The Politics of General Patton

[NYcarbineer]

Yep, there was a lot of killing during WWII, but at the time most Americans seemed mostly concerned about the number of Americans being killed. Call us selfish if you will.

Patton posed no problem, Ike kept him pretty much under lock and key.

Fortunate that we didn't go to war with the Soviets as Patton suggested at the time.....the T-34 was superior to the Sherman and the IS-2 would have defeated the new Pershing tanks.

Irrelevant.

US Army Air power would have turned Soviet armor into target practice. They would have cried "unfair" all day and night, but they'd still be smoking heaps on the battlefield

What do you suppose the Soviet Air Force would be doing? They defeated the other half of the Luftwaffe.

We can debate back and forth, but the real issue was that FDR was a sock puppet for Stalin and allowed the enslavement of hundreds of millions of people to Soviet Communism.

That is nonsensical and you know it.

It's the truth. FDR was all but a Soviet satellite. The entire prosecution of the war including setting the USA on a collision course with Japan was all orchestrated by Stalin and executed by his staff working at US State Department and the White House.

McCarthy warned us and instead of having scores of traitors on Death Row, we allowed the Soviet Spy network to continue to propagate and infiltrate academia, the media, the Democrat Party and the RINOs

Get off the drugs.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. "He did not have to view or consider the big picture and worry about the battles others would have to fight."
Not only are you an imbecile, but a disgusting boot-licker of tyrants and despots.

The battles that cost hundreds of thousands of US soldier's lives were due to FDR's pandering to Stalin.

The battle raging at the time Patton pleaded to continue the war in Europe and begin a war with Stalin had nothing to do with Stalin. It was being fought in the Pacific at a place called Okinawa, a Japanese owned and populated homeland island. The Pacific Theater needed to replace 10's of thousands of casualties lost at both Iwo , and now Okinawa. 50,000 men at Okinawa alone were casualties.
You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality. The US military was fighting a war in the Pacific and it made casualty figures in Europe look small in comparison. In the Pacific every battle was like a D-Day battle. Patton's request and ideas to continue and actually begin a new war in Europe against the USSR was rejected because those with more knowledge than him, and those responsible for the lives of hundreds of thousands of American military lives NOT UNDER PATTON'S COMMAND used rational thinking to plan a strategy that would end the war against the Japanese in the Pacific Theater.
The strategy of supporting the USSR in their relentless war against the same enemies we were fighting is what saved hundreds of thousands of American and allied lives, probably even millions, in the war in Europe. The Russian troops we fed and supplied died in enormous numbers defeating the German's. Millions of Russians died and many millions more were wounded. Compared to the Russian casualties, the allied casualties were small.

"You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality."

1. Cut and paste means provide supporting documentation.

2. Everything I post is factual.
You Stalin sympathizers have been unable to find any errors.


Roosevelt made Stalin and the Soviet Union.
Stalin made Mao, and every other communist inspired regime.
QED....problems of the world should be laid at Roosevelt's feet.
You're too dumb to recognize or admit same.

 

[NYcarbineer]

5. "He did not have to view or consider the big picture and worry about the battles others would have to fight."
Not only are you an imbecile, but a disgusting boot-licker of tyrants and despots.

The battles that cost hundreds of thousands of US soldier's lives were due to FDR's pandering to Stalin.

The battle raging at the time Patton pleaded to continue the war in Europe and begin a war with Stalin had nothing to do with Stalin. It was being fought in the Pacific at a place called Okinawa, a Japanese owned and populated homeland island. The Pacific Theater needed to replace 10's of thousands of casualties lost at both Iwo , and now Okinawa. 50,000 men at Okinawa alone were casualties.
You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality. The US military was fighting a war in the Pacific and it made casualty figures in Europe look small in comparison. In the Pacific every battle was like a D-Day battle. Patton's request and ideas to continue and actually begin a new war in Europe against the USSR was rejected because those with more knowledge than him, and those responsible for the lives of hundreds of thousands of American military lives NOT UNDER PATTON'S COMMAND used rational thinking to plan a strategy that would end the war against the Japanese in the Pacific Theater.
The strategy of supporting the USSR in their relentless war against the same enemies we were fighting is what saved hundreds of thousands of American and allied lives, probably even millions, in the war in Europe. The Russian troops we fed and supplied died in enormous numbers defeating the German's. Millions of Russians died and many millions more were wounded. Compared to the Russian casualties, the allied casualties were small.

