanistan may increase to 50,700 in FY2009 with a further increase to 63,500 the following year once all new units are in place.

So from 2002 to 2006 we went from 5000 to 20,000?? How many were used in the invasion?? How many were pulled for the 130,000 invasion force for Iraq in 2003??

In either case.. 5000 to 10,000 troops wasn't enough to hold much of the ground we had taken in the original invasion.. So yes.. There will be some retaking on lost ground thanks to the neglect of Bush..

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/R40682.pdf

Sorry Patek.. Wrong again as usual.. I know I know.. Give me some bad rep cause I stomped you again and stole your name... Don't you ever get tired of being wrong?

Stole my name....what the **** are you babbling about douche bag? My user name is world famous in the blogosphere and I have been the sole user of it for 4 years.

and ...your stupidity is evident in the ignorance you post daily....as you can plainly see the troop levels did in fact rise so how can troops be "pulled" for the invasion of Iraq?

Now please...either shut the **** up or post facts...don't be a whiny ***** and start acting like an adult instead of sending me whiny PM's complaining about the neg rep I gave you AFTER you hit me.

Don't you ever get tired of having mudholes stomped into your cyber ass daily?

 

[JakeStarkey]

PatekPhillippe is certainly known for being generally wrong, as demonstrated here. (1) The troops committed in Afghanistan were certainly not enough. (2) Special OPs forces and helicopter units were redeployed for the Iraq invasion; these units are essential to fighting the bad guys in Afghanistan. (3) Obama's policy will be to hold the capitol city and important sites in the country, not "defeat" the bad guys, because the U.S. can no longer do that.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

In either case.. 5000 to 10,000 troops wasn't enough to hold much of the ground we had taken in the original invasion.. So yes.. There will be some retaking on lost ground thanks to the neglect of Bush..

and this statement is indicative of your ignorance of military operations. In the initial invasion of Afghanistan there were only about 1500 troops...that's it you imbecile...1500. In 2002 the levels gradually grew. So how could 10,000-15,000 MORE troops in 2006 and 25,000 more troops in 2008 hold less ground than 1500 troops used in the initial invasion in 2001? What about our allies? What was their contribution? Do you even know that we had allies? What exactly is your educational level?

Now you wonder why you are stuck in a dead end life with no hope of ever accomplishing anything meaningful. I'll give you some advice...go back to school and educate yourself so you can hold conversations with adults.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

PatekPhillippe is certainly known for being generally wrong, as demonstrated here. (1) The troops committed in Afghanistan were certainly not enough. (2) Special OPs forces and helicopter units were redeployed for the Iraq invasion; these units are essential to fighting the bad guys in Afghanistan. (3) Obama's policy will be to hold the capitol city and important sites in the country, not "defeat" the bad guys, because the U.S. can no longer do that.

and here we have the message board's village idiot chime in......

 

[JakeStarkey]

PatekPhillippe demonstrates above an absolutely lack of capacity to understand military operations and requirements. The general commanding has asked for tens of thousands of troops. He has done so for obvious reasons. That PP does not understand is irrelevant.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

PatekPhillippe demonstrates above an absolutely lack of capacity to understand military operations and requirements. The general commanding has asked for tens of thousands of troops. He has done so for obvious reasons. That PP does not understand is irrelevant.

and the village idiot still doesn't acknowledge that he's a dumb ass. He probably thinks the troop request came through in 2002 when actually it came about 6 weeks ago. After all...the village idiot cannot remember anything prior to January 21, 2001.

 

[Immanuel]

immie....you know what his profesion is now and i can't believe you defend his slur in light of that.....

especially you immie....and you know full well he has constantly claimed he had the same "salty" mouth while serving and that he actually uses his service in the navy to defend his salty language...

didn't expect this from you

Actually, I am not defending the slur. I despise it. I very much dislike that he uses it. I think it is below his station in life 1) as a retired officer in the U.S. Navy, 2) as a Christian and 3) as a minister even a "reserve" minister. I have made that statement on other boards many times.

I, myself, would never use it even on the internet no matter how vile you were to me.

One reason, I would not use it, is that I feel what I type here reflects on me as a person. Most people know that I am a Christian so when I fail by using racial slurs or by getting pissed off and fighting with people here (and I have done that) it reflects upon the Body of Christ. In fact, it reflects more on the Body of Christ than it does on me because no one here knows me personally, but they see me as another one of those hypocritical Christians who proclaim to be a saint, yet is no better than they are, if not worse.

I'm no "saint". I have my failings. I'm sure as heck not perfect... and neither is Maineman. I don't have to agree with the things that he does and in this case, I don't. But, as a fellow poster on a message board, I enjoy discussing things with him. I feel he brings interesting points of views to the discussions (although somewhat biased) and sometimes he even teaches me a thing or two as well. But, I see his use of that slur as a flaw in him. I also know that when a poster such as myself treats him respect he returns the favor.

It is also evident that Maineman does not use that slur for anyone but you and the battle between he and you has been going on for years. Sometimes one must wonder if the two of you aren't best of friends just joking around all the time. Laughing at how others react to your "battle".

But the point was that just because he uses it here on the internet does not mean that he uses it in his real life. One would hope not.

Immie