The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate

[Sixties Fan]

The Palestine Bulletin, the precursor to the Palestine Post/Jerusalem Post, used to have a column where they would translate Arab articles.

After the British White Paper of 1930, Jews demonstrated and rallied against the reduction of immigration that would be allowed. In this context, Arab newspapers responded with direct incitement against Jews. (They weren’t woke enough in those days to say “Zionists.”)

Felesteen, published on June 5, 1930:



(full article online)

Some Arab incitement from 90 years ago

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[rylah]

Rabbi Yehuda Alkalai - Zionist visionary who predated Herzl

 

[rylah]

Mazal Mosseri a Zionist Publisher in Cairo Egypt

Snipet: among many things, she was sued for libel by Hitler and Mussoulini.

A very interesting woman, and a story usually untold.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Salma Karmi-Ayyoub Highlights: From Balfour to Boris Johnson Event

 

[MartyNYC]

About 1,800 years before Balfour was Israel.

 

[Sixties Fan]

(June 10, 2020 / JNS) The legal right of the Jewish people to reconstitute their historic homeland was recognized at the San Remo Conference of 1920 and by virtue of the Mandate for Palestine that resulted from it. This was unanimously endorsed by all 51 nations that were in the League of Nations, which then constituted the entire international community.

International lawyer Cynthia D. Wallace writes: “The Mandate system had been set up under Article 22 of the Covenant of the newly formed League of Nations that had arisen out of the Paris peace process to deal with such post-war emerging territories. At San Remo, the Mandate for Palestine was entrusted to Great Britain as a ‘sacred trust of civilization,’ and the language of the Balfour Declaration was enshrined in both the San Remo Resolution and the League Mandate, which stand on their own as valid international legal instruments with the full force of treaty law.”

Wallace is by no means the only international lawyer who recognizes that the right of the Jewish people to reconstitute their national home in their historic homeland was enshrined in international law at San Remo. At the heart of the historic Jewish homeland was the Old City of Jerusalem and the territory today known as “the West Bank.”

Territorially the legal right of the Arabs to self-determination was accorded to them by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon (under the French), and Mesopotamia—now Iraq—(under the British), and later in Transjordan, which was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine.

(full article online)

A British mandate to recognize Israeli sovereignty - JNS.org

The British government should be supporting the Trump peace process, rather than punishing Israel for exercising a right that was granted to it under international law 100 years ago.

www.jns.org

 

[RoccoR]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

• the right of the Jewish people​

• to reconstitute their national home​

• in their historic homeland​

Territorially the legal right of the Arabs to self-determination was accorded to them by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon (under the French), and Mesopotamia—now Iraq—(under the British), and later in Transjordan, which was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine.

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I know that there must be some Arab Palestinians that wonder - what would have happened --- and --- where would the be today - if they had accepted the British invitation to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions. And where would they be today, in terms of sovereign territory, if the had accepted the recommendations of A/RES/181(II). They might have actually wound-up with much much more than what the have now, in terms of total sovereignty and full civil and security control with a totally different regime than that of Palestinian Authority. There may have never emerged with all the various squabbling factions they have today (an alternative history 'if')... How much better-of would they be? The crazy Egyptian may never have formed the Al-Fatah.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MartyNYC]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

• the right of the Jewish people​

• to reconstitute their national home​

• in their historic homeland​

Territorially the legal right of the Arabs to self-determination was accorded to them by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon (under the French), and Mesopotamia—now Iraq—(under the British), and later in Transjordan, which was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine.

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(COMMENT)

I know that there must be some Arab Palestinians that wonder - what would have happened --- and --- where would the be today - if they had accepted the British invitation to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions. And where would they be today, in terms of sovereign territory, if the had accepted the recommendations of A/RES/181(II). They might have actually wound-up with much much more than what the have now, in terms of total sovereignty and full civil and security control with a totally different regime than that of Palestinian Authority. There may have never emerged with all the various squabbling factions they have today (an alternative history 'if')... How much better-of would they be? The crazy Egyptian may never have formed the Al-Fatah.

Most Respectfully,
R

Gaza is an example of a “Palestinian“ state: First thing they did when Israel withdrew was to destroy the greenhouses. Then, they elected Hamas, a terrorist group that has imposed totalitarian rule. Gaza has been infiltrated by ISIS and other terrorist groups. Another failed Islamic entity.

 

[rylah]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

• the right of the Jewish people​

• to reconstitute their national home​

• in their historic homeland​

Territorially the legal right of the Arabs to self-determination was accorded to them by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon (under the French), and Mesopotamia—now Iraq—(under the British), and later in Transjordan, which was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine.

