The Official Zimmerman Trial Verdict Thread

[25Caliber]

It's great how we get to hear zimmermans story. Right from his mouth. I wonder if he will say martin initiated the fight.

I actually am beginning to believe that Zimmerman started it. I think he started it when he said he reached for his phone...I think he may have been reaching for his gun instead. According to Z he was charged while reaching for his phone...so if thats the case he started it in my opinion...how would trayvon know what he was grabbing for?

I still want to hear the evidence from both sides, but lets try and be objective for both sides.

 

[jon_berzerk]

i just want a fair trial

hopefully those wanting on the jury with an agenda

will be weeded out

They got rid of one guy who seemed to be biased against Zimmerman....
And he was doing everything he could to get on that jury...

yes he came back today had to be removed for trespassing

 

[WorldWatcher]

It's great how we get to hear zimmermans story. Right from his mouth. I wonder if he will say martin initiated the fight.

Well Martin did initiate the fight. Whats the issue?

Your evidence of that not based on Zimmerman's story is...?


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[25Caliber]

The actual evidence that comes into the trial will determine the opinion of most of us. We have heard many things, but what is concrete and comes in may be two different things.

Has anyone listened to the jury questions? How do you think the questioning is going and have there been many that you felt could really be impartial?

I listened to several today...most had an agenda and werent being truthful, Imo. I did like two of the ladie and one of the males. I would have taken 3 from today possible 4.

 

[WorldWatcher]

People who are shot can still move.

The bullet went through the heart and Zimmerman said after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Are you saying Zimmerman didn't tell the truth about getting on top of the body and that a heart shot body crawled down the sidewalk and into the grass?


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Listen to the re enactment thing again. Z claims that Martin even spoke after he was shot and humans CAN speak after being shot in the heart

A dying gasp does not move you down the sidewalk, especially with Zimmerman sitting on you. Remember Zimmerman said that after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Don't you believe Zimmerman?


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[25Caliber]

i just want a fair trial

hopefully those wanting on the jury with an agenda

will be weeded out

They got rid of one guy who seemed to be biased against Zimmerman....
And he was doing everything he could to get on that jury...

yes he came back today had to be removed for trespassing

Hey Jon, whats up buddy? Hey which juror was that...was it the restaurant manager one?

 

[jon_berzerk]

The actual evidence that comes into the trial will determine the opinion of most of us. We have heard many things, but what is concrete and comes in may be two different things.

Has anyone listened to the jury questions? How do you think the questioning is going and have there been many that you felt could really be impartial?

I listened to several today...most had an agenda and werent being truthful, Imo. I did like two of the ladie and one of the males. I would have taken 3 from today possible 4.

i just watched the omara presser sounds like it went well today

and on Monday they will have evening court to finish up the frye hearing

 

[25Caliber]

Zimmerman was looking for a house number not a street sign. He was heading toward the lit part of a street that he already new the name of. 9-1-1 asked him for info and he was trying to give it to them.

I've previously supplied a link to the audio where he said he was looking for a street sign, he also said he was looking for a street sign in his written statement.

OK, he went to the back of the houses to find a house number? When did they strart mounting house numbers on the back of houses? That and he walked past the front of houses with the lights on and the house numbers were clearly visible without going behind the houses.

There are only three streets in the development (Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees Lane, and Long Oak Way). Zimmerman lived there for over two years, was the Neighborhood Watch Captain, and had made dozens of calls to the police. Twin Trees Lane is the road entrance to both the north and south entrances, after entering on Twin Trees Lane you then turn onto Retreat View Circle. He didn't know the name of the street he turned on to / off of every time he entered or left the development? Hard to believe.



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he was already behind the houses----he was heading to the front to look for a number. Where the light was---you think that's odd ?

Agree and he had a right to go wherever he wanted as did Martin...he wasnt breaking any laws. The dispatcher kept him engaged and he had agreed to meet the cops at the mailboxes, which it appears he was heading back to when the confrontation happened. I dont get it...he can walk where he wants to.

 

[dilloduck]

The bullet went through the heart and Zimmerman said after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Are you saying Zimmerman didn't tell the truth about getting on top of the body and that a heart shot body crawled down the sidewalk and into the grass?


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Listen to the re enactment thing again. Z claims that Martin even spoke after he was shot and humans CAN speak after being shot in the heart

A dying gasp does not move you down the sidewalk, especially with Zimmerman sitting on you. Remember Zimmerman said that after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Don't you believe Zimmerman?


