The Mind of Franklin Roosevelt

[HenryBHough]

You were on a roll right up to the "willing to work" part. Are you completely forgetting that FDR was a Democrat?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

 

[Unkotare]

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FDR rightly dumped money into our economy when nobody else would.
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The scumbag "dumped" American citizens into concentration camps.

Yes he did

No one who commits such an outrage can be considered anything but a fucking scumbag. He was the worst villain to hold the office of Chief Executive in US history.

 

[rightwinger]

You were on a roll right up to the "willing to work" part. Are you completely forgetting that FDR was a Democrat?

Americans are the hardest working and among the most productive on earth

It is Conservatives who call them lazy

 

[PoliticalChic]

I visited Hyde Park last month and what struck me the most about FDR was that he seemed to be the only one in that era who "got it"

He understood the depression was about people and not corporations
He understood the panic of the time and what he needed to do to calm it
He understood the threat of the Nazis and Japan

It was funny reading the anti-FDR rhetoric Republicans were using......exact same nonsense they use against Obama

Everything you just wrote is a lie.....the same as your usual posts.

When I visited Hyde Park, I noted the Henry Wallace Library adjacent and attached to Roosevelt's.
Ironic, huh?

Roosevelt attached to the communist Henry Wallace in life and afterwards as well.

Let's see...

Rightwingnuts scream.......commie, commie, commie

Their rhetoric didn't work then, doesn't work now

But you didn't deny that Wallace was a communist.....

...nor that Roosevelt demanded Wallace as his vice-president after Garner....or he wouldn't run.
Yes.....he actually threatened not to run.

Come on PC

To you, everyone to the left of Nixon is a communist

Why can't you stick to the facts that I've posted?

Oh...right.....because they're facts.


Go ahead...challenge any of 'em.

 

[rightwinger]

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FDR rightly dumped money into our economy when nobody else would.
.

The scumbag "dumped" American citizens into concentration camps.

Yes he did

No one who commits such an outrage can be considered anything but a fucking scumbag. He was the worst villain to hold the office of Chief Executive in US history.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback 70 years later. Every nation on earth took similar actions or worse during the war.
FDR gave in to post Pearl Harbor histeria
So did 90% of Americans who supported his actions

 

[rightwinger]

I visited Hyde Park last month and what struck me the most about FDR was that he seemed to be the only one in that era who "got it"

He understood the depression was about people and not corporations
He understood the panic of the time and what he needed to do to calm it
He understood the threat of the Nazis and Japan

It was funny reading the anti-FDR rhetoric Republicans were using......exact same nonsense they use against Obama

Everything you just wrote is a lie.....the same as your usual posts.

When I visited Hyde Park, I noted the Henry Wallace Library adjacent and attached to Roosevelt's.
Ironic, huh?

Roosevelt attached to the communist Henry Wallace in life and afterwards as well.

Let's see...

Rightwingnuts scream.......commie, commie, commie

Their rhetoric didn't work then, doesn't work now

But you didn't deny that Wallace was a communist.....

...nor that Roosevelt demanded Wallace as his vice-president after Garner....or he wouldn't run.
Yes.....he actually threatened not to run.

Come on PC

To you, everyone to the left of Nixon is a communist

Why can't you stick to the facts that I've posted?

Oh...right.....because they're facts.


Go ahead...challenge any of 'em.

You kind of lost me when you claimed they were facts. That is why I had to step in to rescue your thread

 

[HenryBHough]

Americans are the hardest working and among the most productive on earth

It is Conservatives who call them lazy

I couldn't agree more about Americans. It's those whose allegiance belongs exclusive to the welfare-gifting Democrat Party to whom I refer.

Does your experience count for nothning?

 

[Unkotare]

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FDR rightly dumped money into our economy when nobody else would.
.

The scumbag "dumped" American citizens into concentration camps.

