The Politics of Supporting or Attacking Sgts in Captivity

[Dante]

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


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[The Rabbi]

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


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I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

 

[PratchettFan]

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


more...

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

 

[occupied]

The politics surrounding this chain of events proves a couple of things, conservatives love war yet do not have the desire to deal with the toll it takes on soldiers and that they would smear anyone, even soldiers, to score hit points on the president. It's useless to discuss the particulars of why Bergdahl walked away because we still do not really know but ignorance of the facts does not stop some from making up their minds already.

 

[FJO]

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


more...

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

There is no evidence that Sgt, Themoressi broke any Mexican law willingly.

He was captured by the enemy, namely the Mexican bastards who can't seem to accept the fact that they lost in spite of whatever happened at the Alamo.

These corrupt bastards aim for a "Reconquista" of the lands they lost due to their own stupidity. They want to take advantage of the life style which they never attained, or could ever attain, again due to their own stupidity. These corrupt bastards send their own to sneak over the border because due to their own stupidity they can not provide a decent living to their own citizens, in spite of the God given natural resources, the profits from which, they learned to steal from them.

President Obama should do the right thing, just as he did with ISIS/AlQaeda:
Exchange about 12 million illegals for a true American patriot.

 

[PratchettFan]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

There is no evidence that Sgt, Themoressi broke any Mexican law willingly.

He was captured by the enemy, namely the Mexican bastards who can't seem to accept the fact that they lost in spite of whatever happened at the Alamo.

These corrupt bastards aim for a "Reconquista" of the lands they lost due to their own stupidity. They want to take advantage of the life style which they never attained, or could ever attain, again due to their own stupidity. These corrupt bastards send their own to sneak over the border because due to their own stupidity they can not provide a decent living to their own citizens, in spite of the God given natural resources, the profits from which, they learned to steal from them.

President Obama should do the right thing, just as he did with ISIS/AlQaeda:
Exchange about 12 million illegals for a true American patriot.

So you do accept the fact that he did break Mexican law, in Mexico. You just don't think the Mexican government has the right to their own laws or to enforcing them. At least not without our permission.

By all means, let's take your approach. That will pretty much guarantee the man will never see the light of day again.

 

[ogibillm]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

There is no evidence that Sgt, Themoressi broke any Mexican law willingly.

He was captured by the enemy, namely the Mexican bastards who can't seem to accept the fact that they lost in spite of whatever happened at the Alamo.

These corrupt bastards aim for a "Reconquista" of the lands they lost due to their own stupidity. They want to take advantage of the life style which they never attained, or could ever attain, again due to their own stupidity. These corrupt bastards send their own to sneak over the border because due to their own stupidity they can not provide a decent living to their own citizens, in spite of the God given natural resources, the profits from which, they learned to steal from them.

President Obama should do the right thing, just as he did with ISIS/AlQaeda:
Exchange about 12 million illegals for a true American patriot.

too funny. the battle at the alamo was a defeat for the texan forces.

 

[The Rabbi]

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


more...

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion. There also exists evidence he sympathised with the Taliban. I also suspect that he is an agent of the Taliban and this was an elaborate ruse to get the 5 terrorists back. You are not AWOL by abandoning your base in a war zone.

 

[ogibillm]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion. There also exists evidence he sympathised with the Taliban. I also suspect that he is an agent of the Taliban and this was an elaborate ruse to get the 5 terrorists back. You are not AWOL by abandoning your base in a war zone.

says you. the army will be using the legal definition though, and not the rabbi's.

 

[FJO]

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

There is no evidence that Sgt, Themoressi broke any Mexican law willingly.

He was captured by the enemy, namely the Mexican bastards who can't seem to accept the fact that they lost in spite of whatever happened at the Alamo.

These corrupt bastards aim for a "Reconquista" of the lands they lost due to their own stupidity. They want to take advantage of the life style which they never attained, or could ever attain, again due to their own stupidity. These corrupt bastards send their own to sneak over the border because due to their own stupidity they can not provide a decent living to their own citizens, in spite of the God given natural resources, the profits from which, they learned to steal from them.

President Obama should do the right thing, just as he did with ISIS/AlQaeda:
Exchange about 12 million illegals for a true American patriot.

too funny. the battle at the alamo was a defeat for the texan forces.

Indeed, too funny.

Reconcile what you highlighted in my post with what you say in your response.

Sure, the Mexicans won at the Alamo, but - unless I am mistaken - Texas still belongs to the United States of America.

Mexicans have richly earned their reputation as STUPID.

And so have you.

 

[Katzndogz]

Bergdahl, deserter, supported by liberals.
Tahmooressi, made a wrong turn, condemned by liberals.

Who intended to do the most harm to Americans? Now you have the answer to why liberals support Bergdahl.

