The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[MarcATL]

You are entitled to believe what you wish, Edgetho. He has all the stars aligned in his favor, regardless of the bias coming from the judge. If he is convicted here, it will be overturned on appeal. It will be a miscarriage of justice to convict a man without preponderance of evidence to suggest he committed the crime for which he is accused.

I don't believe Appeals Courts overturn based on evidence. Not even sure they review evidence.

I think they review based on mistakes and objections.

I could be wrong. I'm just a layman with a layman's knowledge. Which is very limited.

Maybe one of Attorney friends could jump in on this.

I was watching coverage today and recordings of yesterday's action. The judge made three potentially damning errors which could possibly sway the jury into a conviction, O'Mara now knows this, and now he is laying grounds for an appeal. She completely disregarded Lamarque and Caldwell, which potentially violates Zimmerman's 5th Amendment rights to proper presentment before a jury. The texts were compelling evidence, as were the pictures of the gun and the weed. Her disallowance of the Defense to properly prepare themselves yesterday is another, lastly her overall behavior towards the defense suggests bias.

They are (should) review on the judge's bias. It has been clear for an amount of time that she is pro prosecution.

LOLz!!!

 

[dilloduck]

The point is, you are as much in error of assuming that Trayvon Martin was going about his lawful business as much as you are in error by assuming the George Zimmerman was acting unlawfully or negligently and/or intended to commit murder.

You weren't there. Neither were any of others of us here. We all are informed only by what we see on television or read in the newspapers or on the internet or hear on the radio. George Zimmerman may be as guilty as sin or as innocent as the wind driven snow. Ditto Trayvon Martin. None of us have any way to know that for sure.

But in my opinion, anybody who is any way fair minded has to know that the prosecution has not made a case that George Zimmerman is guilty of anything other than self defense which is not a crime in Florida or anywhere else for that matter.

Don't assume that I'm on anyone's side here...I'm not hoping for a conviction, nor an acquittal.
GZ might have been assaulted, I don't know.
But, the fact remains, it happened because GZ was suspicious of TM.
He wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as the suspect in written statements many times. Seems like a wannabe cop to me..

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

 

[Sunshine]

Did I miss anything? ​

Arghhhhhhh, over 600 posts since the last time I checked in.

Hate it when life gets in the way of a trial

You missed the commentary about the attorneys straddling life size dolls in the court room?

Tsk, Tsk.

THIS ***** IS MINE!!!

With coverage like this, who would want to be sequestered in the jury?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Obama and his tyrannical sidekick Holder, promoting racial tension and race wars using YOUR tax dollars:

Daily Caller: Holder Spent Tax-Payer $ Supporting Anti-Zimmerman Protests - Fox Nation

Why does the black community want more violence?

 

[idb]

Don't assume that I'm on anyone's side here...I'm not hoping for a conviction, nor an acquittal.
GZ might have been assaulted, I don't know.
But, the fact remains, it happened because GZ was suspicious of TM.

He wouldn't have been there otherwise.

To the bolded...why?

To the underlined, Zimmerman lived there, so why shouldn't he have 'been there'?

If you truly believe that GZ just happened to be in that place at that time because he wanted to go for a walk to stretch his legs then I can't help you.

 

[Sarah G]

Don't assume that I'm on anyone's side here...I'm not hoping for a conviction, nor an acquittal.
GZ might have been assaulted, I don't know.
But, the fact remains, it happened because GZ was suspicious of TM.
He wouldn't have been there otherwise.

Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as the suspect in written statements many times. Seems like a wannabe cop to me..

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

 

[dilloduck]

Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as the suspect in written statements many times. Seems like a wannabe cop to me..

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

I think just walking did it

 

[RKMBrown]

Zimmerman referred to Trayvon as the suspect in written statements many times. Seems like a wannabe cop to me..

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

It's probably not too often you see a late teen taking a leisurely stroll in the rain these days...

 

[Sarah G]

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

It's probably not too often you see a late teen taking a leisurely stroll in the rain these days...

Drizzle.

 

[TemplarKormac]

I don't believe Appeals Courts overturn based on evidence. Not even sure they review evidence.

I think they review based on mistakes and objections.

I could be wrong. I'm just a layman with a layman's knowledge. Which is very limited.

Maybe one of Attorney friends could jump in on this.