Yes he did

No one who commits such an outrage can be considered anything but a fucking scumbag. He was the worst villain to hold the office of Chief Executive in US history.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback 70 years later. Every nation on earth took similar actions or worse during the war.
FDR gave in to post Pearl Harbor histeria
So did 90% of Americans who supported his actions

Oh, so do you play the suckass apologist for Hitler, Stalin, Mao and every other dictator of the day? After all, that's just what everyone did back then so it's fine, right suckass?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wallace began as a right wing populist and ended up a populist socialist. Use terms correctly, PC.

And "Discussion in 'History' started by PoliticalChic, Today at 7:21 AM."

It's tough to be PC.

I feel guilty showing everyone that you are a lying imbecile....it's just too darn easy.

1. Henry Wallace, 1940-1944. “America’s main enemy was Churchill and the British Empire.” He insisted that peace would be assured “if the United States guaranteed Stalin control of Eastern Europe.” (Ronad Radosh, “Progressively Worse,” The New Republic, June 12, 2000) When Stalin seized Czechoslovakia, Wallace sided with Stalin. When Stalin blockaded Berlin, Wallace opposed the Berlin Airlift. After visiting a Soviet slave camp, Wallace enthusiastically described it a s a “combination TVA and Hudson Bay Company.” Ibid,

2. In 1948, at the apex of Moscow-directed subversion of US politics, FDR’s VP Henry Wallace, former Sec’y of Agriculture, to form the Communist-dominated and Soviet-backed “Progressive Party.” Of course, Wallace’s “Progressives” allowed not even the most peripheral criticism of Soviet aggression.(John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)

The progressives received one million votes. The Communist Party USA did not field a presidential candidate, and instead endorsed Wallace for President. (Progressive Party United States 1948 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia


3. Wallace met personally with KGB agents. (Allen Weinstein and Alexander Vassiliev, Haunted Woods, p. 119)

4.“…several prominent journalists, including H.L. Mencken and Dorothy Thompson, publicly charged that Wallace and the Progressives were under the covert control of Communists. Wallace was endorsed by the Communist Party (USA), and his subsequent refusal to publicly disavow any Communist support cost him the backing of many anti-Communist liberals and socialists…” (Henry A. Wallace - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

5. In his diary, Wallace, whose view of the future of America required Soviet-style Communism, wrote that FDR had assured him that he was a few years ahead of his time, but that his vision for American would “inevitably come.” (John Patrick Diggins, “Good Intentions,” The National Interest, Fall, 2000)




And this, you fool:

6. “Henry Wallace, vice-president during Roosevelt’s third term in office (1941-1945), said later that if the ailing Roosevelt had died during that period and he had become President, it had been his intention to make Duggan his Secretary of State and White his Secretary of Treasury…The fact that Roosevelt survived into…a fourth term…deprived Soviet intelligence of what would have been its most spectacular success in penetrating a major Western government.”
‘The Sword and the Shield: The Mitrokhin Archives, the History of the KGB,” by Christopher Andrew and Vasili Mitrokhin.p. 107-108

 

[PoliticalChic]

The blending of socialist ideas into a capitalist economy is what created the middle class in America. That led to America being the richest and most powerful country the world has ever seen. It was done without conquering vast regions and numbers of other countries with military might. FDR promised a chicken in every pot. By the time he was done he had us lined up for a house, car, college education and jobs for everyone willing to work. Presidents that followed him kept to his basic plans until Reagan showed up. Countries been a mess ever since.

So...basically, you're admitting to be a communist apologist?

Explains your shielding of Roosevelt.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You were on a roll right up to the "willing to work" part. Are you completely forgetting that FDR was a Democrat?

Americans are the hardest working and among the most productive on earth

It is Conservatives who call them lazy

So....that's why Clinton signed the Welfare Reform Bill?

Get your story straight.

 

[rightwinger]

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FDR rightly dumped money into our economy when nobody else would.
.

The scumbag "dumped" American citizens into concentration camps.

Yes he did

No one who commits such an outrage can be considered anything but a fucking scumbag. He was the worst villain to hold the office of Chief Executive in US history.