"You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality."

1. Cut and paste means provide supporting documentation.

2. Everything I post is factual.
You Stalin sympathizers have been unable to find any errors.


Roosevelt made Stalin and the Soviet Union.
Stalin made Mao, and every other communist inspired regime.
QED....problems of the world should be laid at Roosevelt's feet.
You're too dumb to recognize or admit same.

I just cited your ERROR. i.e., your manipulation of the UE numbers to make it look like things didn't improve under FDR.

 

[NYcarbineer]

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Roosevelt made Stalin and the Soviet Union.
Stalin made Mao, and every other communist inspired regime.
QED....problems of the world should be laid at Roosevelt's feet.
You're too dumb to recognize or admit same.

You're too ineducable to learn otherwise.

 

[rightwinger]

Actually, Pattons poor understanding of the political aspects of his position are well documented and almost cost him his career. His inability to get along with his superiors and allies are well documented.

"... poor understanding of the political aspects..."

But absolutely correct about communism, huh?

Too bad FDR wasn't.

Correct?

History proved Patton wrong. The invasion that Patton advocated would have cost hundreds of thousands of US lives. As it was, the Soviet Union surrendered without a shot being fired 45 years later

Total nonsense.....exactly what one would expect from an apologist for FDR, Stalin and communism.


Carry on.

Nonsense?

You mean the Soviet Union did not collapse on its own?
How many deaths would Pattons Soviet invasion have cause us? Hundreds of thousand? Million?

The idea of the US willfully going to war against the Soviets in 1945 is such an absurdity that it's probably people like you and me and the rest who are at fault for dignifying the idea with anything more than a good laugh.

But that's what we do here at USMB, dignify absurdity. We are the absurdity dignifiers.

After the incredible carnage that happened in the USSR from 1940-45, to think that we could have sent US troops to invade and suffer minimal casualties is ridiculous revisionist history

 

[Camp]

5. "He did not have to view or consider the big picture and worry about the battles others would have to fight."
Not only are you an imbecile, but a disgusting boot-licker of tyrants and despots.

The battles that cost hundreds of thousands of US soldier's lives were due to FDR's pandering to Stalin.

The battle raging at the time Patton pleaded to continue the war in Europe and begin a war with Stalin had nothing to do with Stalin. It was being fought in the Pacific at a place called Okinawa, a Japanese owned and populated homeland island. The Pacific Theater needed to replace 10's of thousands of casualties lost at both Iwo , and now Okinawa. 50,000 men at Okinawa alone were casualties.
You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality. The US military was fighting a war in the Pacific and it made casualty figures in Europe look small in comparison. In the Pacific every battle was like a D-Day battle. Patton's request and ideas to continue and actually begin a new war in Europe against the USSR was rejected because those with more knowledge than him, and those responsible for the lives of hundreds of thousands of American military lives NOT UNDER PATTON'S COMMAND used rational thinking to plan a strategy that would end the war against the Japanese in the Pacific Theater.
The strategy of supporting the USSR in their relentless war against the same enemies we were fighting is what saved hundreds of thousands of American and allied lives, probably even millions, in the war in Europe. The Russian troops we fed and supplied died in enormous numbers defeating the German's. Millions of Russians died and many millions more were wounded. Compared to the Russian casualties, the allied casualties were small.

"You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality."

1. Cut and paste means provide supporting documentation.

Wrong. It means using the same obsolete or long ago debunked information that was trashed long ago. It has been exposed as fraudulent here at USMB in numerous threads where you simply ignore the facts about your sources and continue to post it with the expectation that it will not be noticed. If there were any truth and accuracy to your sources you would be able to back them up with data from recognized historians who have taken into consideration the declassified documents and revelations that have come out since your old McCarthy era early 1950's blather and agenda driven fraudulent propaganda. You rely on that garbage or conspiracy theory works by the likes of West, the far right wing political commentator whose junk has been savaged by the academic and historian community.

