The NEWEST Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

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Let's break it down.

Can someone explain why everyone supposedly recognises int. law and the occupied's right to resist the occupier by any means necessary

There is no such right in international law that a government, a militia, a civilian organization, or terrorist group has a right to "resist occupation by any means necessary". There are numerous restraints. Not the least of which is prohibition on committing crimes against humanity and war crimes. There are others.

There is no validity to the claim that Gaza was occupied between 1967 and 2024 and really, really, really no validity between 2005 and 2024.

BUT Gaza must demilitarise before imperial powers recognise a state?

Recognition of a state follows the establishment of a state. You can't recognize what doesn't exist.

Recognition of a state demands that the government of the new state agree to be bound by the principles of peace and security; equal rights and self-determination; fundamental freedoms without distinction of race, religion, sex, language; and sovereign equality. This is a demonstrable requirement which must be met prior to recognition.

Recognition of a state requires the establishment of mutually agreed territorial boundaries (in absence of pre-existing legal boundaries) by the relevant parties.

Demilitarization is typically part of surrender or peace agreements between states, predicated on preserving sovereignty and often some measure of territorial integrity. In this case, due to Gaza's previous government's inability to agree to be bound by the principles noted above, and that government's unlawful belligerent actions against a sovereign State, that government has effectively renounced statehood or the capacity for statehood. Once a new government proves intent to abide by the principles demanded of states, we can move forward.

Why not demand the demilitarisation of the state committing genocide?

Israel is not committing a genocide. So there is that. What you really mean is How does the international community stop a war? Great question. The answer, mostly, is that it can't.

There is no actual global government which has the right to demand anything. Rather, we have a number of "gentleperson's" agreements to which states can agree to be bound, or not, and can largely opt-in or opt-out as desired.

Enforcement is maybe? possible, but not practical and most states aren't willing to pay the unilateral cost of enforcement.

States have the right to sovereignty, territorial integrity, self-defense, equality and non-interference.

The international community as a whole, or individual states, certainly can demand demilitarization or limited demilitarization with mutual agreements, sanctions, and yes, even military action (hey, Iran). Compliance is not guaranteed.

 

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The Massacres Against Jews in Palestine’s Civil War, November 1947 to March 1948

 

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MYTH

The Zionists were colonialist tools of Western imperialism.

FACT

“Colonialism means living by exploiting others,” Yehoshafat Harkabi has written. “But what could be further from colonialism than the ide- alism of city-dwelling Jews who strive to become farmers and laborers and to live by their own work?”26

Moreover, as British historian Paul Johnson noted, Zionists were hardly tools of imperialists given the powers’ general opposition to their cause. “Everywhere in the West, the foreign offices, defense min- istries and big business were against the Zionists.”27

Emir Faisal saw the Zionist movement as a companion to the Arab nationalist movement, fighting against imperialism, as he explained in a letter to Harvard law professor and future Supreme Court Justice Felix Frankfurter on March 3, 1919, one day after Chaim Weizmannpresented the Zionist case to the Paris conference. Faisal wrote:

The Arabs, especially the educated among us, look with deep- est sympathy on the Zionist movement . . . We will wish the Jews a hearty welcome home . . . We are working together for a reformed and revised Near East and our two movements complete one another. The Jewish movement is nationalist and not imperialist. And there is room in Syria for us both. Indeed, I think that neither can be a real success without the other (emphasis added).28

In the 1940s, the Jewish underground movements waged an an- ticolonial war against the British. The Arabs, meanwhile, were con- cerned primarily with fighting the Jews rather than expelling the British imperialists.


https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/images/mf2017.pdf#page=9

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Yeshiva Shavei Hebron students claim historic Hebron house | The Jerusalem Post

A press release from the yeshiva claimed that this was the first time Jews had entered the old city since 1929.

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