The OLDER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

Same garbage by Ilan Pappe.

Let us see him have the guts to tell the world how the Muslims ethnic cleansed the Land of Israel/Mandate for Palestine of as many Jews as they could, from Gaza to TransJordan, from 1920 to 1948.

THEN.....we will discuss it.

 

[watchingfromafar]

God made us put the Jews back

Yes, He did------
(Ezek 36:24 KJV) For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

(Ezek 36:31 KJV) Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall loathe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

(Ezek 36:32 KJV) Not for your sakes do I this, saith the Lord GOD, be it known unto you: be ashamed and confounded for your own ways, Ohouse of Israel.

 

[Hollie]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

Stop with your bellyaching. You have been given links and evidence multiple times.

We are NOT playing your game.

 

[P F Tinmore]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

Stop with your bellyaching. You have been given links and evidence multiple times.

We are NOT playing your game.

All by sources attached to Israel.

 

[Sixties Fan]

This is not a thread about the G-D of Abraham giving the land to the Jewish people. It is about the Mandate for Palestine and what it took for Israel to be created.

Let us keep the thread on topic, please.

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

Stop with your bellyaching. You have been given links and evidence multiple times.

We are NOT playing your game.

All by sources attached to Israel.

All by historical facts.

Deny, reject them all you like.

Your thoughts and BDS attempts are worthless.

Just get back to the topic of the thread.

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK.

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

Stop with your bellyaching. You have been given links and evidence multiple times.

We are NOT playing your game.

All by sources attached to Israel.

All by historical facts.

Deny, reject them all you like.

Your thoughts and BDS attempts are worthless.

Just get back to the topic of the thread.

Not likely to get any truth out of Israel.

 

[Sixties Fan]

It's comical how your frantic cutting and pasting is so laughably inept.

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Link by non Israeli source?

Stop with your bellyaching. You have been given links and evidence multiple times.

We are NOT playing your game.

All by sources attached to Israel.

All by historical facts.

Deny, reject them all you like.

Your thoughts and BDS attempts are worthless.

Just get back to the topic of the thread.

Not likely to get any truth out of Israel.

You continue to be off topic and trolling.

What you actually mean, as the Sunday Christian that you are, is that no one should EVER believe Jews about anything.

And you make sure to repeat this Christian mantra on all the threads to make sure that Israel and Jews is equated, and Christian, Muslims and Atheists without brains, like yours, will go:
But you are right !! Israel (JEWS) cannot ever be trusted or believed about anything.

2000 years of Christian teachings.

You are the supreme teacher of each and every bit ever invented about Jews......and now by extension ......Israel.


Too bad for you.....

Am Israel Chai

THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL LIVE


And we are NOT going anywhere.


(Good day for you to go to confession )

 

[watchingfromafar]

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Then please explain this-------------
Googled “spitting on Christians” and I got 632000 results (0.34 seconds). Can you guess who the spitter's were/are? As a Christian does this trouble...you?

Spitting update
Reality is at your door. Muslims do not do the following & now you know who does
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them - Haaretz ...
https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1...

Oct 12, 2004 - Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them. A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
Holy Spit: Why Do Ultra-Orthodox Jews Spit at Christians? | Religion ...
religiondispatches.org/holy-spit-why-do-ultra-orthodox-jews-spit-at-christians/
Apr 7, 2010 - A very embarrassing and persistent problem has arisen in some of the sacred sites in Jerusalem where Christians and Jews cross each other's paths. Teenagers from a small sector of the city's many Ultra-Orthodox (“Haredi”) Ashkenazi Jewish communities have taken to spitting at clerics wearing prominent ...
Ynetnews Jewish Scene - ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'
ADL: Spitting at Christians a repulsive act

ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'. Jewish group calls on Israel's Chief Rabbinate to denounce decades-old ultra-Orthodox practice of spitting at Christian clergymen on the street. 'This is a hateful act of persecution against another faith group'. Ynetnews|Published: 15.12.11 , 15:19. The Anti-Defamation League ...
Brazilian 'Fiddler' director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians | The ...
Brazilian ‘Fiddler’ director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians...
Apr 28, 2016 - RIO DE JANEIRO – An acclaimed Brazilian theater director who recently put on a successful production of “Fiddler on the Roof” compared a lawmaker who spit on a colleague to Orthodox Jews, whom he said routinely spit on Christians. Claudio Botelho made the remarks last week on Facebook, according ...

