The Louisiana Purchase is fake

[rupol2000]

The logic of those events suggests that the French Revolution began precisely with the American Revolution, and Louisiana was under the control of France. This means that in Louisiana the power was seized by the revolutionaries, the British were thrown off the coast, and the United States was formed. No additional "purchase" was required.

 

[WinterBorn]

It was not fake. France needed money more than they needed the land. They sold the land to the US.

Thomas Jefferson was the man who made the deal.

 

[rupol2000]

It was not fake. France needed money more than they needed the land. They sold the land to the US.

Thomas Jefferson was the man who made the deal.

It doesn't matter what France wanted. Louisiana at that time could not belong to France, because there was a revolution and it was independent. And Napoleon crushed the revolution in mainland France. He couldn't sell what didn't belong to him.

 

[rupol2000]

In addition, the Great Jefferson would not talk to the strangler of the Revolution, for sure he valued him not more than a worm under his feet.
Where is it written that Jefferson recognized the authority of Napoleon?

 

[WinterBorn]

It doesn't matter what France wanted. Louisiana at that time could not belong to France, because there was a revolution and it was independent. And Napoleon crushed the revolution in mainland France. He couldn't sell what didn't belong to him.

It did, in fact, belong to France. The revolution did not magically release all the holdings and colonies of France.

 

[rupol2000]

It did, in fact, belong to France

In fact not. Napoleon himself also did not have legitimate power at that time.

 

[WinterBorn]

In addition, the Great Jefferson would not talk to the strangler of the Revolution, for sure he valued him not more than a worm under his feet.
Where is it written that Jefferson recognized the authority of Napoleon?

Jefferson did not like Napoleon, but he recognized him as the leader of France.

from: Jefferson on Napoleon - LewRockwell
"The Louisiana Purchase in 1803, encompassing 828,000 square miles of land west of the Mississippi River, began as just an attempt by President Jefferson to purchase the land around New Orleans to secure for American commerce an outlet through the Mississippi River. Instead, it resulted in the United States nearly doubling in size. Napoleon had reportedly said to two of his ministers: “I renounce Louisiana. It is not only New Orleans that I will cede; it is the whole colony, without reservation. I renounce it with the greatest regret. To attempt obstinately to retain it would be folly. I direct you to negotiate this affair with the envoys of the United States.” The treaty of cession contained two conventions, one authorizing the payment of 60 million francs ($11,250,000) for the land and the other authorizing the payment of 20 million francs ($3,750,000) for claims American citizens had made against France for the payment of debts."

So Jefferson did not like Napoleon. But Jefferson knew we needed a port for commerce. But when Napoleon offered the entire 828,000 square miles, Jefferson jumped on it.

 

[WinterBorn]

In fact not. Napoleon himself also did not have legitimate power at that time.

Napoleon seized power in 1799 in a coup, and crowned himself Emperor in 1804. The Lousianna Purchase happened in 1803. So yes, Napoleon was the leader of France when it happened.

 

[rupol2000]

Napoleon seized power in 1799 in a coup

He declared himself in power, but this is a legally insignificant statement. And for Jefferson, he was in any case an empty place.

 

[WinterBorn]

He declared himself in power, but this is a legally insignificant statement. And for Jefferson, he was in any case an empty place.

The US paid money to France. France gave the 828,000 acres to the US. The entire international community recognized the land as now belonging to the US.

That is, by definition, the sale of the property. France never made any claims that Napoleon did not have the right to sell the land. They never tried to claim the land for France again.

So all your nonsense is just an attempt to troll without recognizing the actual history.

 

[rupol2000]

The US paid money to France

There was no point in paying the dwarf for something that did not belong to him. Besides before the 1 Empire, he had no real power in France itself too.

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[WinterBorn]

There was no point in paying the dwarf for something that did not belong to him. Besides before the 1 Empire, he had no real power in France itself too.

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Fake? The US paid the money and then claimed ownership of the land. The rest of the world recognized it as US property. That defines it as real.

 

[rupol2000]

Fake? The US paid the money and then claimed ownership of the land. The rest of the world recognized it as US property. That defines it as real.

This was the property of the United States after the Revolution anyway.

 

[WinterBorn]

This was the property of the United States after the Revolution anyway.

No, it was not. It was recognized as French territory.

 

[rupol2000]

In fact, Louisiana did not belong to France even before the revolution. It did not define itself as part of France:


Eleven U.S. states declared secession and formed the main part of the CSA. They were South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina

 

[rupol2000]

Jefferson spat on the dwarf. He wouldn't even buy a rusty nail from him.

 

[WinterBorn]

In fact, Louisiana did not belong to France even before the revolution. It did not define itself as part of France:


Eleven U.S. states declared secession and formed the main part of the CSA. They were South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana, Texas, Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee, and North Carolina

The state of Louisiana and the Louisiana Purchase are two completely different things.

The Louisiana Purchase gained the US 828,000 square miles of land. The state of Louisiana is only 52,000 square miles. In other words, the state is only 6% of the Louisiana Purchase.

And the purchase happened in 1803. Louisianna became a state in 1812. And the state seceded in 1861. Your argument is laughable.

 

[WinterBorn]

Jefferson spat on the dwarf. He wouldn't even buy a rusty nail from him.

You can keep saying that until you are blue in the face. But, in fact, Jefferson bought more than a rusty nail. He bought 828,000 square miles of land.

 

[rupol2000]

The state of Louisiana and the Louisiana Purchase are two completely different things

You're tangled up in the lies of the feds

 

[WinterBorn]

You're tangled up in the lies of the feds

I am explaining US history to you. The actual facts show your claims are insane.