The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth

[P F Tinmore]

Israel did not comply with anything 181
(RESPONSE) During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

Which leads me back to the questions I have asked a couple times already that you always duck.

 

[P F Tinmore]

BTW, independent from what?BTW, independent from what?
(RESPONSE) Just as all the other surrounding states. The Right of Sovereignty and Independence (from what is an invalid question).

Well then who did they fight in their "war of independence?"

 

[JoelT1]

How do you "imprison" someone who surrounds you? Sorry but your analogy falls flat on it's face with even a cursory examination!

Who is surrounding whom?

Indeed, if you look at a map, you will discover that Israel is surrounded politically, geographically and ideologically by Islamist nations.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

And none of them are stealing Israeli land.

But not for the lack of trying.
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Nobody tried to steal Israeli land.

Um, Arabs & Muslims are not indigenous to Israel. They invaded from Arabia. Now you know

 

[flacaltenn]

You sound Jewish American

Yeah, except it's American Libertarian Jewish. And that's the sound of someone who wants brighter days for the Palestinians. Not just a couch warrior who sees war and strife as the ONLY path.. Don't hate them. Wasn't raised to hate them. Want them to keep their kids alive and well taken care of. Wants them to choose to LEAD their OWN cause. Not be spurned on to Intifada and senseless, unproductive perpetual losses by ANY foreigners with no stake in the game.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians have little experience with the Western nations (generally but not entirely the Allied Powers) long history of sovereignty and statehood ⇒ and are thus not prepared to adhere to the Western insistence on the inviolability of existing borders.

Like Palestine's international borders and their right to territorial integrity?

 

[JoelT1]

Palestinians have little experience with the Western nations (generally but not entirely the Allied Powers) long history of sovereignty and statehood ⇒ and are thus not prepared to adhere to the Western insistence on the inviolability of existing borders.

Like Palestine's international borders and their right to territorial integrity?

Palestine: Fake Roman name for ancient Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

 

[JoelT1]

You sound Jewish American

Yeah, except it's American Libertarian Jewish. And that's the sound of someone who wants brighter days for the Palestinians. Not just a couch warrior who sees war and strife as the ONLY path.. Don't hate them. Wasn't raised to hate them. Want them to keep their kids alive and well taken care of. Wants them to choose to LEAD their OWN cause. Not be spurned on to Intifada and senseless, unproductive perpetual losses by ANY foreigners with no stake in the game.

First, no such thing as palestinians It’s a made-up word coined by the British for Jews in the British Mandate

Second, they’re Arabs. And their fellow Arabs hate them and want them gone Abd Al-Bari Atwan: The Arab Leaders Are Praying That Israel Will Get Rid of the Palestinians Once and for All

 

[JoelT1]

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

Jews were originally called palestinians, by the British. It’s a made-up word

Arabs laugh: “When were there palestinians?”

 

[JoelT1]

Arab-American journalist Joseph Farah: Myths of palestine and palestinians Myths of the Middle East

 

[JoelT1]

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

Palestine originated as a Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Philistines who were Greek

Palestinians are a modern invention. They’re simply Arabs among 22 Arab countries. They’ve never had a country

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, there a BIG prerequisite here... A very BIG prerequisite!!!

Palestinians have little experience with the Western nations (generally but not entirely the Allied Powers) long history of sovereignty and statehood ⇒ and are thus not prepared to adhere to the Western insistence on the inviolability of existing borders.

Like Palestine's international borders and their right to territorial integrity?

(COMMENT)

The "right to territorial integrity" presupposes that the Arab Palestinians actually have some sovereign territory to which it can apply integrity.

The notion that the --- existence of a Palestinian State --- must have territorial integrity is based on the presumption that the Palestinian State actually has territory over which it has supreme authority and has the military-political, diplomatic or economic power it maintains it its authority, or allies or alliances as proxy defenders, that assure its existence and prevent interference from other states.

The "right to territorial integrity" does the Arab Palestinians if they have no territory to apply integrity to..

With the Possible Exception of Area "A" --- I find it hard to identify any territory that meets that criteria. At some point in time (now, a year, a decade, a century --- from now) the Arab Palestinians must actually demonstrate that they actually have:

(1) that States are juridically equal;
(2) that each State enjoys the right inherent in full sovereignty;
(3) that the boundaries of the State is respected by other and control by them;
(4) that the State should, under international order, comply faithfully with its international duties and obligations.​

Just My Thought,
Most Respectfully,
R

 

[JoelT1]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, there a BIG prerequisite here... A very BIG prerequisite!!!

Palestinians have little experience with the Western nations (generally but not entirely the Allied Powers) long history of sovereignty and statehood ⇒ and are thus not prepared to adhere to the Western insistence on the inviolability of existing borders.

Like Palestine's international borders and their right to territorial integrity?

(COMMENT)

The "right to territorial integrity" presupposes that the Arab Palestinians actually have some sovereign territory to which it can apply integrity.

The notion that the --- existence of a Palestinian State --- must have territorial integrity is based on the presumption that the Palestinian State actually has territory over which it has supreme authority and has the military-political, diplomatic or economic power it maintains it its authority, or allies or alliances as proxy defenders, that assure its existence and prevent interference from other states.

The "right to territorial integrity" does the Arab Palestinians if they have no territory to apply integrity to..