 

[PratchettFan]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion. There also exists evidence he sympathised with the Taliban. I also suspect that he is an agent of the Taliban and this was an elaborate ruse to get the 5 terrorists back. You are not AWOL by abandoning your base in a war zone.

No, it isn't. It really doesn't matter what you suspect. That is why we have law courts. You know, the right to a fair trial? Or should we just set that aside because you have suspicions.

 

[The Rabbi]

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion. There also exists evidence he sympathised with the Taliban. I also suspect that he is an agent of the Taliban and this was an elaborate ruse to get the 5 terrorists back. You are not AWOL by abandoning your base in a war zone.

No, it isn't. It really doesn't matter what you suspect. That is why we have law courts. You know, the right to a fair trial? Or should we just set that aside because you have suspicions.

You were saying the same about George Zimmerman, right?
Yes, a solider in a war zone who leaves his weapon and armor and walks away is a deserter. Period. There is no other explanation.

 

[Dante]

The Rabbi

Sgt. Andrew Tahmooressi versus Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl

Tahmooressi not active duty. Civilian. Held by civilians because he broke laws.

Bergdahl active duty. In a war zone. Held by US enemy because he got captured while on an unauthorized absence from his post.


more...

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

An administrative hearing and not FOX News/Right Wing Noise Machine will decide what term to use. You really need to stop playing soldier/officer.

 

[Dante]

[MENTION=36693]FJO[/MENTION]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

There is no evidence that Sgt, Themoressi broke any Mexican law willingly.

He was captured by the enemy, namely the Mexican bastards who can't seem to accept the fact that they lost in spite of whatever happened at the Alamo.

These corrupt bastards aim for a "Reconquista" of the lands they lost due to...

President Obama should do the right thing, just as he did with ISIS/AlQaeda:
Exchange about 12 million illegals for a true American patriot.

Actually there is: lost of it


Red above is

Magenta is double

 

[Dante]

Ignorance of the law is not a defense.

 

[Dante]

I should have just let this troll thread die.

Bergdahl deserted his post and went over to the enemy. He is a traitor. Characterizing that as "unauthorized absence from his post" is itself a lie.
Tahmooressi made a small error and the US government won't help him.

Your understanding of military law is defective. It is possible he was AWOL, but desertion requires that he intended to make that permanent. Until such time as he is tried, that has not been determined. He did not go over to the enemy. He was captured and held as a prisoner. There is absolutely no evidence to support that allegation. Finally, treason is specifically defined in the Constitution. There is no evidence at all to support that charge.

What the man's true crime was was being freed as part of a negotiation by the current administration. If Mr. Tahmooressi were freed in a like manner the people who are now crying for his release would be crying for his head.

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion.

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you may want to fact check your imbecilic postings before you hit "Submit Reply"

 

[Dante]

[MENTION=33658]Katzndogz[/MENTION]

Bergdahl, deserter, supported by liberals.
Tahmooressi, made a wrong turn, condemned by liberals.

Who intended to do the most harm to Americans? Now you have the answer to why liberals support Bergdahl.

Being a 'liberal' I am obligated to say: "Not knowing all the facts with any certainty, and not being able to read minds (like you and others evidently believe you can), I must object to what appears to be a spell of imbecility on your part."

1) Who says either or both intended harm to 'Americans'?

2) Who says Sgt Bergdahl is a 'deserter' and is that a generalized phrase or a matter of fact decided by the us military code of justice?

3) Who says "Tahmooressi, made a wrong turn"?

4) How does viewing Tahmooressi's initial claim that he 'made a wrong turn' as being a lie equate condemning him and condemning him in what way?

5) Can one believe Tahmooressi lied yet still support fair justice and a return of him after the facts are all known?

6) Who says all liberals support or condemn either man?

 

[Dante]

He left his weapon and body armor and walked off the base. That is an act of desertion. There also exists evidence he sympathised with the Taliban. I also suspect that he is an agent of the Taliban and this was an elaborate ruse to get the 5 terrorists back. You are not AWOL by abandoning your base in a war zone.

No, it isn't. It really doesn't matter what you suspect. That is why we have law courts. You know, the right to a fair trial? Or should we just set that aside because you have suspicions.

You were saying the same about George Zimmerman, right?
Yes, a solider in a war zone who leaves his weapon and armor and walks away is a deserter. Period. There is no other explanation.

Dante the great usmb Liberal supported Zimmerman then and now. George is a frigging tool, but was within his rights. He overreacted but so what...he took a human life. Let him live with that. As for you -- get a life of your own and you will not have such an intense need to attach your pathetic self to the likes of George Zimmerman

 

[blackhawk]

One for whatever the reason abandoned his post in a war zone the other took a wrong turn into Mexico I'm more apt to be sympathetic to the one who made the wrong turn over the one who left his post. The one who made the wrong turn has more than paid for that mistake the military will decide the fate of the one who abandoned his post.