I was watching coverage today and recordings of yesterday's action. The judge made three potentially damning errors which could possibly sway the jury into a conviction, O'Mara now knows this, and now he is laying grounds for an appeal. She completely disregarded Lamarque and Caldwell, which potentially violates Zimmerman's 5th Amendment rights to proper presentment before a jury. The texts were compelling evidence, as were the pictures of the gun and the weed. Her disallowance of the Defense to properly prepare themselves yesterday is another, lastly her overall behavior towards the defense suggests bias.

They are (should) review on the judge's bias. It has been clear for an amount of time that she is pro prosecution.

LOLz!!!

I haven't negged you in a while Marc. Enjoy.

 

[Sunshine]

That should be a criminal offense huh ?

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

I think just walking did it

Looking in houses.

 

[Ravi]

That is just as silly as arguing that people who are being attacked have to run away instead of defending themselves.

wtf? That is why the law was written, so people being attacked aren't obligated to run away. Having an overweight ****** with a gun following you is a valid reason to be proactive.

Soory but I really want a link to that claim. And Trayvon had no clue that GZ had a gun until after the fight had already started. Trayvon walked right up to George's truck. He obviously wasn't that afraid. He certainly wasn't so afraid that he hid at home. Educate yourself before you start this shit, Ravi.

Google "text of Florida stand your ground law" and you'll see what the law is....not to mention that Martin didn't "walk right up to Z's truck" rather Z's truck followed Martin and he circled around it.

 

[dilloduck]

It's telling. It's what he was actually doing there, Trayvon became a suspect, how?

Walking while Black.

It's probably not too often you see a late teen taking a leisurely stroll in the rain these days...

Drizzle.

lots of recent crime in the area. He was victimized by history

 

[testarosa]

Went to bffs so she could tivo/ catch up last night with a yell partner.

Pissed all over again. So under judges cell logic if a pedophile has kid porn on his computer she would throw it out because a 7 year old could hack the password, change file extensions, encrypt and hide thousands of photos and porn on the pedophiles computer.

Have I got that right?

Shit I just screwed my new phone spell check from the Jodi trial on "pedophile"

need more tequila ?

Nah we're doing summer ale. All good.

 

[LadyGunSlinger]

Obama and his tyrannical sidekick Holder, promoting racial tension and race wars using YOUR tax dollars:

Daily Caller: Holder Spent Tax-Payer $ Supporting Anti-Zimmerman Protests - Fox Nation

Why does the black community want more violence?

The real question is what does racial divide do to an already polarized American electorate and why would a sitting US President and his Admin promote it?

MARXISM- chaos.. We just had this Administration ORDER government employees to turn on one another - just as we saw in Nazi Germany.. This Administration is purposely inciting hatred and division between Americans.. We already have LEFTISTS on this forum who are all too happy to betray and harm fellow Americans who don't tow the MARXIST line.. It's all a consolidated effort.

 

[wavingrl]

Someone--I don't know who--remarked that he had an unusually interesting and accomplished group of friends.

I haven't thought much about his appearance--under such circumstances anyone who can sit stoically through hours and hours of the legal process gets a pass from me.

'They' thought the woman called as a final witness was a good choice and it clarified to me that he has a genuine interest in his community. That is how I would respond to her testimony.
Far too emotional myself to serve on this jury and perhaps on any jury.

Why he couldn't have hit TM over the head with the gun--but I don't know. Self defense.

Having never engaged in a physical altercation it is difficult to judge what thoughts or feelings might be involved. Adrenaline---but that is the jury's job to decide.

I have been physically assaulted. I was working alone when a transient, a guy plenty big enough to take me out with a single blow, came in demanding money. When I told him I didn't have any he became angry and irate. He locked the door and had me cornered and was so threatening I honestly thought I was a goner. I had no weapon of any kind at my disposal. I honestly cannot remember every detail--trauma of that kind does that to you--but somehow I did manage to convince him I would need to get to the (nonexistent) safe in the next room, he stepped back just enough to let me get past him and out another door and ran to the Methodist church next door. The transient was rifling through my desk--he somehow missed my purse that was under it--when he was interrupted by my boss returning and he fled.

If I had had a gun that day however, and had seen no way to escape, would I have shot? I almost certainly would have. Would my intent be to kill the guy? I don't think so. It would have been to stop him from whatever violence he intended to do. And he hadn't even touched me yet. In the situation almost everybody now believes George Zimmerman was in, was he justified in shooting? I would have. Was his intent to kill or stop the assault? I would guess the latter. But none of us know for sure do we?

Here in KY, we have special relationships with out guns. We are taught from an early age in that type situation never to pick up a gun unless we plan to kill the person. I had a break in at my house in TN, and once before I moved away, I answered the door with my gun in my hand hidden behind the door. There is no doubt in my mind I would have used it. Otherwise, I would not have even picked it up.