Jan 31, 2013 -
Christians Feel Growing Oppression in Israel - Open Doors USA
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/take.../christians-feel-growing-oppression-in-israel/

The oppression of Christians in Israel comes mostly from Ultra-Orthodox Jews; though a minority in the country, the religious group has a major influence. In February, several Israeli newspapers had reports on the growing oppression. The spitting is especially a problem for priests and pastors who stand out with their ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse' | World news | The ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse'

Oct 16, 2004 - Jerusalem's Christian community has demanded that Jewish leaders and the Israeli government take action against what they claim is growing harassment of their clergy by religious Jews.Christians say ultra-Orthodox Jewish students spit at them or at the ground when they pass. There have also been ...
Spitting on Christians, who be the spitters? | Christian Forums
https://www.christianforums.com › ... › Social Justice Ministries

Jul 27, 2017 - 6 posts - ‎1 author
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
www.christianitytoday.com › The Magazine › 2004 › December
Shirvanian said spitting against Christian clergyman had been going on for years. He said the assailants are religious Jews—men, women, teens, and children. "This shows that it is a phenomenon that is prevailing in their religious education and it should be corrected," he said. Daniel Rossing, director of the Jerusalem ...
ADL: Jews Should Not Spit at Christians - National Catholic Register
www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/adl-jews-should-not-spit-at-christians

Jan 16, 2012 - The Anti-Defamation League has refused to accept the explanation by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate about its efforts to combat the phenomenon of Ultra-Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian clergymen in Jerusalem's Old City. While the Rabbinate asserts the ADL is “misguided' in publicly lashing out at the ...

The truth will set you free

 

[watchingfromafar]

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

BTW We, as in American citizens owe Israel nothing, nada, zip so I as---

In Jerusalem Israeli’s spit on Christians and the US press never reports it.

What’s up------?

 

[rylah]

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Then please explain this-------------
Googled “spitting on Christians” and I got 632000 results (0.34 seconds). Can you guess who the spitter's were/are? As a Christian does this trouble...you?

Spitting update
Reality is at your door. Muslims do not do the following & now you know who does
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them - Haaretz ...
https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1...

Oct 12, 2004 - Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them. A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
Holy Spit: Why Do Ultra-Orthodox Jews Spit at Christians? | Religion ...
religiondispatches.org/holy-spit-why-do-ultra-orthodox-jews-spit-at-christians/
Apr 7, 2010 - A very embarrassing and persistent problem has arisen in some of the sacred sites in Jerusalem where Christians and Jews cross each other's paths. Teenagers from a small sector of the city's many Ultra-Orthodox (“Haredi”) Ashkenazi Jewish communities have taken to spitting at clerics wearing prominent ...
Ynetnews Jewish Scene - ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'
ADL: Spitting at Christians a repulsive act

ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'. Jewish group calls on Israel's Chief Rabbinate to denounce decades-old ultra-Orthodox practice of spitting at Christian clergymen on the street. 'This is a hateful act of persecution against another faith group'. Ynetnews|Published: 15.12.11 , 15:19. The Anti-Defamation League ...
Brazilian 'Fiddler' director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians | The ...
Brazilian ‘Fiddler’ director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians...
Apr 28, 2016 - RIO DE JANEIRO – An acclaimed Brazilian theater director who recently put on a successful production of “Fiddler on the Roof” compared a lawmaker who spit on a colleague to Orthodox Jews, whom he said routinely spit on Christians. Claudio Botelho made the remarks last week on Facebook, according ...

Jan 31, 2013 -
Christians Feel Growing Oppression in Israel - Open Doors USA
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/take.../christians-feel-growing-oppression-in-israel/

The oppression of Christians in Israel comes mostly from Ultra-Orthodox Jews; though a minority in the country, the religious group has a major influence. In February, several Israeli newspapers had reports on the growing oppression. The spitting is especially a problem for priests and pastors who stand out with their ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse' | World news | The ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse'

Oct 16, 2004 - Jerusalem's Christian community has demanded that Jewish leaders and the Israeli government take action against what they claim is growing harassment of their clergy by religious Jews.Christians say ultra-Orthodox Jewish students spit at them or at the ground when they pass. There have also been ...
Spitting on Christians, who be the spitters? | Christian Forums
https://www.christianforums.com › ... › Social Justice Ministries

Jul 27, 2017 - 6 posts - ‎1 author
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
www.christianitytoday.com › The Magazine › 2004 › December
Shirvanian said spitting against Christian clergyman had been going on for years. He said the assailants are religious Jews—men, women, teens, and children. "This shows that it is a phenomenon that is prevailing in their religious education and it should be corrected," he said. Daniel Rossing, director of the Jerusalem ...
ADL: Jews Should Not Spit at Christians - National Catholic Register
www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/adl-jews-should-not-spit-at-christians

Jan 16, 2012 - The Anti-Defamation League has refused to accept the explanation by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate about its efforts to combat the phenomenon of Ultra-Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian clergymen in Jerusalem's Old City. While the Rabbinate asserts the ADL is “misguided' in publicly lashing out at the ...

