The Overlap between antisemitism and anti-Zionism

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At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

 
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At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.


Zionist is the socially acceptable buzzword for Jew.

Who’s kidding who?
 
At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

It's ONLY about a 95% overlap.

Greg
 
Zionist is the socially acceptable buzzword for Jew.

Who’s kidding who?
And that’s the problem. While the site (supposedly) would not allow comments about “the evil Jews should go to hell,” the same statement could pass muster if the code word were used instead.
 
I believe it is related to the fact that Canada is liberal. Antisemitism is increasingly coming from the Left.
Well, I think both sides have their racism and prejudice, it's the extremes that ruin everything.

Basically Judeo-Christian values have been under attack for decades. If you associate with any of them or "look privileged" in some arbitrary determination, you are viewed with disdain.
 
At the top of this subforum is a moderator announcement that opposition to Israel’s actions and hatred of Jews are two separate issues. While that certainly can be the case when criticism of Israel is specific and not exemplified by double standards or blood libel, very often criticism of Israel is indeed a cover for antisemitism, and the overlap is sometimes subtle and sometimes blatant:

1) We have posters who insist that their utter contempt for Israel is unrelated to dislike for Jews, and then in the very same post (or one that follows) refer to Netanyahu as “a Jewish bully” or make reference to “the Jewish terrorists.” If their hate for Israel is unrelated to Jews, why then identify them by their Jewish religion?

2) Similarly, where we have had active pro-Palestinian anti-Israel groups on college campuses, we have had chants of “Death to Jews!,” bullying and assaulting Jews, and even establishment of “No Jew Zones.” Clearly, there is an overlap between being against Israel and being against Jews.

3) Perhaps more subtlely, there is a tendency to use the descriptor “Zionist” in a broad and hateful way - such as “the evil Zionists” - when a Zionist is simply someone who supports the right of Israel to exist. Most Jews do, and many Christians. The word has recently taken on a negative connotation and has become a way to spew venom about Jews without saying the word.

4) Finally, the double standards applied to Israel when truly barbaric countries are never even mentioned is also a sign that hostility toward Jews is driving the criticism. This was one of Sharansky’s Three D’s of antisemitism.

To summarize, criticism of specific Israeli action (“Netanyahu is being too aggressive”) is not antisemitic while broad brush contempt using code words or lies (“those evil Zionists control the world!” or “the Zionist terrorists are committing genocide”) is.

The issue is quite complex, and the two very often overlap. The attached explains it in more detail.

It's a shame that the actions of the Israeli government and it's supporters have spilled over into harming the millions of Jewish people who support peace instead of just zionists
 
Well, I think both sides have their racism and prejudice, it's the extremes that ruin everything.

Basically Judeo-Christian values have been under attack for decades. If you associate with any of them or "look privileged" in some arbitrary determination, you are viewed with disdain.
It’s not coming equally from each side. It is now primarily from the Left. That is why you see the liberal universities in blue cities- Berkeley, UCLA, Columbia, NYU, etc., etc., etc., - having big problems with antisemitism, and also why schools in my liberal county are now bastions of antisemitism.
 
A zionist will always identify themselves so it's very easy to tell apart a decent Jewish person from a zionist.
And its fine to harm those Jews who you identity as "Zionist". Explicitly because they are not "decent persons". That is what you are saying.
 
I get yer jist but I still reserve the right to criticise anything Jewish I want, if I want, same goes with the Muslims...
 
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I feel the same about a zionist being harmed as they do about a child being sniped by the IDF
Not even finished page one and here we are discussing the permissibility of harming Jews, as long as you can give them a dehumanizing label and accuse them of a blood libel. Unbelievable.
 
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