The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[Sarah G]

Ok, here is the jacket when he was being booked. Did the paramedics launder it too?

(Back of Zimmerman's Jacket 45 minutes after he was alleged on his back in a bloody, muddy scuffle)

How does this prove your case? If the witnesses are testifying that the guy in red was on the bottom. How does posting Zimmerman in his jacket prove he was the aggressor?

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

 

[Ernie S.]

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>>> You are either doing a piss poor job at sarcasm, or you are retarded.
Nah.. you are just having difficulty putting your feet in TMs shoes. Your feet are in GZs shoes.

You seem to have the shoe/shoe problem. Most of your snipped suppositions are false at worst or biased at best.
My opinion is based on information I have learned as a result of research. Yours is based on emotions.

 

[legaleagle_45]

Ok, here is the jacket when he was being booked. Did the paramedics launder it too?

Probably not, the jacket would have dried and the grass rubbed off in the drive to the police station. Do you believe that the police lied when they stated in the police report that the back of his jacket was "wet and covered with grass, like he had been lying on his back"?

Can you also explain why Martins hoody was wet in the front yet relatively dry on the back?

 

[TemplarKormac]

Ok, here is the jacket when he was being booked. Did the paramedics launder it too?

(Back of Zimmerman's Jacket 45 minutes after he was alleged on his back in a bloody, muddy scuffle)

Yep, same jacket. Your arguments are easily countered:

Zimmerman as he was when the officers on scene photographed him on the night he shot Martin. Note the blood and the red-orange jacket.

 

[Wake]

blood would likely have more of a horizontal slant towards his ears/temples.

Zimmerman's wounds in the back of the head are what give the biggest problems with the theory that Zimmerman was on top. if He was on top of Trayvon in a struggle, how on earth does he get injuries to the back of the head. Unlss of course, Trayvon jumped him from behidn earlier on.

Either way they don't help the prosecution and certainly are strong cicumstantial evidence for the defense.[/QUOTE]

Exactly. That's one of the main reasons why I think Zimmerman was on the bottom.

This court trial has been fascinating to watch and it'd be nice if there was a place to view the whole thing. The way it's going it seems the defense will win this one.

 

[legaleagle_45]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

No one claimed there were grass stains, blood or mud on the back of Zimmermans jacket. Again, do you believe the police lied in their police report?

 

[Wake]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

 

[Avatar4321]

Ok, here is the jacket when he was being booked. Did the paramedics launder it too?

(Back of Zimmerman's Jacket 45 minutes after he was alleged on his back in a bloody, muddy scuffle)

How does this prove your case? If the witnesses are testifying that the guy in red was on the bottom. How does posting Zimmerman in his jacket prove he was the aggressor?

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

Why would you? Was the ground moist? hard to get grass stains or mud without moisture? Was the struggle even in the grass or on the sidewalk?

Why would there be blood on the back of the jacket? The injuries were to the head. If the injuries were caused by his head hitting the ground, the back of the jacket would have been against the ground. Why would you expect blood on it?

It's clear from the pictures that while the head blead a bit, that it was dry before hitting the jacket. Not to mention there is a collar to the jacket and if any blood reached the jacket, you wouldn't see it because it would likely deposit behind the collar.

Are you expecting huge stains of blood? There could be small starts of blood mud, or grass stains on the jacket. Without closer examination you can't say there arent.

 

[Katzndogz]

The latest witness for the prosecution testified that Zimmerman was on the ground with Martin giving him a ground and pound.

The prosecution seems to be putting on all defense witnesses.

 

[AyeCantSeeYou]

Witness John Good - probably should have been considered the most important witness for this trial. He is the one that went outside and saw more of what happened than anyone else.

Yeah he's also the despicable jerk that decided to not help the guy crying out for help.

And just who is the person that was crying out for help? Since you seem to know as a fact who it was, tell us all so that can be cleared up.

As far as what I've heard in the trial so far, no person has come forward to say with 100% confidence that it was M or Z.

 

[Avatar4321]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

Why would we presume the scuffle occured on wet grass?

 

[Ernie S.]

How can being called a delicious salty snack be racist? there was no rage, Martin was trying to get away from Zimmerman. Zimmerman was not violently beat. Zimmerman chased Martin down and confronted him, they got into a fight,Zimmerman got a couple minor injuries and killed Martin.

You are either doing a piss poor job at sarcasm, or you are retarded.

Anyone?

Insults don't intimidate anyone on a message nor do they advance your argument.

Nor does stupidity. I am sorry I pointed out yours. We friends now?