2. Everything I post is factual.
You Stalin sympathizers have been unable to find any errors.

The nonsense you post is continuously and consistently shown to be false and misleading junk. You simple ignore the responses or call the posters names, make disparaging remarks about them and claim you are right and they are wrong. As proof you post the same cut and paste nonsense that is being debunked. You simple claim victory and move on as if nothing ever occurred to challenge you crap. Your method is dishonest.


Roosevelt made Stalin and the Soviet Union.
Stalin made Mao, and every other communist inspired regime.
QED....problems of the world should be laid at Roosevelt's feet.

You are obviously brainwashed into believing in conspiracy theories promoted by extremist over a half century ago which led to and became the McCarthy era. Attempts by the far right to regurgitate these theories in the 1990's still pop up on these boards and an occasional conspiracy book gets published that rehashes the old attention getting plots, but they quickly get relegated to the nut job shelves.

 

[PoliticalChic]

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2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

You are comically dishonest.

1931 was 2 years before FDR became president.

In 1932, the year FDR was elected there were 12 million Americans unemployed.

In 1941, there were 5.5 million Americans unemployed. A reduction of 6.5 million, not your concocted increase.

Be honest.

Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression

Typical.....change the subject attempt: pretend not to see the significance

"... poor understanding of the political aspects..."

But absolutely correct about communism, huh?

Too bad FDR wasn't.

Correct?

History proved Patton wrong. The invasion that Patton advocated would have cost hundreds of thousands of US lives. As it was, the Soviet Union surrendered without a shot being fired 45 years later

Total nonsense.....exactly what one would expect from an apologist for FDR, Stalin and communism.


Carry on.

Nonsense?

You mean the Soviet Union did not collapse on its own?
How many deaths would Pattons Soviet invasion have cause us? Hundreds of thousand? Million?

The idea of the US willfully going to war against the Soviets in 1945 is such an absurdity that it's probably people like you and me and the rest who are at fault for dignifying the idea with anything more than a good laugh.

But that's what we do here at USMB, dignify absurdity. We are the absurdity dignifiers.

After the incredible carnage that happened in the USSR from 1940-45, to think that we could have sent US troops to invade and suffer minimal casualties is ridiculous revisionist history

"After the incredible carnage that happened in the USSR from 1940-45,..."

You mean the fact that Stalin killed over 20 million of his own citizens?
Think they would have fought for him if under the circumstances?

More than a million Soviet citizens joined the Nazis. Ask yourself this: why was it that the USSR, of all the Allies, had provided the enemy with thousands of recruits? Nearly one million Russian and other anti-Soviet men joined the enemy of their Soviet Army.
"The Secret Betrayal"by Nikolai Tolstoy, p. 19-20.

 

[PoliticalChic]

5. "He did not have to view or consider the big picture and worry about the battles others would have to fight."
Not only are you an imbecile, but a disgusting boot-licker of tyrants and despots.

The battles that cost hundreds of thousands of US soldier's lives were due to FDR's pandering to Stalin.

The battle raging at the time Patton pleaded to continue the war in Europe and begin a war with Stalin had nothing to do with Stalin. It was being fought in the Pacific at a place called Okinawa, a Japanese owned and populated homeland island. The Pacific Theater needed to replace 10's of thousands of casualties lost at both Iwo , and now Okinawa. 50,000 men at Okinawa alone were casualties.
You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality. The US military was fighting a war in the Pacific and it made casualty figures in Europe look small in comparison. In the Pacific every battle was like a D-Day battle. Patton's request and ideas to continue and actually begin a new war in Europe against the USSR was rejected because those with more knowledge than him, and those responsible for the lives of hundreds of thousands of American military lives NOT UNDER PATTON'S COMMAND used rational thinking to plan a strategy that would end the war against the Japanese in the Pacific Theater.
The strategy of supporting the USSR in their relentless war against the same enemies we were fighting is what saved hundreds of thousands of American and allied lives, probably even millions, in the war in Europe. The Russian troops we fed and supplied died in enormous numbers defeating the German's. Millions of Russians died and many millions more were wounded. Compared to the Russian casualties, the allied casualties were small.

"You can cut and paste all the McCarthy era nonsense propaganda you want, it does not distract from the facts of reality."