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omg---are you seriously trying to put me on trial ?
ask a real expert how far a man can move after being shot if you don't believe me-----you're grasping at straws on this body position shit.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Zimmerman was looking for a house number not a street sign. He was heading toward the lit part of a street that he already new the name of. 9-1-1 asked him for info and he was trying to give it to them.

I've previously supplied a link to the audio where he said he was looking for a street sign, he also said he was looking for a street sign in his written statement.

OK, he went to the back of the houses to find a house number? When did they strart mounting house numbers on the back of houses? That and he walked past the front of houses with the lights on and the house numbers were clearly visible without going behind the houses.

There are only three streets in the development (Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees Lane, and Long Oak Way). Zimmerman lived there for over two years, was the Neighborhood Watch Captain, and had made dozens of calls to the police. Twin Trees Lane is the road entrance to both the north and south entrances, after entering on Twin Trees Lane you then turn onto Retreat View Circle. He didn't know the name of the street he turned on to / off of every time he entered or left the development? Hard to believe.



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he was already behind the houses----he was heading to the front to look for a number. Where the light was---you think that's odd ?

I'm looking for a house number, I'm in front of houses with lights on (including garage lights with the numbers mounted right next to them) and walk behind the houses to find the numbers in the rear?

Ya, I think that's odd.

However Zimmerman said he went looking for a street sign. From his written statement:

"The suspect once again disappeared between the back of some houses. The dispatcher once again asked me for my exact location. I could not remember the name of the street so I got out of my car to look for a street sign."​

1. The dispatcher didn't ask for an exact location, the dispatcher asked with way the subject when (paraphrased).

2. When you heard Zimmerman exit the truck, the dispatcher did ask Zimmerman if he was following the individual. Zimmerman's reply was "Yes". Do during the call Zimmerman said he exited to follow Martin, but in his written statement he said it was to go behind the houses to find a street sign. Sounds like trying to craft a story after the fact.

3. When writing the statement, during the audio interviews, and during the reenactment - Zimmerman didn't know that Martin was talking on the phone. So there would be a witness that can testify about what she heard (and what she heard Zimmerman say is not hearsay as Zimmerman is able to take the stand and provide conflicting testimony).


http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/21/written_statement_0226.pdf


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[jon_berzerk]

They got rid of one guy who seemed to be biased against Zimmerman....
And he was doing everything he could to get on that jury...

yes he came back today had to be removed for trespassing

Hey Jon, whats up buddy? Hey which juror was that...was it the restaurant manager one?

everything is good worked late then yard work --LOL

it was juror E7

he was the one busted for posting some stuff on facebook

Dismissed juror returns to court, is escorted out
A potential juror in the George Zimmerman trial who was dismissed earlier in the week over a Facebook post has been escorted from the Seminole County Criminal Justice Center after showing back up to the courthouse Friday.
Juror E-7 was dismissed Wednesday after it was discovered that he bashed the Sanford Police Department on Facebook in support of Trayvon Martin.

The dismissed juror, identified as Jerry P. Counelis, 56, was surrounded by several law enforcement officers Friday. He was given a trespass warning and ordered not to come back to the courthouse until after the trial.

George Zimmerman trial: Frye hearing resumes Monday afternoon | News 13

you can read his posting here

» Dismissed Zimmerman juror escorted from courthouse after trespassing - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion

 

[WorldWatcher]

I've previously supplied a link to the audio where he said he was looking for a street sign, he also said he was looking for a street sign in his written statement.

OK, he went to the back of the houses to find a house number? When did they strart mounting house numbers on the back of houses? That and he walked past the front of houses with the lights on and the house numbers were clearly visible without going behind the houses.

There are only three streets in the development (Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees Lane, and Long Oak Way). Zimmerman lived there for over two years, was the Neighborhood Watch Captain, and had made dozens of calls to the police. Twin Trees Lane is the road entrance to both the north and south entrances, after entering on Twin Trees Lane you then turn onto Retreat View Circle. He didn't know the name of the street he turned on to / off of every time he entered or left the development? Hard to believe.



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he was already behind the houses----he was heading to the front to look for a number. Where the light was---you think that's odd ?

Agree and he had a right to go wherever he wanted as did Martin...he wasnt breaking any laws. The dispatcher kept him engaged and he had agreed to meet the cops at the mailboxes, which it appears he was heading back to when the confrontation happened. I dont get it...he can walk where he wants to.

