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The painful truth about restraint -Israeli hold down- George Floyd

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
Whatever the outcome, the general public will have its opinions one way or the other mostly based on political affiliation and/or anti or pro police. There are a lot of questions about police. We do not question the potential perp in certain situations. A drugged up perp can be a dangerous situation. Police budgets even though bloated through political correctness, diversity and quotas are still limited because there are many police not on the streets in part because of it. There can be several thousand in a police department and only no more then several hundred on the streets at any given time.
 
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The knee on neck restraint is designed specifically to keep a subject's head under control so they can't bite and spit, spread disease or thrash about causing severe facial injury that heavily complicates arrest procedures and post-arrest legal Fallout

The old "Israeli hold down" has been used for millennia but was popularized after American and international officers learned the technique from Israeli Special Forces and police training materials

In fact the Minneapolis Police even visited Israel where they were trained on the technique

The fact is there is no safe way to restrain an individual for any length of time

Individuals are highly variable as fragile Health and or intoxication/overdose can lead to a bad outcome when someone is restrained

In fact animal science has long understood the phenomena of capture myopathy where a perfectly healthy animal dies from a restraint technique even though it was not abused in any way... simply restrained

The simple fact is there is no safe way to restrain someone and when restraint is entered into it must be accepted that there is no guarantee the individual being restrained will not have a bad outcome

A character like George Floyd would have died if he was restrained with a knee on his ass

If we ban the standard Israeli hold down because a couple drug addicts OD'd and had a bad outcome from that position we will eventually reach the point where it's illegal to restrain someone at all

Someone who has taken a lethal dose of of drugs could die running up a flight of stairs so are we going to ban Pursuit as well?

When someone takes a lethal dose of drugs and resist the police their life is simply a roll of the dice and no one can guarantee their safety under any circumstances... once we take away the standard Israeli hold down we will make police much more liable because subjects will be able to thrash about causing severe facial injury to themselves and this will cause a Litany of severe consequences for both law enforcement and the general community

The notion that an arresting officer should get off someone the moment they go limp is also ridiculous and will lead to numerous officer fatalities because 95% of people who go limp are faking and waiting for their opportunity to violently attack the arresting officer

I believe that the wholesale attack on government law enforcement is motivated largely by actors who want to see the American government atrophy and be replaced by private organizations

There are a lot of private for-profit corporations that would like to run critical Human Services for profit and will take a lot of legal liability off the government because they will be able to fire a few people and simply Rebrand their Police Department over and over


There's also the phenomena of crowdfunding where a fallacious narrative can generate billions of dollars for a criminal and their family even though they were 100% at fault and proved so at trial because the money is already safely in the bank long before the 1st juror is seated

as we slowly take away government law enforcement's ability to protect us life will become more and more difficult, dangerous and unpredictable for the citizens.

Private for-profit corporations like Blackwater mercenaries will be able to swoop in and take over the management of law enforcement departments all over the nation and potentially the world because they will offer a make-believe better system and people in their desperation to find a safe way to deal with dangerous criminals will be putty in their hands

Ultimately the United States will atrophy like the Roman Empire and become part of History...

when the history book is written
I wouldn't be surprised if they talk about the George Floyd situation as one of the Lynch pins of America's ultimate demise
if you want to fight with police...you better not be on hard drugs that have weakened your body horribly
Exactly anyone that fights the police has thrown their life on the roulette wheel

maybe they accidentally kill you maybe it's your horrible health either way you're committing a crime that threatens everyone around you so your life becomes a lot less valuable

cooperate with the police especially if you just swallowed a lethal amount of Narcotics
 

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I 100 percent support an effort to double the police and their salaries
Every US big city cop should make 200,000 a year
 

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I 100 percent support an effort to double the police and their salaries
Every US big city cop should make 200,000 a year
I wouldn't take that job for triple my annual salary
My franchise has 15 -20 percent blacks and they have zero respect for anything . They won’t even wear masks . Wear their pants below their fat azz
 

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I always wanted to be a cop in a Jewish area and busting those brats for speeding in their BMWs
 

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You don't have to sit on someone's neck to restrain them.
yes you do
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No, you don't. It seems like more/better training would save police officers a lot of headaches and legal troubles later on. Of course, that's easier said than done.

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Polive officers continue to train more per year than Army soldiers do.
Of course. I would expect a soldier to just kill the enemy and be done with it.
 

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You don't have to sit on someone's neck to restrain them.
yes you do
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No, you don't. It seems like more/better training would save police officers a lot of headaches and legal troubles later on. Of course, that's easier said than done.

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Polive officers continue to train more per year than Army soldiers do.
Unk is a giant ignoramus and low life
Why?
 
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You don't have to sit on someone's neck to restrain them.


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Obviously you have no experience....
I have a great deal of experience specifically in restraining people and controlling them on the ground. A great deal.
One of the most important aspects of holding a subject down is pinning them in a way that they can't cause themselves any facial damage because facial damage is highly liable in court.

krav maga and BJJ are close but no cigar

I fought in MMA and bounced one of the roughest bars in America... the most important thing is your liability profile post incident and if your subject has a busted lip you might wind up in jail even though you didn't do anything wrong.. that's why making sure they can't hurt their face is one of the most important things you must do in arrest procedures from a purely logistic standpoint

It's terribly entertaining to see how foolish and emotional people are over a subject they know absolutely nothing about

They focus on everything but the logistics LOL
 

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You don't have to sit on someone's neck to restrain them.


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Obviously you have no experience....
I have a great deal of experience specifically in restraining people and controlling them on the ground. A great deal.
One of the most important aspects of holding a subject down is pinning them in a way that they can't cause themselves any facial damage because facial damage is highly liable in court.
...

All this increased use of bodycams makes it harder to blame officers for damage some idiot does to himself.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
Never mind actual evidence or due process...
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
Your feelings said Chauvin killed him before all the evidence was presented. Grow up. Learn to control your emotions like an adult. Society will be better off.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?
Actually the demleftists with help of their media spark civil unrest any chance they get all to win votes.
 

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