1. Cut and paste means provide supporting documentation.

Wrong. It means using the same obsolete or long ago debunked information that was trashed long ago. It has been exposed as fraudulent here at USMB in numerous threads where you simply ignore the facts about your sources and continue to post it with the expectation that it will not be noticed. If there were any truth and accuracy to your sources you would be able to back them up with data from recognized historians who have taken into consideration the declassified documents and revelations that have come out since your old McCarthy era early 1950's blather and agenda driven fraudulent propaganda. You rely on that garbage or conspiracy theory works by the likes of West, the far right wing political commentator whose junk has been savaged by the academic and historian community.

2. Everything I post is factual.
You Stalin sympathizers have been unable to find any errors.

The nonsense you post is continuously and consistently shown to be false and misleading junk. You simple ignore the responses or call the posters names, make disparaging remarks about them and claim you are right and they are wrong. As proof you post the same cut and paste nonsense that is being debunked. You simple claim victory and move on as if nothing ever occurred to challenge you crap. Your method is dishonest.


Roosevelt made Stalin and the Soviet Union.
Stalin made Mao, and every other communist inspired regime.
QED....problems of the world should be laid at Roosevelt's feet.

You are obviously brainwashed into believing in conspiracy theories promoted by extremist over a half century ago which led to and became the McCarthy era. Attempts by the far right to regurgitate these theories in the 1990's still pop up on these boards and an occasional conspiracy book gets published that rehashes the old attention getting plots, but they quickly get relegated to the nut job shelves.

But you didn't answer the most telling question: how come you can't find any mistakes in my posts?

Seems you're the one 'brainwashed.'

 

[NYcarbineer]

[
2. "--because it was necessary..."
Perhaps something was necessary...but not Roosevelt's steps.
Need proof?
Under Franklin Roosevelt- "No depression, or recession, had ever lasted even half this long."

8,020,000 Americans were unemployed in 1931. In 1939, after the excellent decisions by Franklin Roosevelt, there were 9,480,000 unemployed.
Folsom, "New Deal of Raw Deal," p. 3.

You are comically dishonest.

1931 was 2 years before FDR became president.

In 1932, the year FDR was elected there were 12 million Americans unemployed.

In 1941, there were 5.5 million Americans unemployed. A reduction of 6.5 million, not your concocted increase.

Be honest.

Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression

Typical.....change the subject attempt: pretend not to see the significance
.

I respond to your dishonest post about unemployment during the Depression and I'm changing the subject?

lol

 

[NYcarbineer]

An additional aspect of this absurdity,

how on earth would Truman have gotten a declaration of war against the Soviets out of the US Congress in 1945?

 

[westwall]

"Hell, why do we care what those goddamn Russians think? We are going to have to fight them sooner or later, within the next generation."

Patton was correct.
Roosevelt not.


.

Patton was wrong. We didn't fight them sooner or later. I'm not surprised you don't know that.

This thread was meant for adults, and particularly those adults with an education.

Do drop back when the discussion centers on crayon, fav cartoon, and Kim Kardashian.

What war did we fight with the Soviets between 1945 and the breakup of the USSR?

And don't say the Cold War.

See....that's why I said this wasn't an appropriate thread for you...


I tried to save you from this embarrassment, but....heck, I guess you're used to it.

You claimed that Patton was right in saying that sooner or later we would go to war with the Soviet Union.

We never did. Therefore Patton was wrong,

and you were either ignorant or lying to try to claim that Patton was right.

No, it's you who are wrong. The Cold War was every bit a war, the medal below is authorized by two state National Guards and there is legislation to make it an official military award pending in Congress now.

 

[Discombobulated]

At the time 37mm anti tank guns were standard in both the US and German forces, the conventional wisdom of the time was rapidly evolving as mobile combined arms warfare was still in it's infancy. But you probably knew all that already.

Not true. By 1940 the Germans had upgraded to the 5cm PaK 38 and were upgrading their tanks as well.

Incorrect, the 5cm was barely entering service, most infantry units were still equipped with the 3.7cm at the time France fell.

The gun was developed in 1938 and yes, due to slow production it wasn't common until 1941, but the Germans had already figured out that they needed to go bigger. In fact the 7.5cm PaK 40 came out less than a year later.

