the people were right again: looks like there were 2 shooters that killed JFK

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Buttercup needs to explain itself.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

Looks more and more like the JFK movie should be bumped-up to a documentary.



I can tell you straight-up that the scope used on the Carcano was not up to the task.....It was only rated for .22s.

If Oswald practiced with it much at all I can guarantee you that the optics were FUBAR by assassination day.

Bullshit movie. That movie had Connolly seated directly in front of JFK at the same height looking forward. It was a parade vehicle. The guest of honor’s seat is situated higher than the front seat for crowd visibility and Connolly was turned sharply to his right when the second bullet hit. All in the Warren report but conveniently omitted from the movie for entertainment’$ $ake.

 

[scruffy]

Why did Oswald kill officer Tippit?

He didn't.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

J.D. TIPPIT / November 22, 1963 - The Evidence

I'm not going to insult for you putting forth this version of events. However, you have to realize that in order to prove your points we have to trust that the instutions who gathered the "evidence" are truthful, and given the circumstances of the conspiracy... that can't happen.

It's like the IRS auditing itself.

Witness testimony can not only be wrong if it's genuine, but fabricated by officials if they desire (I'll go on, but if this is a top-down narrative coming fron the most powerful forces in our government, any and all measures will be taken to paint the picture they want).

The bullet in Tippet, was it the same as that came from a .38? We already know there's massive disputes of the bullets that were found in JFK, not to mention that doctors were ordered to leave the autopsy so military could take over the situation. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that the government wouldn't fabricate everything it needed to in order to progress the story that a single lone gunman of Oswald did it to cover their own asses.

I'll await the new evidence as everyone else will, but this official has said it seems clear there were 2 shooters. You've had the evidence hidden from you for decades. Why do you think that is? You should be suspect of all of this, and you aren't. You're simply repeating the story that was told/created after it happened, which already has tons of holes.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm not going to insult for you putting forth this version of events. However, you have to realize that in order to prove your points we have to trust that the instutions who gathered the "evidence" are truthful, and given the circumstances of the conspiracy... that can't happen.

It's like the IRS auditing itself.

Witness testimony can not only be wrong if it's genuine, but fabricated by officials if they desire (I'll go on, but if this is a top-down narrative coming fron the most powerful forces in our government, any and all measures will be taken to paint the picture they want).

The bullet in Tippet, was it the same as that came from a .38? We already know there's massive disputes of the bullets that were found in JFK, not to mention that doctors were ordered to leave the autopsy so military could take over the situation. I'm sorry, but I don't believe that the government wouldn't fabricate everything it needed to in order to progress the story that a single lone gunman of Oswald did it to cover their own asses.

I'll await the new evidence as everyone else will, but this official has said it seems clear there were 2 shooters. You've had the evidence hidden from you for decades. Why do you think that is? You should be suspect of all of this, and you aren't. You're simply repeating the story that was told/created after it happened, which already has tons of holes.

Right, they framed Oswald for killing Tippit, because killing JFK wasn't enough.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Area 51 has nothing to do with Oswald.

It does in that it's an example of people such as yourself who will swallow government claims without questioning them. The government denied Area 51 existed and attacked all who claimed it did were kooky conspiracy theoriests... until they were shown over and over photos from overhead that indeed a base existed. and then they said "Well, yeah.. it's there... but...." . They lied to you, me, everyone. It kills their credibility.

That four shot thing is BS. Oswald fired three shots. The first missed but prompted Connolly to react to his right as he recognized the sound as a rifle shot. That put him in position to be hit twice (in the back and the left wrist) by the second bullet which pierced kennedy’s throat. Shot three created the crater wound in the back of JFK’s head and sent brain matter forward all over the car.
The alleged phantom fourth shot would have missed and have had no impact as the three real shots are evidentially accounted for.

1. The radio picked up 4 shots
2. The majority of people on the ground reported the strong odor of gun powder.. how could that be if the shots were fired from the 6th floor of a building? The warren commission dismissed all testimony because.... ?
3. Tons of people reported seeing smoke on the grassy knoll and said they believed there was a shooter there based on the noises they heard. The warren commission dismissed all testimony because.... ?
4. The Zapruder film was edited initially by gov't officials to decrease the intensity of the kill-shot from the grassy knoll. There are different versions of the same film, and the ones from the government have far less blood and are less violent that have been around for decades. CGI technology couldn't create more blood and guts back then and have it be believable.