Check the dispatcher call again. After agreeing to meet the cops at the mailboxes, Zimmerman canceled that and instead asked the dispatcher to have the cops call him so they could meet once they were on site.


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[dilloduck]

he was already behind the houses----he was heading to the front to look for a number. Where the light was---you think that's odd ?

Agree and he had a right to go wherever he wanted as did Martin...he wasnt breaking any laws. The dispatcher kept him engaged and he had agreed to meet the cops at the mailboxes, which it appears he was heading back to when the confrontation happened. I dont get it...he can walk where he wants to.

Check the dispatcher call again. After agreeing to meet the cops at the mailboxes, Zimmerman canceled that and instead asked the dispatcher to have the cops call him so they could meet once they were on site.


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listen to the WHOLE thing and put it into context---you love to cherry pick the info but that ISN'T the whole truth. What was said next ?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Listen to the re enactment thing again. Z claims that Martin even spoke after he was shot and humans CAN speak after being shot in the heart

A dying gasp does not move you down the sidewalk, especially with Zimmerman sitting on you. Remember Zimmerman said that after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Don't you believe Zimmerman?


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omg---are you seriously trying to put me on trial ?

No I'm trying to determine you consistency. Either you believe Zimmerman was completely truthful or you believe that Zimmerman may have not told the whole truth during his statements.

ask a real expert how far a man can move after being shot if you don't believe me-----you're grasping at straws on this body position shit.

The real question to ask the expert isnot can someone move after being shot.

The question is how far is someone likely to move after being shot through the heart with someone on top of you - which is the situation Zimmerman described.


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[Jackson]

I've previously supplied a link to the audio where he said he was looking for a street sign, he also said he was looking for a street sign in his written statement.

OK, he went to the back of the houses to find a house number? When did they strart mounting house numbers on the back of houses? That and he walked past the front of houses with the lights on and the house numbers were clearly visible without going behind the houses.

There are only three streets in the development (Retreat View Circle, Twin Trees Lane, and Long Oak Way). Zimmerman lived there for over two years, was the Neighborhood Watch Captain, and had made dozens of calls to the police. Twin Trees Lane is the road entrance to both the north and south entrances, after entering on Twin Trees Lane you then turn onto Retreat View Circle. He didn't know the name of the street he turned on to / off of every time he entered or left the development? Hard to believe.



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he was already behind the houses----he was heading to the front to look for a number. Where the light was---you think that's odd ?

Agree and he had a right to go wherever he wanted as did Martin...he wasnt breaking any laws. The dispatcher kept him engaged and he had agreed to meet the cops at the mailboxes, which it appears he was heading back to when the confrontation happened. I dont get it...he can walk where he wants to.

There's my initial problem. Martin had a right to go wherever he wanted...without being followed. If Z hadn't followed him, there wouldn't had been a death. It wasn't as though Martin was prowling around. He was walking eating skittles and drinking tea. I have to get past that.

Did Zimmerman say something derogatory about "he was tired of kids getting away with things?" I don't really know the evidence and would not want to be on the jury. I wouldn't want to be responsible for someone's life in jail. I would be on a jury. But wouldn't like it.

 

[dilloduck]

A dying gasp does not move you down the sidewalk, especially with Zimmerman sitting on you. Remember Zimmerman said that after the shot he got on top of the body and spread the hands out.

Don't you believe Zimmerman?


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omg---are you seriously trying to put me on trial ?

No I'm trying to determine you consistency. Either you believe Zimmerman was completely truthful or you believe that Zimmerman may have not told the whole truth during his statements.

ask a real expert how far a man can move after being shot if you don't believe me-----you're grasping at straws on this body position shit.

The real question to ask the expert isnot can someone move after being shot.

The question is how far is someone likely to move after being shot through the heart with someone on top of you - which is the situation Zimmerman described.


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Can someone get the facts wrong when retelling a story and not be lying ?

 

[WorldWatcher]

Agree and he had a right to go wherever he wanted as did Martin...he wasnt breaking any laws. The dispatcher kept him engaged and he had agreed to meet the cops at the mailboxes, which it appears he was heading back to when the confrontation happened. I dont get it...he can walk where he wants to.

Check the dispatcher call again. After agreeing to meet the cops at the mailboxes, Zimmerman canceled that and instead asked the dispatcher to have the cops call him so they could meet once they were on site.


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listen to the WHOLE thing and put it into context---you love to cherry pick the info but that ISN'T the whole truth. What was said next ?