With the Possible Exception of Area "A" --- I find it hard to identify any territory that meets that criteria. At some point in time (now, a year, a decade, a century --- from now) the Arab Palestinians must actually demonstrate that they actually have:

(1) that States are juridically equal;
(2) that each State enjoys the right inherent in full sovereignty;
(3) that the boundaries of the State is respected by other and control by them;
(4) that the State should, under international order, comply faithfully with its international duties and obligations.​

Just My Thought,
Most Respectfully,
R

Jordanian Arabs on the West Bank, historically named Judea and Samaria, began identifying as palestinians in the 1960s Their flag is the flag of Jordan. Jordan is their country as well as other Arab countries of origin. Arafat was Egyptian.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

In an ideal world where (a near Utopian society) everyone would get their say, and have their wants and needs addressed. But the Arab Palestinians have not reached the same stage of human development as the Israelis have.

WHEN the vast majority of the Arab Palestinians (creators of the Palestinian Black Hand, The Holy War Army, and the Arab Liberation Army → as well as the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, etc, etc) believe that there is justification for kidnapping and murder, discriminant fire on civilian men, women and children, --- where suicide bombers, pirates and and hijackers are the heroes of the day, THEN --- you can only imagine how accommodating and civilized that Palestinians were a century ago.

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers "might" (stressed "might") have been able to better implement (or "maybe not") the principle decisions made in San Remo with regard to the Balfour Declaration over a century ago. But in any case, from the 1918 Surrender to the Allied Powers - until now, not one single treaty of peace has been established where the Arab Palestinians were a party to the agreement.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

In an ideal world where (a near Utopian society) everyone would get their say, and have their wants and needs addressed. But the Arab Palestinians have not reached the same stage of human development as the Israelis have.

Do you mean like not being able to mooch guns and money as good as Israel?

 

[JoelT1]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

In an ideal world where (a near Utopian society) everyone would get their say, and have their wants and needs addressed. But the Arab Palestinians have not reached the same stage of human development as the Israelis have.

WHEN the vast majority of the Arab Palestinians (creators of the Palestinian Black Hand, The Holy War Army, and the Arab Liberation Army → as well as the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Abu Nidal, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, etc, etc) believe that there is justification for kidnapping and murder, discriminant fire on civilian men, women and children, --- where suicide bombers, pirates and and hijackers are the heroes of the day, THEN --- you can only imagine how accommodating and civilized that Palestinians were a century ago.

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

(COMMENT)

The Allied Powers "might" (stressed "might") have been able to better implement (or "maybe not") the principle decisions made in San Remo with regard to the Balfour Declaration over a century ago. But in any case, from the 1918 Surrender to the Allied Powers - until now, not one single treaty of peace has been established where the Arab Palestinians were a party to the agreement.

Most Respectfully,
R

In an ideal world where (a near Utopian society) everyone would get their say, and have their wants and needs addressed. But the Arab Palestinians have not reached the same stage of human development as the Israelis have.

Do you mean like not being able to mooch guns and money as good as Israel?

US technology industry, and, thus, the US economy, depend on Israel.

 

[P F Tinmore]

But in any case, from the 1918 Surrender to the Allied Powers - until now, not one single treaty of peace has been established where the Arab Palestinians were a party to the agreement.

Like I say, Palestine is the poster child of illegal external interference.

 

[JoelT1]

History Lesson: Palestine, fake Roman name imposed on Jews and ancient Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

Lake Success, Feb. 6 – The Arab Higher Committee of Palestine sent to the United Nations a formal declaration of war in “self-defense” against any attempt to partition the Holy Land.

It is the right of the Palestinians to decide whether or not to divide their country. They decided not to like every other people in the world would do.

Palestine originated as a Roman name for ancient Israel, referring to Philistines who were Greek

Palestinians are a modern invention. They’re simply Arabs among 22 Arab countries. They’ve never had a country

Yeah, yeah, I have heard those tired old Israeli talking points a gazillion times already.

What else you got?

 

[rylah]

RE: The Occupied Territories Are the Biggest Prison on Earth
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

That is a fair question!

Article 1, Treaty between Great Britain and Jordan 1946
His Majesty The King recognises Trans-Jordan as a fully independent State and His Highness The Amir as the sovereign thereof.

Where is Britain's treaty with Israel?

(COMMENT)

Jordan was released by the Mandatory (Great Britain/UK) while the Mandate was still in effect.

Israel "Declared Independence" after the British Mandate was terminated and under the guidance of the UN Palestine Commission:

• After having complete (to the extend possible) the "Steps Preparatory to Independence," as recommended by Resolution 181 (II); and under the power of self-determination.
• Royalty recognizes Royalty. In the case of Jordan, there was the matter of royalty. In the case of Israel, there was not.​

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain released its Mandate to the UN.

Israel did not comply with anything 181.

BTW, independent from what?

But in any case, from the 1918 Surrender to the Allied Powers - until now, not one single treaty of peace has been established where the Arab Palestinians were a party to the agreement.

Like I say, Palestine is the poster child of illegal external interference.

Sure the idea of "Arab independence" in Palestine was initiated in Mecca, Saudi Arabia by
Hussein bin Ali, Sharif of Mecca. And later his son King Faisal of Iraq.

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"External interference" doesn't have any significance when Palestinian Arabs are divided between different Arabian tribes and identify with it openly. Like the case of the Tamimi tribe (the ruling Qatari tribe) in Hebron.