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The painful truth about restraint -Israeli hold down- George Floyd

B. Kidd

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.

Only because you always miss the fine details in your zeal to paint with a broadbrush.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
the ROOT--ROOT of all these incidents are VIOLENT blacks committing crime at high rates and graduating at low rates---the cops are NOT the cause of these incidents
 

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The knee on neck restraint is designed specifically to keep a subject's head under control so they can't bite and spit, spread disease or thrash about causing severe facial injury that heavily complicates arrest procedures and post-arrest legal Fallout

The old "Israeli hold down" has been used for millennia but was popularized after American and international officers learned the technique from Israeli Special Forces and police training materials

In fact the Minneapolis Police even visited Israel where they were trained on the technique

The fact is there is no safe way to restrain an individual for any length of time

Individuals are highly variable as fragile Health and or intoxication/overdose can lead to a bad outcome when someone is restrained

In fact animal science has long understood the phenomena of capture myopathy where a perfectly healthy animal dies from a restraint technique even though it was not abused in any way... simply restrained

The simple fact is there is no safe way to restrain someone and when restraint is entered into it must be accepted that there is no guarantee the individual being restrained will not have a bad outcome

A character like George Floyd would have died if he was restrained with a knee on his ass

If we ban the standard Israeli hold down because a couple drug addicts OD'd and had a bad outcome from that position we will eventually reach the point where it's illegal to restrain someone at all

Someone who has taken a lethal dose of of drugs could die running up a flight of stairs so are we going to ban Pursuit as well?

When someone takes a lethal dose of drugs and resist the police their life is simply a roll of the dice and no one can guarantee their safety under any circumstances... once we take away the standard Israeli hold down we will make police much more liable because subjects will be able to thrash about causing severe facial injury to themselves and this will cause a Litany of severe consequences for both law enforcement and the general community

The notion that an arresting officer should get off someone the moment they go limp is also ridiculous and will lead to numerous officer fatalities because 95% of people who go limp are faking and waiting for their opportunity to violently attack the arresting officer

I believe that the wholesale attack on government law enforcement is motivated largely by actors who want to see the American government atrophy and be replaced by private organizations

There are a lot of private for-profit corporations that would like to run critical Human Services for profit and will take a lot of legal liability off the government because they will be able to fire a few people and simply Rebrand their Police Department over and over


There's also the phenomena of crowdfunding where a fallacious narrative can generate billions of dollars for a criminal and their family even though they were 100% at fault and proved so at trial because the money is already safely in the bank long before the 1st juror is seated

as we slowly take away government law enforcement's ability to protect us life will become more and more difficult, dangerous and unpredictable for the citizens.

Private for-profit corporations like Blackwater mercenaries will be able to swoop in and take over the management of law enforcement departments all over the nation and potentially the world because they will offer a make-believe better system and people in their desperation to find a safe way to deal with dangerous criminals will be putty in their hands

Ultimately the United States will atrophy like the Roman Empire and become part of History...

when the history book is written
I wouldn't be surprised if they talk about the George Floyd situation as one of the Lynch pins of America's ultimate demise
With 3 officers standing around, they could have cuffed him and done anything they wanted with him. This just happened to be what Chauvin wanted to do with him. I agree with the Chief of Police and the jurors (the ones whose opinion really counts) probably do also. He's toast.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?
 

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1.these are dynamic situations between humans--the humans [ criminals ] that are very IRRATIONAL/dumb/violent
you can't train for EVERY situation
....

If you train well, and often, you can be confident in most situations.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
Intent to subdue and fat ass druggie croaked due to fat ass drugginess
Criminals don’t want to be subdued, its uncomfortable and libbies bleat along in support
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
Not removing his knee for a couple of minutes after Floyd became unresponsive is at least manslaughter.
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
Not removing his knee for a couple of minutes after Floyd became unresponsive is at least manslaughter.

Yupp!
Involuntary manslaughter at the most. Murder?, no way!
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
Not removing his knee for a couple of minutes after Floyd became unresponsive is at least manslaughter.

Yupp!
Involuntary manslaughter at the most. Murder?, no way!
Involuntary means that you had no actual control of the situation that caused a death but was somehow criminally negligent in some way. It would be like leaving the Tiger cage unlocked and it got out and ate someone. In Chauvin's case he is the tiger. He was the cause of death. He let himself get out of control on some sadistic power trip and it cost a life. There is no separation between the act of negligence and the homicide.
 

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Jewish restraint hold lol

Jews or Nazis. It had to be one or the other to blame. :laughing0301:

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They just grab you by the nose lol
Maybe put their foot on your nose to hold you down lol
 

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Still trying to figure out why any of you think Chauvin is worth defending. He killed someone while in custody while wearing the uniform of a public servant. Flush the worthless piece of shit and hope his replacement does not further degrade the public trust in law enforcement.
1. he was not trying to kill him
--unlike Floyd who CHOSE to rob a pregnant woman, etc, cops are CALLED/ordered to go to where these jackass criminals are
2. you people are so fked up!!!!!!!!!!! most people do not want rogue cops out there killing people for no reason ON PURPOSE..white or black [ even though when a criminal is dead, that's GOOD for the community ]
= we are saying it wasn't MURDER!! /etc -RACE was not involved/etc
--all explained in my thread on the myth of police brutality

..brutality is the ex-footballer MURDERING white CHILDREN
brutality is the BLACK man beating 2 whites to death with a BAT
etc etc
I wonder how long you would last with some cop's knee on your neck? As shitty as you are I would still blame the cop for choking the life out of you.
1. I'm not stupid enough to get in that situation!!!!!!!!!!!
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
2. blame the cop for protecting the community????!!! = IDIOCY--
.that's why the black culture is self destructive and their communities are shitholes = love crimianls - hate law-order
3. plain and simple--he was trying to restrain a jackass/irrational/VIOLENT criminal
You seem to be a completely horrible person with no sense of compassion or justice and yet you still have the right to be treated like an actual human being by the law. Your God given right to be a colossal prick should not be held against you and neither should anyone's race or background when they have been taken into custody. This shit stain of a cop sparked civil unrest the likes of which we have not seen before. Did he protect the community? Did he do the police any favors?

Yet, you still cannot prove an intent to murder. Ya' know, all of those other 'grey area's.
Not removing his knee for a couple of minutes after Floyd became unresponsive is at least manslaughter.

Yupp!
Involuntary manslaughter at the most. Murder?, no way!
IM is how many years ??
 

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