The political spectrum

[TNHarley]

Definition of ANARCHY

a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority; absence of government; a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1
a
: absence of government
b
: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
the city's descent into anarchy

c
: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2
a
: absence or denial of any authority or established order
anarchy prevailed in the war zone

b
: absence of order : DISORDER
not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature—Israel Shenker

There are 2 definitions and they both apply.

You keep posting links that discredit what you say in other posts.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Dictators are leftists. Saudia Arabia is a leftist Nation.
Being a theocrat doesnt automatically define a persons ideology. Thats just something stupid people tell you.

Saudi Arabia isn't leftist, they're capitalists and criminalize abortion, drug use, LGBTQ+..etc. You can't get more right-wing than Islamo-fascists.

 

[Blues Man]

You keep posting links that discredit what you say in other posts.

No I don't.

If a society has any sort of order imposed on it then it is no longer anarchistic.

Even your imaginary "voluntary institutions" used to control a society is a governmental system.

Any type of restriction on any behavior of any individual cannot exist in an anarchistic society

 

[TNHarley]

Saudi Arabia isn't leftist, they're capitalists and criminalize abortion, drug use, LGBTQ+..etc. You can't get more right-wing than Islamo-fascists.

They arent capitalist. The government controls the market.
That other stuff is leftist.
"islamo-fascists" are left wing.

 

[TruthNotBS]

They arent capitalist. The government controls the market.
That other stuff is leftist.
"islamo-fascists" are left wing.

The government in Saudi Arabia doesn't control the market any more than the US. All governments regulate markets.

Governments employ various mechanisms and policies to regulate markets and protect the interests of consumers, workers, and the general public. Here is a list of ways through which the government regulates the market:

1. Minimum Wage Laws: Governments often set minimum wages to ensure that workers receive a fair wage for their labor.
2. Child Labor Laws: As you mentioned, child labor laws prevent the employment of children in work that is dangerous or interferes with their education.
3. Health and Safety Regulations: These regulations ensure that workplaces are safe and do not pose health risks to employees. For example, Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) in the United States.
4. Food Safety Standards: Governments enforce standards on food production, preparation, and sale to ensure that it is safe for consumption. For example, restaurants must maintain cleanliness in their kitchens.
5. Environmental Regulations: These rules control pollution and ensure that companies follow sustainable practices to protect the environment.
6. Antitrust Laws: These laws prevent monopolies and promote competition. They include laws that prohibit price-fixing, market-sharing, and the abuse of market power.
7. Product Quality Standards: Governments may enforce standards on the quality and safety of products, such as electrical appliances, vehicles, and toys, to protect consumers.
8. Financial Regulations: Governments regulate banks, stock markets, and other financial institutions to ensure stability in the financial system and protect consumers. For example, regulations enacted after the 2008 financial crisis like Dodd-Frank in the US.
9. Trade Policies and Tariffs: Governments control international trade through tariffs, quotas, and other measures to protect domestic industries and consumers.
10. Licensing and Certification: Governments may require businesses and professionals to obtain licenses or certifications to operate. This is common in healthcare, law, real estate, and other fields.
11. Data Protection and Privacy Laws: These laws protect consumers' personal data and limit how companies can use this information. For example, the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) in the European Union.
12. Patent and Intellectual Property Protection: Governments grant patents and copyrights to protect inventors and creators from unauthorized use of their creations.
13. Labeling Requirements: Governments may require that products have labels that disclose information such as ingredients, nutritional content, or potential allergens.
14. Consumer Protection Laws: These laws are aimed at protecting consumers against unfair business practices, deceptive advertising, and fraud.
15. Price Controls: In some cases, the government may set the price for certain goods or services, such as utilities, to ensure affordability.
16. Subsidies and Tax Incentives: Governments use subsidies and tax incentives to encourage certain economic activities or to support struggling sectors.
17. Public Utilities Regulation: Governments may regulate or even own utilities like water, electricity, and public transportation to ensure that they are accessible and affordable.
18. Insurance Regulation: Governments regulate insurance companies to ensure they have the financial capacity to pay claims and that they don't engage in unfair or deceptive practices.
19. Advertising Standards: Regulations are enforced on what can and cannot be included in advertisements to prevent misleading claims and protect consumers.
20. Internet and Telecommunication Regulations: Governments regulate these sectors to ensure fair access, net neutrality, and to manage the spectrum for mobile communications.