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...******* [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
Zimmerman: [redacted by
Mother Jones
]
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t
know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes
then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [Phone Number redacted]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the
area.
Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You’re welcome.
<<END OF CALL>>



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[Jackson]

omg---are you seriously trying to put me on trial ?

No I'm trying to determine you consistency. Either you believe Zimmerman was completely truthful or you believe that Zimmerman may have not told the whole truth during his statements.

ask a real expert how far a man can move after being shot if you don't believe me-----you're grasping at straws on this body position shit.

The real question to ask the expert isnot can someone move after being shot.

The question is how far is someone likely to move after being shot through the heart with someone on top of you - which is the situation Zimmerman described.


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Can someone get the facts wrong when retelling a story and not be lying ?

Absolutely. The emotions are going like crazy and you think that things happened a certain way but it could be wrong or your perception could be altered due to pain or excitement.

 

[dilloduck]

Check the dispatcher call again. After agreeing to meet the cops at the mailboxes, Zimmerman canceled that and instead asked the dispatcher to have the cops call him so they could meet once they were on site.


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listen to the WHOLE thing and put it into context---you love to cherry pick the info but that ISN'T the whole truth. What was said next ?

Zimmerman: Somethings wrong with him. Yup, he's coming to check me out, he's got
something in his hands, I don't know what his deal is.
Dispatcher: Just let me know if he does anything ok
Zimmerman: How long until you get an officer over here?
Dispatcher: Yeah we've got someone on the way, just let me know if this guy does
anything else.
Zimmerman: Okay. These assholes they always get away. When you come to the
clubhouse you come straight in and make a left. Actually you would go past the
clubhouse.
Dispatcher: So it's on the lefthand side from the clubhouse?
Zimmerman: No you go in straight through the entrance and then you make a left...uh
you go straight in, don't turn, and make a left. Shit he's running.
Dispatcher: He's running? Which way is he running?
Zimmerman: Down towards the other entrance to the neighborhood.
Dispatcher: Which entrance is that that he's heading towards?
Zimmerman: The back entrance...******* [unintelligible]
Dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
Dispatcher: Ok, we don't need you to do that.
Zimmerman: Ok
Dispatcher: Alright sir what is your name?
Zimmerman: George...He ran.
Dispatcher: Alright George what's your last name?
Zimmerman: Zimmerman
Dispatcher: And George what's the phone number you're calling from?
Zimmerman: [redacted by
Mother Jones
]
Dispatcher: Alright George we do have them on the way, do you want to meet with the
officer when they get out there?
Zimmerman: Alright, where you going to meet with them at?
Zimmerman: If they come in through the gate, tell them to go straight past the
club house, and uh, straight past the club house and make a left, and then they
go past the mailboxes, that’s my truck...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What address are you parked in front of?
Zimmerman: I don’t know, it’s a cut through so I don’t know the address.
Dispatcher: Okay do you live in the area?
Zimmerman: Yeah, I...[unintelligible]
Dispatcher: What’s your apartment number?
Zimmerman: It’s a home it’s 1950, oh crap I don’t want to give it all out, I don’t
know where this kid is.
Dispatcher: Okay do you want to just meet with them right near the mailboxes
then?
Zimmerman: Yeah that’s fine.
Dispatcher: Alright George, I’ll let them know to meet you around there okay?
Zimmerman: Actually could you have them call me and I’ll tell them where I’m at?
Dispatcher: Okay, yeah that’s no problem.
Zimmerman: Should I give you my number or you got it?
Dispatcher: Yeah I got it [Phone Number redacted]
Zimmerman: Yeah you got it.
Dispatcher: Okay no problem, I’ll let them know to call you when you’re in the
area.
Zimmerman: Thanks.
Dispatcher: You’re welcome.
<<END OF CALL>>



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and the re enactment tape fills in the blanks left by the 9-1-1 call.

 

[dilloduck]

No I'm trying to determine you consistency. Either you believe Zimmerman was completely truthful or you believe that Zimmerman may have not told the whole truth during his statements.




The real question to ask the expert isnot can someone move after being shot.

The question is how far is someone likely to move after being shot through the heart with someone on top of you - which is the situation Zimmerman described.


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Can someone get the facts wrong when retelling a story and not be lying ?

Absolutely. The emotions are going like crazy and you think that things happened a certain way but it could be wrong or your perception could be altered due to pain or excitement.

Hopefully the jury understands that. He wasn't that far off anyway.