The truth will set you free

They should go try proselytizing publicaly in Gaza,
I'm sure will be welcomed with open arms...

The mission has reached virtually every city, they're putting Roman Bibles and flyers into postboxes of every Israeli they can reach, big road posters. They especially target the Jewish Orthodox community and regular people who come to religious sites to pray.

When You sell to people something that is 180 degrees opposed their values, and so aggressively....You'll get a variety of responses - from total ignoring to hostility, that's natural taken that a vast majority of these people had their whole families wiped out by Christians just 2 generations ago. Not to mention the 2000 years of Christian dark ages.

As if Christian clergy has ever spared Jews of "special attention", was not at the center of vicious blood libels and massacres and attempts to destroy Jewish heritage.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The only ethnic cleansing in so-called Pal'istan has been the purge of Christians and Jews by islamics.

Then please explain this-------------
Googled “spitting on Christians” and I got 632000 results (0.34 seconds). Can you guess who the spitter's were/are? As a Christian does this trouble...you?

Spitting update
Reality is at your door. Muslims do not do the following & now you know who does
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them - Haaretz ...
https://www.haaretz.com/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1...

Oct 12, 2004 - Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them. A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem's Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.
Holy Spit: Why Do Ultra-Orthodox Jews Spit at Christians? | Religion ...
religiondispatches.org/holy-spit-why-do-ultra-orthodox-jews-spit-at-christians/
Apr 7, 2010 - A very embarrassing and persistent problem has arisen in some of the sacred sites in Jerusalem where Christians and Jews cross each other's paths. Teenagers from a small sector of the city's many Ultra-Orthodox (“Haredi”) Ashkenazi Jewish communities have taken to spitting at clerics wearing prominent ...
Ynetnews Jewish Scene - ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'
ADL: Spitting at Christians a repulsive act

ADL: Spitting at Christians a 'repulsive act'. Jewish group calls on Israel's Chief Rabbinate to denounce decades-old ultra-Orthodox practice of spitting at Christian clergymen on the street. 'This is a hateful act of persecution against another faith group'. Ynetnews|Published: 15.12.11 , 15:19. The Anti-Defamation League ...
Brazilian 'Fiddler' director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians | The ...
Brazilian ‘Fiddler’ director: Orthodox Jews spit on Christians...
Apr 28, 2016 - RIO DE JANEIRO – An acclaimed Brazilian theater director who recently put on a successful production of “Fiddler on the Roof” compared a lawmaker who spit on a colleague to Orthodox Jews, whom he said routinely spit on Christians. Claudio Botelho made the remarks last week on Facebook, according ...

Jan 31, 2013 -
Christians Feel Growing Oppression in Israel - Open Doors USA
https://www.opendoorsusa.org/take.../christians-feel-growing-oppression-in-israel/

The oppression of Christians in Israel comes mostly from Ultra-Orthodox Jews; though a minority in the country, the religious group has a major influence. In February, several Israeli newspapers had reports on the growing oppression. The spitting is especially a problem for priests and pastors who stand out with their ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse' | World news | The ...
Ultra-orthodox Jews 'must stop religious abuse'

Oct 16, 2004 - Jerusalem's Christian community has demanded that Jewish leaders and the Israeli government take action against what they claim is growing harassment of their clergy by religious Jews.Christians say ultra-Orthodox Jewish students spit at them or at the ground when they pass. There have also been ...
Spitting on Christians, who be the spitters? | Christian Forums
https://www.christianforums.com › ... › Social Justice Ministries

Jul 27, 2017 - 6 posts - ‎1 author
Spitting on God's Image | Christianity Today
www.christianitytoday.com › The Magazine › 2004 › December
Shirvanian said spitting against Christian clergyman had been going on for years. He said the assailants are religious Jews—men, women, teens, and children. "This shows that it is a phenomenon that is prevailing in their religious education and it should be corrected," he said. Daniel Rossing, director of the Jerusalem ...
ADL: Jews Should Not Spit at Christians - National Catholic Register
www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/adl-jews-should-not-spit-at-christians

Jan 16, 2012 - The Anti-Defamation League has refused to accept the explanation by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate about its efforts to combat the phenomenon of Ultra-Orthodox Jews spitting at Christian clergymen in Jerusalem's Old City. While the Rabbinate asserts the ADL is “misguided' in publicly lashing out at the ...