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(COMMENT)

I know that there must be some Arab Palestinians that wonder - what would have happened --- and --- where would the be today - if they had accepted the British invitation to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions. And where would they be today, in terms of sovereign territory, if the had accepted the recommendations of A/RES/181(II). They might have actually wound-up with much much more than what the have now, in terms of total sovereignty and full civil and security control with a totally different regime than that of Palestinian Authority. There may have never emerged with all the various squabbling factions they have today (an alternative history 'if')... How much better-of would they be? The crazy Egyptian may never have formed the Al-Fatah.

Most Respectfully,
R

Gaza is an example of a “Palestinian“ state: First thing they did when Israel withdrew was to destroy the greenhouses. Then, they elected Hamas, a terrorist group that has imposed totalitarian rule. Gaza has been infiltrated by ISIS and other terrorist groups. Another failed Islamic entity.

Actually Chaz is kinda an example of a "Palestinian state"...

Same tactics, same corruption, same fanatical zeal.

Same hate for anything America.

 

[MartyNYC]

RE: The NEWER Official Discussion Thread for the creation of Israel, the UN and the British Mandate
⁜→ Sixties Fan, et al,

• the right of the Jewish people​

• to reconstitute their national home​

• in their historic homeland​

Territorially the legal right of the Arabs to self-determination was accorded to them by the Mandates for Syria and Lebanon (under the French), and Mesopotamia—now Iraq—(under the British), and later in Transjordan, which was originally part of the Mandate for Palestine.

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(COMMENT)

I know that there must be some Arab Palestinians that wonder - what would have happened --- and --- where would the be today - if they had accepted the British invitation to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions. And where would they be today, in terms of sovereign territory, if the had accepted the recommendations of A/RES/181(II). They might have actually wound-up with much much more than what the have now, in terms of total sovereignty and full civil and security control with a totally different regime than that of Palestinian Authority. There may have never emerged with all the various squabbling factions they have today (an alternative history 'if')... How much better-of would they be? The crazy Egyptian may never have formed the Al-Fatah.

Most Respectfully,
R

Gaza is an example of a “Palestinian“ state: First thing they did when Israel withdrew was to destroy the greenhouses. Then, they elected Hamas, a terrorist group that has imposed totalitarian rule. Gaza has been infiltrated by ISIS and other terrorist groups. Another failed Islamic entity.

Actually Chaz is kinda an example of a "Palestinian state"...

Same tactics, same corruption, same fanatical zeal.

Same hate for anything America.

Chaza.

 

[P F Tinmore]

From April 1st to May 14, 1948 – before Israel was declared, before the British left, and before any Arab soldier entered Palestine to save it – Zionist militias essentially conquered Palestine.

 

[rylah]

From April 1st to May 14, 1948 – before Israel was declared, before the British left, and before any Arab soldier entered Palestine to save it – Zionist militias essentially conquered Palestine.

Check your dates, because by April 1st,
Arabs military units from various countries have been active already for decades .


In 1936, al-Qawuqji began fighting the British and the Jewish population in Mandatory Palestine in actions that would become known as the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. He represented the Iraqi Society for the Defense of Palestine, which was separate from forces under the control of Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin Husseini.[8] Al-Qawuqji resigned his commission in the Iraqi army and his position at the Royal Military College to lead approximately fifty armed guerrillas into Mandatory Palestine.[9]

On January 8, 1948, the borders of British-held Palestine were breached by a battalion of the ALA - "the Second Yarmuk Battalion" which was 330-soldiers strong and was commanded by Adib Shishakli. Entering from Syria, the battalion set its headquarters near Tarshiha in the Galilee. On January 20, 1948, this battalion attacked Kibbutz Yehiam and failed.

Arab Liberation Army - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[MartyNYC]

From April 1st to May 14, 1948 – before Israel was declared, before the British left, and before any Arab soldier entered Palestine to save it – Zionist militias essentially conquered Palestine.

Maybe, read a history book? Palestine was Britain’s fictional name for the British Mandate, created to establish Israeli statehood. Earlier, it was a fictional Roman name imposed on ancient Israel.

There never has been a place palestine founded by Arabs, “palestinians“ (Arabs), Muslims, or any Middle Eastern people.

 

[Sixties Fan]

According to the profound reckoning of the erudite New York Review of Books, the southern Israeli city of Beersheba is Palestinian territory. By the editors’ logic, the same goes for the central Israeli cities of Ramle, Lod, Modiin (home of this Israeli researcher and over more than 90,000 other Israelis), as well as Ben-Gurion International Airport. The ruling by Review of Books editors from their lofty perch in Manhattan also places Nahariya, Acco, Nazareth in Palestinian territory.