It is easy to Monday morning quarterback 70 years later. Every nation on earth took similar actions or worse during the war.
FDR gave in to post Pearl Harbor histeria
So did 90% of Americans who supported his actions

Oh, so do you play the suckass apologist for Hitler, Stalin, Mao and every other dictator of the day? After all, that's just what everyone did back then so it's fine, right suckass?

Hyperbole.......nobody was executed

Those suspected of being subversive were locked up in England, Canada, Austrailia and every other allied country. Wasn't right, but that was the world we lived in in 1942

 

[JakeStarkey]

PC's facts show that Wallace was a socialist populist, not a communist, at the end.

PC has a right to her opinion, but not to say her facts say what they do not.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?

We would have sided with Hitler and the world would be a vastly different place.

No one.....no one.....suggesting siding with Hitler.

But those knowledgeable...the anti-communists of the State Department....said this:

When the (anticipated) event that Hitler would attack Stalin's Russia, as they did June 21st, 1941,America should have done nothing...no more than relaxing restrictions on exports to the Russians...but at the same time securing a quid pro quo for further assistance! Lend-Lease should not have been the automatic and unlimited buffet that it turned into!

"Finally, should the Soviet regime fall,...we should refuse to recognize a Communist government-in-exile, leaving the path clear for establishment for a non-Communist government in Russia after the war." These were the words of Loy Henderson, Soviet and Eastern European affairs expert and Foreign Service officer, as quoted by Martin Weil in "A pretty good club: The founding fathers of the U.S. Foreign Service," p. 106.

Hanson Baldwin, military critic of the New York Times, declares in his book, "Great Mistakes of the War:" 'There is no doubt whatsoever that it would have been to the interest of Britain, the United States, and the world to have allowed and indeed to have encouraged-the world's two great dictatorships to fight each other to a frazzle.'

Baldwin writes that the United States put itself "in the role-at times a disgraceful role-of fearful suppliant and propitiating ally, anxious at nearly any cost to keep Russia fighting. In retrospect, how stupid!"



Now stop resisting education.

 

[PoliticalChic]

FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?

We would have sided with Hitler and the world would be a vastly different place.

Republicans would have bitched about HItler but would have done nothing about him
They would have tied us up in interstate bickering about who was getting defense dollars and would not have been able to build an allied alliance

We would have fought as isolationists

Before the war, FDR and Hitler had quite an amiable relationship.

The National Socialists praised Roosevelt.

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

 

[Unkotare]

.......nobody was executed

So, concentration camps are OK with you as long as no one is executed? Is that your standard?

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one said concentration camps were OK.

PC keeps twisting definitions, and her OP thus fails because of the twisting.

 

[rightwinger]

Can you imagine the disaster if it was Republicans who had to restructure us into a wartime economy with their states rights and isolationist philosophies?

FDR was the right man for the right time

What nonsense.

1. FDR did very little for the Army either with its size or weapons and during the 1930s, his defense budgets were cut to the bone.
2. To quote George Marshall's words to FDR in May 1940: "If you don't do something...and do it right away, I don't know what is going to happen to this country". FDR had underestimated the Japanese and the Pearl Harbor attack devastated the American Navy and exposed the president's incompetence.

Yea....a depression economy will do that. But then again, Republicans did very little to build an Army and Navy during the booming 20s

The miracle of Roosevelt is how quickly and effectively he turned us from the 18th largest military to a global superpower

No Republican could have done it

 

[rightwinger]

FDR was the right man for the right time

Can you imagine where we would have been if Republicans had been allowed to lead us out of the depression or during WWII?

We would have sided with Hitler and the world would be a vastly different place.

Republicans would have bitched about HItler but would have done nothing about him
They would have tied us up in interstate bickering about who was getting defense dollars and would not have been able to build an allied alliance

We would have fought as isolationists

Before the war, FDR and Hitler had quite an amiable relationship.

The National Socialists praised Roosevelt.

" Fascism did not acquire an evil name in Washington until Hitler became a menace to·the Soviet Union."
Manly, "The Twenty Year Revolution," p. 48

Actually, they didn't

But why don't you fabricate some cut and pasted for us?