The lunacy of electric cars

[BWK]

Its amazing how ignorant the EV advocates are about basic science and energy. They seem to think that an EV just runs forever without any input of any kind. If they get beyond that they think the recharging is free and doesn't require additional generating capacity. Ignorance abounds on the left, they prove it every day.

And a car on gas can run forever without any input?

 

[BWK]

Wait until they get a $20,000 plus bill for replacing that battery. Wonder what the core disposal charge is?

You should know. Aren't you the one volunteering prices?

 

[BWK]

That's not a machine.

 

[BWK]

all electric cars will do is trade one negative effect on the environment for another.

it wont solve shit.

decades from now some crooked ass politician will be touting how everyone needs to contribute to their campaign so they can solve the new environmental crisis caused by mining and batteries.

So, you are saying the negative effects would be the same? Got a link?

 

[SavannahMann]

And how much energy does it take to produce your Gasoline? You have pumping to get it out of the ground. That would be Electricity. There was the original drilling, which probably burned a hundred thousand tons of Diesel to get to. There was all the Diesel used to truck or ship or fly the stuff to the site of the drilling.

Refining is extremely energy intense. Transporting it requires either a lot of electricity to get it through the various pipelines, or tons of diesel fuel to have it shipped by truck or train.

None of that happens by magic. It isn’t a side effect, or even a byproduct. It requires a lot of energy to produce a gallon of gasoline for your car. I’ve heard it takes between four and six kilowatt hours of electricity to do so.

So your gasoline is hardly efficient.

It’s worse though. To win in Iowa, all candidates must swear that they are going to continue the Ethanol policies. Ethanol has a much lower BTU rate than gasoline. And it takes electricity to produce the Ethanol. Ethanol mixed with your Gasoline, means that the total BTU’s of that gallon is lower. It has less potential energy per gallon.

But hey, keep harping on how awful electric cars are. And maybe they’ll just go away.

 

[Lesh]

That's not a machine.

And it's not perpetual

 

[Lesh]

And how much energy does it take to produce your Gasoline? You have pumping to get it out of the ground. That would be Electricity. There was the original drilling, which probably burned a hundred thousand tons of Diesel to get to. There was all the Diesel used to truck or ship or fly the stuff to the site of the drilling.

Refining is extremely energy intense. Transporting it requires either a lot of electricity to get it through the various pipelines, or tons of diesel fuel to have it shipped by truck or train.

None of that happens by magic. It isn’t a side effect, or even a byproduct. It requires a lot of energy to produce a gallon of gasoline for your car. I’ve heard it takes between four and six kilowatt hours of electricity to do so.

So your gasoline is hardly efficient.

It’s worse though. To win in Iowa, all candidates must swear that they are going to continue the Ethanol policies. Ethanol has a much lower BTU rate than gasoline. And it takes electricity to produce the Ethanol. Ethanol mixed with your Gasoline, means that the total BTU’s of that gallon is lower. It has less potential energy per gallon.

But hey, keep harping on how awful electric cars are. And maybe they’ll just go away.

And let's not forget that we ARE running out of oil.

Yes...it will be done...within 30-50 years...and get more expensive to produce as we near that end

 

[Redfish]

What does it cost to replace an auto engine?

less than a tesla battery, and engines last longer than batteries. false analogy attempt.

 

[Redfish]

And let's not forget that we ARE running out of oil.

Yes...it will be done...within 30-50 years...and get more expensive to produce as we near that end

horseshit! the USA has enough oil and gas to power our country for 300 years. You same libs in the 70s that all the oil would be gone by 2000, you lied then and you are lying now.

 

[Redfish]

And a car on gas can run forever without any input?

of course not, no one ever said anything close to that.

 

[Lesh]

horseshit! the USA has enough oil and gas to power our country for 300 years. You same libs in the 70s that all the oil would be gone by 2000, you lied then and you are lying now.

World Oil Statistics - Worldometer

Amount of Oil left in the world based on proven gas reserves and current global consumption levels. World Oil reserves, production, and consumption by year and by country, imports, exports, charts and list.

www.worldometers.info

47 years

 

[Lesh]

less than a tesla battery, and engines last longer than batteries. false analogy attempt.

How long before a Tesla battery needs to be replaced?


“An average electric vehicle (EV) will need a replacement battery when it has lost 20% of its range. Most users have reported Tesla battery loss at only 5% after 100,000 miles."

Hmmmm

 

[there4eyeM]

The debate is not based on good sense. As with every other subject in America, there is the instant division into the binary camps of "left" and "right".
Personal vehicles in the U.S. have become dissociated from practical applications and have devolved to ego expression. We are condemned to penury, pollution and perpetual petroleum dependence because of the addiction to tastes developed in the past. Few are willing to see progress in a new direction. Most, in fact, see any other direction than continuing as things have been as going backwards. It will take some drastic event to provoke appreciable change.

 

[Batcat]

Fuel is transported through wires; no pipeline spills.yut.

True, but the power is generated in a power plant that will likely run on fossil fuel. So there could still be pipeline spills.

 

[Woodznutz]

True, but the power is generated in a power plant that will likely run on fossil fuel. So there could still be pipeline spills.

Good point.

 

[westwall]

how many miles in 18 holes? then a recharge. THINK before posting

Moonie is incapable of thinking.

 

[SavannahMann]

True, but the power is generated in a power plant that will likely run on fossil fuel. So there could still be pipeline spills.

In Georgia. We get out power from Nuke plants. There are two with a third under construction for our area.

I am an unabashed and unapologetic supporter of Nuclear Power.

By the end of next year. The last two reactors will be online and producing lots of electricity. Probably be online. It’s had a lot of delays. But I’d rather take the time and make sure it’s right. Wouldn’t you?

 

[Staidhup]

Nuclear and hydrogen fuel cell are the future.

 

[badger2]

Its amazing how ignorant the EV advocates are about basic science and energy. They seem to think that an EV just runs forever without any input of any kind. If they get beyond that they think the recharging is free and doesn't require additional generating capacity. Ignorance abounds on the left, they prove it every day.

Once everything is paid for, an ebike, battery, solar panels, the cost is almost nothing when the sun comes out. Battery charging can also occur while the vehicle is in motion. It beats petroleum addiction, even when charging off the grid: $0.25 per charge per ~20 miles of assisted travel.

 

[Batcat]

In Georgia. We get out power from Nuke plants. There are two with a third under construction for our area.

I am an unabashed and unapologetic supporter of Nuclear Power.

By the end of next year. The last two reactors will be online and producing lots of electricity. Probably be online. It’s had a lot of delays. But I’d rather take the time and make sure it’s right. Wouldn’t you?

I support nuclear power especially the small modular reactors that are being developed today. Hopefully we will eventually get fusion power.

What are Small Modular Reactors (SMRs)?

Small modular reactors (SMRs) are advanced nuclear reactors that produce up to 300 MW(e) of low-carbon electricity, which is about one-third of the generating capacity of traditional nuclear power reactors.

www.iaea.org