Bottom line, you don't know what they have and when they see your gun, they could pull one and get you first.

My mother was/is of the 'no guns in this house' school.

So, while I agree that those who are properly trained and have the temperament to be judicious and/or responsible in using them can/should, I don't have the experience and knowledge myself.
I have observed fights among/between middle school students. Things get intense--that much I know. Plenty of profanity--this was considered unexceptional.

Whatever was said by either party--that doesn't carry much weight with me.

The use of the dummy to illustrate for either side was confusing to me.

Hopefully the jurors can sort this out.

O'Mara reiterated in his press conference--'Self defense is self defense.'

I taught some pretty incorrigible kids and would hate to learn that any of them had been killed. There wasn't much that anyone seemed to be able to say or do for some. They really hated me or so they said. So tired of all the hating---but that is just me and some insight into why this case is of interest to me. fwiw.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I don't understand "Marxism" and why anyone would want to become a part of it. We'd be better off peacefully debating on ways to better our own nation.

We should debate our inner-city violence
we should debate our failing schools
we should debate our energy problems

We're becoming a nation that can't talk to each other...A nation of extremes. Why does the left not believe self defense should be used? That seems to be a rather extreme position that favors the attackers right to attack and kill you.

 

[TemplarKormac]

1. It isn't illegal to come up to someone to ask a question
2. It is assault to attack someone(trayvon )
3. It is within Zimmermans rights to defend his self when trayvon is screaming I am going to kill you mother ******.

How much more clear does it need to be?

I would love to see what you would think and do if a "Trayvon Martin type" was following your ass around in a truck when you were just walking down the street and minding your business. I would like to see what you would do if he got out of his truck to look for you. See if zimmerman was a Black guy and Martin was a white kid with the same "facts" that are in this case, I can guarantee your ass would be going to the race forum and crying about "the Blacks" and how he killed an innocent white kid who was scared because "the evil Black" was following him when he simply was on his way home with skittles and a drink in his hand.

Thanks for the laugh!!!

I would love it if a liberal actually stopped by this thread and actually considered the facts. The fact that all you can do is spew rhetoric instead of substance is quite telling. You cannot see past your own bias to make a clear determination. All you know is that Zimmerman is a bad man and he must be punished! Actually, it doesn't freaking matter what race one or the other was, attacking or assaulting someone is wrong. Taking life is justifiable (such as with Zimmerman's case) as long as there is a reason for it. But in every other case, killing is wrong. Someone could be all the colors of the rainbow and still kill someone, but since you see things through your tinted eyes, you only see one color not all of them.

Now, it would help if you did a lot of growing up, and a lot less trolling about things that exceed your comprehension.

 

[Sunshine]

Drizzle.

Larry Donner: The night was hot, wait no, the night, the night was humid. The night was humid, no wait, hot, hot. The night was hot. The night was hot and wet, wet and hot. The night was wet and hot, hot and wet, wet and hot; that's humid. The night was humid.
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Larry Donner: The night was dry, yet it was raining.
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Mrs. Lift: The night was sultry.

Throw Mamma from the Train.

 

[testarosa]

There isn't one as far as I'm aware.
I'm sorry though, I missed your point.

The point is, you are as much in error of assuming that Trayvon Martin was going about his lawful business as much as you are in error by assuming the George Zimmerman was acting unlawfully or negligently and/or intended to commit murder.

You weren't there. Neither were any of others of us here. We all are informed only by what we see on television or read in the newspapers or on the internet or hear on the radio. George Zimmerman may be as guilty as sin or as innocent as the wind driven snow. Ditto Trayvon Martin. None of us have any way to know that for sure.

But in my opinion, anybody who is any way fair minded has to know that the prosecution has not made a case that George Zimmerman is guilty of anything other than self defense which is not a crime in Florida or anywhere else for that matter.

Don't assume that I'm on anyone's side here...I'm not hoping for a conviction, nor an acquittal.
GZ might have been assaulted, I don't know.
But, the fact remains, it happened because GZ was suspicious of TM.
He wouldn't have been there otherwise.

This point was evaporated for me with Foxys excellent point about checking out suspicious or unusual people in the area. There are no breakins where I live but I routinely follow or report weird stuff and ill do it again in five minutes if I see something. I bet all of us have or would. Neighborhood watch, breakins not even withstanding.

I just do it because its out of the ordinary... much less "suspicious"