All of the above can be found in the US and in many other countries with capitalist economies.

 

[TNHarley]

If a society has any sort of order imposed on it then it is no longer anarchistic.

yeah, no shit! Anarchists believe order occurs naturally.

Even your imaginary "voluntary institutions" used to control a society is a governmental system.

Wrong

 

[TNHarley]

The government in Saudi Arabia doesn't control the market any more than the US. All governments regulate markets.

Right. America isnt capitalist, either.

 

[Oddball]

Definition of ANARCHY

a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority; absence of government; a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1
a
: absence of government
b
: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
the city's descent into anarchy

c
: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2
a
: absence or denial of any authority or established order
anarchy prevailed in the war zone

b
: absence of order : DISORDER
not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature—Israel Shenker

There are 2 definitions and they both apply.

This wouldn't be the same Webster's that just changed the definition of "woman", would it?

 

[Blues Man]

yeah, no shit! Anarchists believe order occurs naturally.

Wrong

But it doesn't.

Your anarchistic utopia would have to allow murder, rape, theft, arson etc. and the vigilantism that comes from it.

No society can survive that kind of lawlessness.

The second you have a "voluntary institution" to stop people from doing any of those things you no longer have an anarchistic society.

 

[TruthNotBS]

Right. America isnt capitalist, either.

So what would constitute a capitalist economy, and what role does the government have in your version of capitalism?

 

[TNHarley]

Your anarchistic utopia would have to allow murder, rape, theft, arson etc. and the vigilantism that comes from it.

The second you have a "voluntary institution" to stop people from doing any of those things you no longer have an anarchistic society.

How is a post office or fire department going to stop someone from doing something? lol

 

[TNHarley]

So what would constitute a capitalist economy, and what role does the government have in your version of capitalism?

It certainly doesnt include govt sanctioned/forced transfers of wealth, bailing out failed companies, setting prices, punishing competition in the market etc... now does it?

 

[Blues Man]

How is a post office or fire department going to stop someone from doing something? lol

So you admit that there can be no laws in this society of yours.

When you assign a voluntary institution to be in charge of the mail you have imposed order on the society unless of course you just turn a blind eye to some other "voluntary institution that" starts stealing all the mail.

If a "voluntary institution" of arsonists is formed in your "society" you cannot stop them then what becomes of your fire dept?

 

[TruthNotBS]

It certainly doesnt include govt sanctioned/forced transfers of wealth, bailing out failed companies, setting prices, punishing competition in the market etc... now does it?

You didn't answer my question. What role does the government have in the economy if any in your opinion? Let me help you. Can employers employ children? Can they dump toxic chemicals into a river, from which the public draws its drinking water? Can the government require physicians to be licensed and restaurants to hold a certain standard of cleanliness in their kitchens? Can there be zoning laws? Construction safety code standards? Workplace safety standards? Can the government require someone to have a CDL and be trained before they get behind the wheel of an 18-wheeler?

 

[Oddball]

The government in Saudi Arabia doesn't control the market any more than the US. All governments regulate markets.