The truth will set you free

That was a lot of cutting and pasting but whatever for?

It had no connection to my posted comment.

The truth eludes you.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Dear fellow posters,

Let us stop answering posts which have nothing to do with the thread. Posts which should be on the religion community.

"Watchingfromafar" is one of the many birds who like to fly over to these threads and spread some religion and other nonsense which haver nothing to do with the threads per se.

We have clearly stopped posting about the Mandate and the creation of Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

 

[Hollie]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: The Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
※→ watchingfromafar, et al,

Oh come on, let's be reasonable.

(creation of Israel)​

The 51st State of the USA will be~~

For all practical purposes, Israel is America’s 51st State. The US gives Israel 10’s of $billions of dollars each year and yet American Citizen’s did not vote for this.

What’s up?

(COMMENT)

This is a propaganda line used to provoke an emotion (stir trouble) from people that don't understand what the representatives in Washington do, and how the annual budget process works. In a very high percentage (≈ 90%) of the US annual budget is not voted-on by the general citizenry, but by the Senatorial and House Representatives. In some cases, it is done by diplomatic arrangements, but the Senate still must approve the Foreign Agreements:

P.L. 115-141, the FY2018 Consolidated Appropriations Act, provides the following for Israel:
• Congressional Research Service www.crs.gov RL33222 •

• $3.1 billion in Foreign Military Financing, of which $815.3 million is for off-shore procurement;

• $705.8 million for joint U.S. - Israeli missile defense projects, including $92million for Iron Dome, $221.5 million for David's Sling, $310 million for Arrow 3, and $82.3 million for Arrow 2;

• $47.5 million for the U.S.-Israeli anti-tunnel cooperation program;

• $7.5 million in Migration and Refugee Assistance;

• $4 million for the establishment of a U.S.-Israel Center of Excellence in energy and water technologies;

• $2 million for the Israel-U.S. Binational Research & Development Foundation (BIRD) Energy program; and

• The reauthorization of War Reserves Stock Allies-Israel (WRSA-I) program through fiscal year 2019​

Don't confuse the meaning of "Foreign Military Financing." While some of is no the form of grants, some is in the form of loans. and loans to help countries purchase weapons and defense equipment produced in the United States

I think it is time for a national vote on this.

Either we bring in Israel as our 51st State and they pay their fair share or we stop the $billions in handouts.

How do you vote-?

(COMMENT)

Well, this is done to maintain the “qualitative military edge” (QME) in the defensive combat ca[[abiities over potential enemies throughout the region.

This report provides an overview of U.S. foreign assistance to Israel. It includes a review of past aid programs, data on annual assistance, and analysis of current issues. For general information on Israel, see CRS Report RL33476, Israel: Background and U.S. Relations, by Jim Zanotti. Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date, the United States has provided Israel $127.4 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance, although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance.

(COMMENT)

Don't confuse "annual" FMS and the "cumulative" Defesne and Military Aid. While you did quote the 2016 CRS on Relations and how the Israeli relations with Regional Arab issues --- impact the relationship with the US. That political data is about four-to-five years old; --- the CRS on U.S. Foreign Aid to Israel (supra) puts a much more realistic view on the graeter issue of aid and some of the reasoning.

Most Respectfully,
R

Indeed, Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Indeed, that's an ignorant comment relative to Israel developing a world class economy.

Indeed, perhaps you could compare for us the GDP of Israel vs. that of Gaza'istan. I'll even allow you to include the welfare fraud that sustains the Islamic terrorist enclave of Gaza'istan.

I'll start here: Israel Economy Facts & Stats

With what Israel has stolen and mooched, Haiti would be a prosperous country.

Take this derailing of the thread to the "Who are the Palestinians" thread.

After all, with what the PA and Hamas have been given or stolen from around the world, they could have had two very successful countries in Gaza and the PA territories.

If only they were about constructing a country and not destroying Israel and historical non Muslim places in the area, they would have had one heck of a tourism industry.

Instead, all one has are very "fat" cats in the Hamas, Fatah, PLO leadership living the life they could not lead had they done things honestly and legally.

Cheating and killing others is what is known as hard work and success with some Muslim Arabs.

A practice going on all the way back to Mohammad himself.

The destruction of Palestine has always been Israel's goal and they have mooched enough equipment to do it.