So had everyone else, the out of context remarks regarding Gen. Marshall are essentially meaningless.

"...the out of context remarks regarding Gen. Marshall are essentially meaningless."

Truly, a lack of understanding on your part.




1. Harry Hopkins and George Marshall were fully behind handing all of Eastern Europe over to Stalin's tender mercies. ...they knew of the Terror Famine, the Katyn Forest Massacre, and other blood purges. by Stalin. Evidence can be seen in a document which Hopkins took with him to the Quebec conference in August, 1943, entitled "Russia's Position," quoted as follows in Sherwood's book, the authorized Hopkins biography:"Russia's post-war position in Europe will be a dominant one. With Germany crushed, there is no power in Europe to oppose her tremendous military forces."


2. All of the efforts of Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Hopkins, and George Marshall went into opening a "second front" to reduce the tribulations of 'Uncle Joe' Stalin. Robert E. Sherwood, in "Roosevelt and Hopkins," notes the
"contradictory circumstance of the American representatives [Hopkins and Marshall] constantly sticking to the main topic of the war against Germany while the British representatives were repeatedly bringing up reminders of the war against Japan." It was a policy that dominated American military and political decisions throughout the war-decisions that insured victory for communism. The American policy called for support of the Soviet Union on all European and FarEastern questions.
Manly, p. 114-115.

3. It is unlikely that historians ever will be able to determine the proportionate share of responsibility which must be attributed collectively to Roosevelt, Hopkins and Marshall.... Roosevelt had the. power, but he was influenced by Hopkins and Marshall. Hopkins also influenced Marshall, and therefore was the dominant member of the triumvirate.

Of the three, Marshall's record is the most tragic and incomprehensible. Throughout World War II and the postwar years, down to 1951, when he was largely responsible for the removal of General MacArthur from command in the Far East and for the strategy of appeasement which resulted in our defeat in the Korean War.... The record of his service to the communist cause, however innocent, is appalling, and hardly could have been worse if he had consciously acted on instructions from the Kremlin."
Chesly Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution,"p.118



I have given an outline of the power of communism in the era, but you only see it through the prism provided by the Leftist media and schools.

Too bad.

I don't think that addresses the context of the excerpt regarding 37mm anti tank guns.

 

[Discombobulated]

I can name several, in fact in 1940 that would be most German tanks. The Panzer 1, Panzer II, Panzer III, Czech Lt-35 and Lt-38, everything in the German arsenal at the time except the frontal armor of a Panzer Mk 4.

That's actually a good answer! And had we fought the Germans in 1940, that would have been effective.

Also, Rommel had suggested that instead of concentrating on building tanks, the Germans should have build more towed 8.8 to fight the Russians who had the habit of charging head long into kill zones

By the time we actually crossed swords with them in 1943 we needed the 76 to pen the Mark IV's and the 90mm to have a chance at a Tiger (in service since 1942). I always thought it was negligent that we sent the Shermans into combat knowing they were under-armored and outgunned. It was Patton and the armor commanders that made the difference

Fortunate that we didn't go to war with the Soviets as Patton suggested at the time.....the T-34 was superior to the Sherman and the IS-2 would have defeated the new Pershing tanks.

Irrelevant.

US Army Air power would have turned Soviet armor into target practice. They would have cried "unfair" all day and night, but they'd still be smoking heaps on the battlefield

What do you suppose the Soviet Air Force would be doing? They defeated the other half of the Luftwaffe.

Soviet Air Force? They'd be doing next to nothing.

I don't think that's an accurate reflection of history.

 

[Camp]

c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Here ya go. Why do you think and claim Japan had designs for Siberia? What did Siberia or Russia have that Japan was in great need of?

 

[Discombobulated]

Yep, there was a lot of killing during WWII, but at the time most Americans seemed mostly concerned about the number of Americans being killed. Call us selfish if you will.

Patton posed no problem, Ike kept him pretty much under lock and key.

I can name several, in fact in 1940 that would be most German tanks. The Panzer 1, Panzer II, Panzer III, Czech Lt-35 and Lt-38, everything in the German arsenal at the time except the frontal armor of a Panzer Mk 4.

