The Nanking Massacre and Iris Chang's Book The Rape of Nanking

[JoeB131]

Why do statist like it when the state mass murders innocent people?

Wouldn't know.. this discussion was about how the Japanese State murdered millions of Chinese people, which you guys are arguing was okay, because the Japanese were benevolent. Or something.

 

[Unkotare]

“Detained,” not thrown into concentration camps. And out of how many German and Italian Americans, you disingenuous douche?

You’re no American.

The Germans and Italians didn't bomb Pearl Harbor or kill thousands of Americans in Bataan.

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Neither did the AMERICANS fdr threw into his concentration camps.

 

[Unkotare]

There was nothing else to do with it, you racist piece of fucking shit.

Oh, you mean THIS had nothing to do with it?

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Don't be stupid.

Not ONE person in fdr’s concentration camps had anything to do with that, stupid.

 

[JoeB131]

Neither did the AMERICANS fdr threw into his concentration camps.

No, but their relatives did, and they had no assurances they wouldn't collaborate if there was an invasion.

So we relocated a suspect population from a war zone and let them return after the danger had passed.

Um... just not seeing how this was that bad compared to what everyone else did in that war.

 

[Unkotare]

Neither did the AMERICANS fdr threw into his concentration camps.

No, but their relatives did, and they had no assurances they wouldn't collaborate if there was an invasion.

So we relocated a suspect population from a war zone and let them return after the danger had passed.

Um... just not seeing how this was that bad compared to what everyone else did in that war.

You’ve got nothing but illogical, unamerican, racist bullshit to try and defend the indefensible.

 

[JoeB131]

You’ve got nothing but illogical, unamerican, racist bullshit to try and defend the indefensible.

Um, I gave you very good reasons... you just don't want to hear them..

Sometimes, you have to make hard decisions and feel bad about them later.

Some day, you'll grow up and learn this.

 

[Unkotare]

Neither did the AMERICANS fdr threw into his concentration camps.

No, but their relatives did.....

So, if your second cousin steals a car, we should throw your ass in jail? You ok with that, dumbass?

Neither did the AMERICANS fdr threw into his concentration camps.

...they had no assurances they wouldn't collaborate if there was an invasion.
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Yes, we did.

 

[Unkotare]

You’ve got nothing but illogical, unamerican, racist bullshit to try and defend the indefensible.

Um, I gave you very good reasons...

You “gave” illogic, ignorance and racism.

 

[JoeB131]

So, if your second cousin steals a car, we should throw your ass in jail? You ok with that, dumbass?

I think it's a matter of degree, don't you? Pearl Harbor and Bataan and Nanjing were a lot worse than jacking a car.

Yes, we did.

Did they pinkie swear?

 

[Unkotare]

So, if your second cousin steals a car, we should throw your ass in jail? You ok with that, dumbass?

I think it's a matter of degree, don't you? ....

NO. It's a matter of principle, you stupid shit. Since you have no principles, it might be hard for your pea brain to grasp.

 

[Unkotare]

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Did they pinkie swear?

Ever hear of the Ringle Report, 'historian'? Why do you bother commenting on a topic you know nothing about? History is not for you. Go play in the Rubber Room.

 

[mikegriffith1]

It should be noted that some Western journalists did provide accurate reporting on who started the fighting in Shanghai that began the Sino-Japanese War in 1937. The following report New York Times correspondent Hallett Abend was published on August 31, 1937:

Foreigners Support Japan - Official foreign observers and officials of various foreign governments who participated in various conferences here in seeking to avoid the outbreak of local hostilities, agree that the Japanese exhibited the utmost restraint under provocation, even for several days keeping all of the Japanese landed force off the streets and strictly within their own barracks, although the move somewhat endangered Japanese lives and properties. 'Opinions may differ regarding the responsibility for the opening of hostilities in the vicinity of Peiping early in July,' said one foreign official who was a participant in the conferences held here before Aug. 13, 'but concerning the Shanghai hostilities the records will justify only one decision. The Japanese did not want a repetition of the fighting here and exhibited forbearance and patience and did everything possible to avoid aggravating the situation. But they were literally pushed into the clash by the Chinese, who seemed intent on involving the foreign area and foreign interests in this clash.' (http://www.sdh-fact.com/CL/Second-Sino-Japanese-War-Part-2.pdf)​

To show what a joke the League of Nations was, the Nationalists got the league to pass a resolution that condemned Japan's response to the Nationalists' attack as "disproportionate"! So the Nationalists bombed the Japanese naval facility in Shanghai, tried to wipe out a tiny Japanese garrison in Shanghai, rejected Japan's peace proposal, sent four divisions into Hopei Province, and then launched an attack on the Japanese quarter in Shanghai with two divisions, but the League of Nations decided that the Japanese response was "disproportionate." The Japanese were sick and tired of the Nationalists' provocations and attacks and decided that this time there would be no ceasefires, no deals, no nothing, until they had driven the Nationalists out of Shanghai and Nanking.