You have to have some sort of religious zeal in big government to believe the warren commission 100%.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Right, they framed Oswald for killing Tippit, because killing JFK wasn't enough.

A group of wordly powerful government officials ordering a murder to support their psy-op narrative of a police officer seems very tame as far as the lengths they would go to kill Kennedy, especially with all that was on the line as far as military govt contracts.

And hey, life is weird. Tippett could have happened randomly, and they just used it off-hand because it was convenient. It could have been completely unrelated.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Bullshit movie. That movie had Connolly seated directly in front of JFK at the same height looking forward. It was a parade vehicle. The guest of honor’s seat is situated higher than the front seat for crowd visibility and Connolly was turned sharply to his right when the second bullet hit. All in the Warren report but conveniently omitted from the movie for entertainment’$ $ake.

As a measure of good faith in this debate, I'll absolutely cede that the movie JFK got many things wrong and took liberties with what was. I never use it as any sort of founding for any arguments I have when discussing Kennedy.

There's truth in it, but it can't be used in a serious discussion.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

I’m familiar with all of that nonsense. Started on Tom Snyder’s show about fifty years ago. It comes across as foolish after you review the actual evidence.

... "the actual evidence" you've been exposed to via the government... the same one that likely performed the action.

To what degree? That's up for debate. But it looks like your Warren Commission is on wobbly legs now that we have more files revealed. You may have to rethink your stance.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

A group of wordly powerful government officials ordering a murder to support their psy-op narrative of a police officer seems very tame as far as the lengths they would go to kill Kennedy, especially with all that was on the line as far as military govt contracts.

And hey, life is weird. Tippett could have happened randomly, and they just used it off-hand because it was convenient. It could have been completely unrelated.

Right. Because framing him for two murders was better than framing him for one.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

"Think so" is not evidence.

 

[Mr. Friscus]

Right. Because framing him for two murders was better than framing him for one.

If he murdered a cop, surely he murdered the president.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

If he murdered a cop, surely he murdered the president.

If he was some innocent guy, why shoot a cop?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

If he murdered a cop, surely he murdered the president.

Nah, not necessarily, but should be checked out.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

... "the actual evidence" you've been exposed to via the government... the same one that likely performed the action.

To what degree? That's up for debate. But it looks like your Warren Commission is on wobbly legs now that we have more files revealed. You may have to rethink your stance.

This Peter Jennings feature from ABC news about twenty years ago is the clincher for me. This was also presented in the Warren report minus the computer simulation.
Somebody superimposed text over this for personal reasons. The video is compelling to say the least.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I doubt she’s read the Warren report. Most conspiracists haven’t.

If You've Heard of Someone, Don't Listen to Him

The snooty know-it-alls in the government feed their egos by believing that the public can't handle the truth. The Netrix's conspiracy theories are all plants, truly a conspiracy to create conspiracies and throw us off the track.

Can Americans think for themselves at all, instead of being chained to links? Just for a mental exercise, people should come up with an explanation they've never heard before. That's usually where the truth lies.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

The "Warren Commission" wasn't set up to search for the truth. It was an exercise in government CYA. Nobody ever asked why the CIA invited a traitor and his KGB wife back to the U.S. in the coldest part of the Cold War. We know Oswald killed a cop and half a century later we are still looking for phantoms on the "grassy knoll".

Blowhard JFK Was a Dangerous Loose Cannon

What did the CIA and the KGB have in common in trying to prevent?

 

[scruffy]

Right, they framed Oswald for killing Tippit, because killing JFK wasn't enough.

The computer says it is not physically possible for Oswald to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting at 1:09pm.

However there was a DPD police car parked in the driveway of the next house just 3 minutes earlier, confirmed by 2 eye witnesses.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The computer says it is not physically possible for Oswald to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting at 1:09pm.

However there was a DPD police car parked in the driveway of the next house just 3 minutes earlier, confirmed by 2 eye witnesses.

The computer says it is not physically possible for Oswald to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting at 1:09pm.

Which computer says that?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The computer says it is not physically possible for Oswald to have been at the scene of the Tippit shooting at 1:09pm.

Which computer says that?

If it is the modules that are saying that, then you better look elsewhere.