That's actually a good answer! And had we fought the Germans in 1940, that would have been effective.

Also, Rommel had suggested that instead of concentrating on building tanks, the Germans should have build more towed 8.8 to fight the Russians who had the habit of charging head long into kill zones

By the time we actually crossed swords with them in 1943 we needed the 76 to pen the Mark IV's and the 90mm to have a chance at a Tiger (in service since 1942). I always thought it was negligent that we sent the Shermans into combat knowing they were under-armored and outgunned. It was Patton and the armor commanders that made the difference

Fortunate that we didn't go to war with the Soviets as Patton suggested at the time.....the T-34 was superior to the Sherman and the IS-2 would have defeated the new Pershing tanks.

Irrelevant.

US Army Air power would have turned Soviet armor into target practice. They would have cried "unfair" all day and night, but they'd still be smoking heaps on the battlefield

What do you suppose the Soviet Air Force would be doing? They defeated the other half of the Luftwaffe.

We can debate back and forth, but the real issue was that FDR was a sock puppet for Stalin and allowed the enslavement of hundreds of millions of people to Soviet Communism.

That doesn't quite sound like an accurate reflection of history either.

 

[Discombobulated]

c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Here ya go. Why do you think and claim Japan had designs for Siberia? What did Siberia or Russia have that Japan was in great need of?

Same reasons they invaded Manchuria, coal, iron, slave labor, etc.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Is this the tenth rendition of this thread?

1. Actually, the very first.

2. But your post is a perfect example of the anti-intellectual campaign of Leftists: if it is not a lie or myth that advances Leftist, you don't want it heard.

The Liberal obligatory methodology: deny, marginalize, or ignore.

Threads by you baselessly attacking FDR with an array of misinformation, propaganda, distortion, and dishonesty?

I'd say ten isn't a bad guess.

 

[Discombobulated]

At the time 37mm anti tank guns were standard in both the US and German forces, the conventional wisdom of the time was rapidly evolving as mobile combined arms warfare was still in it's infancy. But you probably knew all that already.

Not true. By 1940 the Germans had upgraded to the 5cm PaK 38 and were upgrading their tanks as well.

Incorrect, the 5cm was barely entering service, most infantry units were still equipped with the 3.7cm at the time France fell.

The gun was developed in 1938 and yes, due to slow production it wasn't common until 1941, but the Germans had already figured out that they needed to go bigger. In fact the 7.5cm PaK 40 came out less than a year later.

So had everyone else, the out of context remarks regarding Gen. Marshall are essentially meaningless.

That's sort of true. The Brits began development of their 6 pounder in 1938 as well. However they took their time with the carriage so they were still fielding the 2 pounder into 1942!

Another good example of a weapon that was more than adequate in 1940 but completely out classed by 1942.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[


.... his philosophy of leading from the front and his ability to inspire his troops with vulgarity-ridden speeches,

That's pretty funny coming from you as praise, since you whine here incessantly about the use of vulgarity being proof that someone has lost the argument.

 

[Camp]

c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Here ya go. Why do you think and claim Japan had designs for Siberia? What did Siberia or Russia have that Japan was in great need of?

Same reasons they invaded Manchuria, coal, iron, slave labor, etc.

c. "The chapter on Pearl Harbor is likewise instructive as to how Soviet agents operated. Japan seriously considered an attack on Russia, but Stalin’s agents in the Japanese government and in the highly efficient Sorge spy ring on the island nation helped persuade Imperial Japan to turn its aggression “elsewhere.” That “elsewhere” eventually turned out to be Pearl Harbor.

Stalin’s acolytes in the U.S. were simultaneously pushing a foreign policy against Japan that would lead the Japanese away from any designs on Siberia and toward conflict with America."
Infiltration, intrigue and Communists - Conservative News


Machiavelli could have learned from Stalin!

Here ya go. Why do you think and claim Japan had designs for Siberia? What did Siberia or Russia have that Japan was in great need of?

Same reasons they invaded Manchuria, coal, iron, slave labor, etc.

Japan did not have shortages of those resources in Dec. of 1941. There was another resource that they were in fact desperate for, but is was not available from Russian Siberia. Nor was there a sleeping giant building a massive Navy to confront the island nation of Japan to the north.