Governments employ various mechanisms and policies to regulate markets and protect the interests of consumers, workers, and the general public. Here is a list of ways through which the government regulates the market:

1. Minimum Wage Laws: Governments often set minimum wages to ensure that workers receive a fair wage for their labor.
2. Child Labor Laws: As you mentioned, child labor laws prevent the employment of children in work that is dangerous or interferes with their education.
3. Health and Safety Regulations: These regulations ensure that workplaces are safe and do not pose health risks to employees. For example, Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) in the United States.
4. Food Safety Standards: Governments enforce standards on food production, preparation, and sale to ensure that it is safe for consumption. For example, restaurants must maintain cleanliness in their kitchens.
5. Environmental Regulations: These rules control pollution and ensure that companies follow sustainable practices to protect the environment.
6. Antitrust Laws: These laws prevent monopolies and promote competition. They include laws that prohibit price-fixing, market-sharing, and the abuse of market power.
7. Product Quality Standards: Governments may enforce standards on the quality and safety of products, such as electrical appliances, vehicles, and toys, to protect consumers.
8. Financial Regulations: Governments regulate banks, stock markets, and other financial institutions to ensure stability in the financial system and protect consumers. For example, regulations enacted after the 2008 financial crisis like Dodd-Frank in the US.
9. Trade Policies and Tariffs: Governments control international trade through tariffs, quotas, and other measures to protect domestic industries and consumers.
10. Licensing and Certification: Governments may require businesses and professionals to obtain licenses or certifications to operate. This is common in healthcare, law, real estate, and other fields.
11. Data Protection and Privacy Laws: These laws protect consumers' personal data and limit how companies can use this information. For example, the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR) in the European Union.
12. Patent and Intellectual Property Protection: Governments grant patents and copyrights to protect inventors and creators from unauthorized use of their creations.
13. Labeling Requirements: Governments may require that products have labels that disclose information such as ingredients, nutritional content, or potential allergens.
14. Consumer Protection Laws: These laws are aimed at protecting consumers against unfair business practices, deceptive advertising, and fraud.
15. Price Controls: In some cases, the government may set the price for certain goods or services, such as utilities, to ensure affordability.
16. Subsidies and Tax Incentives: Governments use subsidies and tax incentives to encourage certain economic activities or to support struggling sectors.
17. Public Utilities Regulation: Governments may regulate or even own utilities like water, electricity, and public transportation to ensure that they are accessible and affordable.
18. Insurance Regulation: Governments regulate insurance companies to ensure they have the financial capacity to pay claims and that they don't engage in unfair or deceptive practices.
19. Advertising Standards: Regulations are enforced on what can and cannot be included in advertisements to prevent misleading claims and protect consumers.
20. Internet and Telecommunication Regulations: Governments regulate these sectors to ensure fair access, net neutrality, and to manage the spectrum for mobile communications.

All of the above can be found in the US and in many other countries with capitalist economies.

 

[TruthNotBS]

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Answer the question. What is your solution for all of the aforementioned services and regulations now enforced by the government?

 

[TNHarley]

You didn't answer my question. What role does the government have in the economy if any in your opinion? Let me help you. Can employers employ children? Can they dump toxic chemicals into a river, from which the public draws its drinking water? Can the government require physicians to be licensed and restaurants to hold a certain standard of cleanliness in their kitchens? Can there be zoning laws? Construction safety code standards? Workplace safety standards? Can the government require someone to have a CDL and be trained before they get behind the wheel of an 18-wheeler?

The govt should only get involved if someone or something is infringing on others rights.

 

[Oddball]

Answer the question. What is your solution for all of the aforementioned services and regulations now enforced by the government?

How does is it become incumbent upon me to come up with alternatives to the massive failures of your State?

 

[TNHarley]

If a "voluntary institution" of arsonists is formed in your "society" you cannot stop them then what becomes of your fire dept?

 

[dblack]

Definition of ANARCHY

a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority; absence of government; a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

1
a
: absence of government
b
: a state of lawlessness or political disorder due to the absence of governmental authority
the city's descent into anarchy

c
: a utopian society of individuals who enjoy complete freedom without government

2
a
: absence or denial of any authority or established order
anarchy prevailed in the war zone

b
: absence of order : DISORDER
not manicured plots but a wild anarchy of nature—Israel Shenker

There are 2 definitions and they both apply.

Pick one. They're different. Nevermind though. I think I'm done with your horseshit games. Stay vague!