 

[TemplarKormac]

How does this prove your case? If the witnesses are testifying that the guy in red was on the bottom. How does posting Zimmerman in his jacket prove he was the aggressor?

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

Why would you? Was the ground moist? hard to get grass stains or mud without moisture? Was the struggle even in the grass or on the sidewalk?

Why would there be blood on the back of the jacket? The injuries were to the head. If the injuries were caused by his head hitting the ground, the back of the jacket would have been against the ground. Why would you expect blood on it?

It's clear from the pictures that while the head blead a bit, that it was dry before hitting the jacket. Not to mention there is a collar to the jacket and if any blood reached the jacket, you wouldn't see it because it would likely deposit behind the collar.

Are you expecting huge stains of blood? There could be small starts of blood mud, or grass stains on the jacket. Without closer examination you can't say there arent.

Regardless of whether or not there was blood or stains on the jacket, if he had washed it, he would have been guilty of tampering with evidence.

 

[legaleagle_45]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

The police report states that the back of Z's jacket was wet and covered with grass clippings. No indications of mud, blood or grass stains

The pictures of Martins hoody show the front is soaked while the back is relatively dry. There are grass stains at the knee on Martins pants

 

[Avatar4321]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

Why would you? Was the ground moist? hard to get grass stains or mud without moisture? Was the struggle even in the grass or on the sidewalk?

Why would there be blood on the back of the jacket? The injuries were to the head. If the injuries were caused by his head hitting the ground, the back of the jacket would have been against the ground. Why would you expect blood on it?

It's clear from the pictures that while the head blead a bit, that it was dry before hitting the jacket. Not to mention there is a collar to the jacket and if any blood reached the jacket, you wouldn't see it because it would likely deposit behind the collar.

Are you expecting huge stains of blood? There could be small starts of blood mud, or grass stains on the jacket. Without closer examination you can't say there arent.

Regardless of whether or not there was blood or stains on the jacket, if he had washed it, he would have been guilty of tampering with evidence.

Since he wasnt charged with that, I would say it's a safe conclusion that he didn't

 

[thanatos144]

Chantel served as the most devastating to the prosecution's case.

Why do you think that?

I think she was a very credible witness...she resonated well with most people. She was certainly real, there was no faking anything with her.

It's not looking good for Zimmerman right about now.

How can you even function in real life with being so Afrocentric? cause I have to tell you putting a ignorant racist girl on the stand wasn't a good thing.

 

[TemplarKormac]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

Why would we presume the scuffle occured on wet grass?

Martin's pants were wet at the knees. There were wet grass stains on the back of Zimmerman's jacket. Martin on top, Zimmerman on bottom. The facts are irrefutable.

 

[Avatar4321]

See any grass stains, mud, blood, anything? Looks like he just washed it.

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

The police report states that the back of Z's jacket was wet and covered with grass clippings. No indications of mud, blood or grass stains

The pictures of Martins hoody show the front is soaked while the back is relatively dry. There are grass stains at the knee on Martins pants

More evidence for the defense.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why would you? Was the ground moist? hard to get grass stains or mud without moisture? Was the struggle even in the grass or on the sidewalk?

Why would there be blood on the back of the jacket? The injuries were to the head. If the injuries were caused by his head hitting the ground, the back of the jacket would have been against the ground. Why would you expect blood on it?

It's clear from the pictures that while the head blead a bit, that it was dry before hitting the jacket. Not to mention there is a collar to the jacket and if any blood reached the jacket, you wouldn't see it because it would likely deposit behind the collar.

Are you expecting huge stains of blood? There could be small starts of blood mud, or grass stains on the jacket. Without closer examination you can't say there arent.

Regardless of whether or not there was blood or stains on the jacket, if he had washed it, he would have been guilty of tampering with evidence.

Since he wasnt charged with that, I would say it's a safe conclusion that he didn't

Precisely. Sarah would be wrong in saying "it looks like he just washed it".

 

[Avatar4321]

That question has merit.

If Zimmerman were on the bottom, and presumably this scuffle was on wet grass, why are there no stains on the back of his jacket?

Furthermore, are there any stains on Martin's pants?

Why would we presume the scuffle occured on wet grass?

Martin's pants were wet at the knees. There were wet grass stains on the back of Zimmerman's jacket. Martin on top, Zimmerman on bottom. The facts are irrefutable.

good to know. Im very much aware that we can't possibly tell how much grass stains there were without a closer examination of the jacket.

I don't think the prosecution will do that though, because the evidence right now points to Zimmerman being on the bottom.