The intellectual giants at the elite literary journal have made clear that, for them, it is the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan – categorically rejected by Palestinian Arabs and surrounding Arab states at the time – which is the basis for now determining what is Palestinian territory.


The U.N.’s 1947 Partition Plan

Thus, while The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Voice of America, Deutsche Presse-Agentur have all commendably corrected erroneous assertions that the disputed West Bank, and in particular areas in which Israeli settlements are located, are Palestinian territory, The Review of Book outliers have preferred to redraw the map entirely. When challenged about the designation of disputed West Bank land as “Palestinian,” NYRB editors cited the United Nations Partition Plan – a proposal roundly rejected by the Palestinian Arab leadership over seven decades ago – insisting that the West Bank is Palestinian territory. The natural conclusion about other areas also designated as part of the Arab state under the plan that the Arabs never accepted – Beersheba, Ramla, Lod, Modiin, Bet Shemesh, Acco, Nahariya, the airport, and more – is that they, too, are Palestinian territory. (On the other hand, under the 1947 Partition Plan, Palestinians have no right to Jerusalem, as it was intended to be an international corpus separatum, under United Nations administration.)

(full article online)

NYRB Looks To 1947 Partition Plan to Determine Palestinian Territories

According to the reckoning of the erudite New York Review of Books, the southern Israeli city of Beersheba is Palestinian territory. Displaying the same

www.camera.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

According to the profound reckoning of the erudite New York Review of Books, the southern Israeli city of Beersheba is Palestinian territory. By the editors’ logic, the same goes for the central Israeli cities of Ramle, Lod, Modiin (home of this Israeli researcher and over more than 90,000 other Israelis), as well as Ben-Gurion International Airport. The ruling by Review of Books editors from their lofty perch in Manhattan also places Nahariya, Acco, Nazareth in Palestinian territory.

The intellectual giants at the elite literary journal have made clear that, for them, it is the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan – categorically rejected by Palestinian Arabs and surrounding Arab states at the time – which is the basis for now determining what is Palestinian territory.


The U.N.’s 1947 Partition Plan

Thus, while The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Voice of America, Deutsche Presse-Agentur have all commendably corrected erroneous assertions that the disputed West Bank, and in particular areas in which Israeli settlements are located, are Palestinian territory, The Review of Book outliers have preferred to redraw the map entirely. When challenged about the designation of disputed West Bank land as “Palestinian,” NYRB editors cited the United Nations Partition Plan – a proposal roundly rejected by the Palestinian Arab leadership over seven decades ago – insisting that the West Bank is Palestinian territory. The natural conclusion about other areas also designated as part of the Arab state under the plan that the Arabs never accepted – Beersheba, Ramla, Lod, Modiin, Bet Shemesh, Acco, Nahariya, the airport, and more – is that they, too, are Palestinian territory. (On the other hand, under the 1947 Partition Plan, Palestinians have no right to Jerusalem, as it was intended to be an international corpus separatum, under United Nations administration.)

(full article online)

NYRB Looks To 1947 Partition Plan to Determine Palestinian Territories

According to the reckoning of the erudite New York Review of Books, the southern Israeli city of Beersheba is Palestinian territory. Displaying the same

www.camera.org

Israel captured the West Bank in 1967 from the Kingdom of Jordan, which had occupied the territory since its 1948-49 war with Israel.​

The person who wrote this is very confused.

 

[MartyNYC]

Israel captured the West Bank in 1967 from the Kingdom of Jordan, which had occupied the territory since its 1948-49 war with Israel.​

The person who wrote this is very confused.

You’re not very good at this. Jordan seized what was internationally known as Judea and Samaria, ancient Jewish land, in the ‘48 War, calling the land west bank (of the Jordan River). It’s noteworthy Jordan never called the land palestine nor did it create a palestinian state.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You’re not very good at this. Jordan seized what was internationally known as Judea and Samaria, ancient Jewish land, in the ‘48 War, calling the land west bank (of the Jordan River). It’s noteworthy Jordan never called the land palestine nor did it create a palestinian state.

OK, but you missed the point.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

OK, but you missed the point.

That Arabs lost, again, and want a do over?

 

[P F Tinmore]

 

[P F Tinmore]

OK, but you missed the point.

That Arabs lost, again, and want a do over?

What war did the Palestinians lose?
When was the surrender?
What was in the peace treaty?