Getting back to the Lytton Commission's report, I know that some people here will not even read this, but here is a good article from a November 1932 Australian newspaper that summarizes Japan's reply to the report:

JAPANS REPLY. To Lytton Commission's Report. - FLAT REJECTION OF PROPOSALS. LONDON, Nov. 21. - The Sydney Morning Herald (NSW : 1842 - 1954) - 22 Nov 1932

And here is a Japanese businessman's evaluation of the Lytton Commission's report published in December 1932 that contains a number of valid points and observations:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/5ea4/3afe37c7c2221cce8338dea671129db5d0fc.pdf

 

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[JoeB131]

NO. It's a matter of principle, you stupid shit. Since you have no principles, it might be hard for your pea brain to grasp.

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

When you have guys with Battleships sporting 18 inch guns out there, you don't want someone who might help them standing behind you...

Just a bit of common sense.

 

[JoeB131]

Ever hear of the Ringle Report, 'historian'? Why do you bother commenting on a topic you know nothing about? History is not for you. Go play in the Rubber Room.

Sorry, buddy.... you can invoke all the nonsense you want... but they made the right call in 1942, given the level of threat.

But if you want to feel bad as you wank off to Japanese Porn, have at it.

To show what a joke the League of Nations was, the Nationalists got the league to pass a resolution that condemned Japan's response to the Nationalists' attack as "disproportionate"! So the Nationalists bombed the Japanese naval facility in Shanghai, tried to wipe out a tiny Japanese garrison in Shanghai, rejected Japan's peace proposal, sent four divisions into Hopei Province, and then launched an attack on the Japanese quarter in Shanghai with two divisions, but the League of Nations decided that the Japanese response was "disproportionate." The Japanese were sick and tired of the Nationalists' provocations and attacks and decided that this time there would be no ceasefires, no deals, no nothing, until they had driven the Nationalists out of Shanghai and Nanking.

Japan shouldn't have been in Shanghai, Nanking, Manchuria or anywhere else in CHINA. That's the whole point here.

 

[Unkotare]

NO. It's a matter of principle, you stupid shit. Since you have no principles, it might be hard for your pea brain to grasp.

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

When you have guys with Battleships sporting 18 inch guns out there, you don't want someone who might help them standing behind you...

Just a bit of common sense.

Just a red herring. That has nothing to do with fdr's crimes.

 

[Unkotare]

NO. It's a matter of principle, you stupid shit. Since you have no principles, it might be hard for your pea brain to grasp.

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

When you have guys with Battleships sporting 18 inch guns out there, you don't want someone who might help them standing behind you...

Just a bit of common sense.

None of the AMERICANS fdr threw into concentration camps ever fired a gun from a battleship at the US Navy. Another false argument from you.

 

[JoeB131]

Just a red herring. That has nothing to do with fdr's crimes.

You mean saving the world from Fascism?

Oh, no, wait. You and MikeyG think the wrong side won WWII.

None of the AMERICANS fdr threw into concentration camps ever fired a gun from a battleship at the US Navy. Another false argument from you.

You don't know what they were going to do. SHit, I will even go so far to say that pre-1941, Japanese Immigrants were treated like shit... so they probably had no particular loyalty to the US... Shame on us, I guess.

Then again, my Dad was born in Germany, and they made him a medic because they didn't entirely trust him with a gun.

 

[Unkotare]

NO. It's a matter of principle, you stupid shit. Since you have no principles, it might be hard for your pea brain to grasp.

The Constitution isn't a suicide pact.

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Completely false analogy.

 

[Unkotare]

Just a red herring. That has nothing to do with fdr's crimes.

You mean saving the world from Fascism?

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That POS fdr throwing innocent Americans into concentration camps didn’t do a damn thing to save the world from fascism, fool.