The Libby Trial: A Farce and An Outrage

[Annie]

what "crime" was Clinton ever found guilty of committing?

While not convicted, he sured entered into enough fines and punishments as parts of pleas:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/01/scotus.clinton/

 

[Bullypulpit]

While not convicted, he sured entered into enough fines and punishments as parts of pleas:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/01/scotus.clinton/

Uh, dear lady, that was part and parcel with his indictment for lying about consensual sex in the Oval Office. Nobody died as a result of that lie, however. And why do you, and others keep dragging Goatboy's name up. America is in its current straights due to the policies of Chimpy's administration, which you have fully supported since he and his administration first came to power. Why aren't you happy? Why is Clinton to blame for the failures and crimes of Chimpy and Co?

 

[mattskramer]

Which is atrocious since Clinton actually committed a crime and Libby didn't.

Bottom line: Should perjury always be a punishable crime or not? What lies are okay and what lies are not okay? I remember when Democrats would argue that to lie about an affair is not a serious offence. Republicans would respond by saying that it does not matter what he lied about – the fact is that he lied. Therefore he should be punished.

Now that a Republican may be in trouble of telling lies, should he be punished if it is found that he committed perjury? Perhaps his lies are not important but he still might have lied?

I ask you, Republican or Democrat: Shouldn’t we be consistent with respect to issues of perjury?

 

[CTRLALTDEL]

In the eyes of the Bush apologists on this board, PERJURY only applies to Democrats. REPUBLICANS are immune to charges of PERJURY. Christians DON'T LIE after all.

 

[Annie]

In the eyes of the Bush apologists on this board, PERJURY only applies to Democrats. REPUBLICANS are immune to charges of PERJURY. Christians DON'T LIE after all.

So it doesn't matter, in your arguement, 'everyone does it' is a get out of trouble card?

 

[maineman]

While not convicted, he sured entered into enough fines and punishments as parts of pleas:

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/LAW/10/01/scotus.clinton/

oh..."while not convicted"..... I asked what crime he had been convicted of.

Avatar said he committed a crime and I asked for proof of that. seeing none, I will consider my point made.

 

[red states rule]

oh..."while not convicted"..... I asked what crime he had been convicted of.

Avatar said he committed a crime and I asked for proof of that. seeing none, I will consider my point made.

Clinton was found guilty of civil contempt of court, fined and had his law license suspended for five years

Clinton found in civil contempt for Jones testimony

April 12, 1999
Web posted at: 7:24 p.m. EDT (2324 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 12) -- U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright found President Bill Clinton in civil contempt of court Monday for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.

Wright has referred her ruling to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if any disciplinary action should be taken, CNN has learned.

"Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false," the judge wrote of Clinton's January 17, 1998 deposition.

Wright also ordered Clinton to pay Jones "any reasonable expenses including attorneys' fees caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders," directing Jones' lawyers to submit an accounting of their expenses and fees within 20 days.

She also ruled Clinton must reimburse to the court $1,202 for the judge's travel expenses. Wright traveled to Washington at Clinton's request to preside over what she now calls "his tainted deposition."

"The court takes no pleasure whatsoever in holding this nation's president in contempt of court," the 32-page opinion read.

Referring to the professional rule that states it is misconduct for a lawyer to engage in conduct involving "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation," Wright also referred matter to the Arkansas Supreme Court's Committee on Professional Conduct to review Clinton's action and impose any disciplinary action it thinks is appropriate, including possible disbarment as a lawyer.

Bob Bennett, Clinton's attorney in the Paula Jones case, is withholding any comment until he can study the ruling.

Clinton has 30 days to request a hearing or file a notice of appeal of Wright's ruling. If the president's legal team does not respond, the court will enter an order setting out the time and manner by which Clinton must comply with the sanctions.

Wright first raised the possibility of contempt in a footnote to her September 1 decision to release a transcript of Clinton's testimony in the Jones case, but said she wanted to wait to address the issue until after the president's impeachment trial.

At the time, Wright said she "has concerns about the nature of the president's January 17, 1998, deposition" but "makes no findings at this time regarding whether the president may be in contempt."

In the deposition, Clinton said: "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." He acknowledged August 17 before a federal grand jury -- and again in a nationally televised address -- that he had an inappropriate relationship with Lewinsky.

However, he has said that the statements he made in the Jones deposition were "legally accurate."

Clinton testified to the grand jury that he might not have been paying attention when his lawyer told the judge about Lewinsky's affidavit in which she said there was no sex of any kind with Clinton.

Landmark Legal Foundation, a conservative legal group in Washington, filed a formal petition with Wright months ago seeking a court hearing on whether Clinton was in contempt of court because of what the private organization called his "apparently false testimony." The foundation said "the court has the right, if not the duty, to defend itself against obstructive acts committed in its presence."

Jones filed her lawsuit in 1994. Wright dismissed the lawsuit April 1, but Jones appealed the decision. The appeal was pending when she and Clinton reached a settlement November 13.

Jones' lawsuit brought to light the president's affair with Lewinsky and set in motion a criminal investigation that resulted in the House vote to impeach Clinton.

Jones alleged that Clinton, when he was governor of Arkansas, made a crude advance in a room at a Little Rock hotel in 1991, and that her career suffered because she rejected his overtures. She was a state worker at the time.

CNN's Bob Franken and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/12/clinton.contempt/

 

[maineman]

Clinton was found guilty of civil contempt of court, fined and had his law license suspended for five years

Clinton found in civil contempt for Jones testimony

April 12, 1999
Web posted at: 7:24 p.m. EDT (2324 GMT)


WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, April 12) -- U.S. District Judge Susan Webber Wright found President Bill Clinton in civil contempt of court Monday for his "willful failure" to obey her repeated orders to testify truthfully in the Paula Jones sexual harassment lawsuit.

Wright has referred her ruling to the Arkansas Supreme Court to see if any disciplinary action should be taken, CNN has learned.

"Simply put, the president's deposition testimony regarding whether he had ever been alone with Ms. (Monica) Lewinsky was intentionally false and his statements regarding whether he had ever engaged in sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky likewise were intentionally false," the judge wrote of Clinton's January 17, 1998 deposition.

Wright also ordered Clinton to pay Jones "any reasonable expenses including attorneys' fees caused by his willful failure to obey this court's discovery orders," directing Jones' lawyers to submit an accounting of their expenses and fees within 20 days.

She also ruled Clinton must reimburse to the court $1,202 for the judge's travel expenses. Wright traveled to Washington at Clinton's request to preside over what she now calls "his tainted deposition."

"The court takes no pleasure whatsoever in holding this nation's president in contempt of court," the 32-page opinion read.

Referring to the professional rule that states it is misconduct for a lawyer to engage in conduct involving "dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation," Wright also referred matter to the Arkansas Supreme Court's Committee on Professional Conduct to review Clinton's action and impose any disciplinary action it thinks is appropriate, including possible disbarment as a lawyer.

Bob Bennett, Clinton's attorney in the Paula Jones case, is withholding any comment until he can study the ruling.

Clinton has 30 days to request a hearing or file a notice of appeal of Wright's ruling. If the president's legal team does not respond, the court will enter an order setting out the time and manner by which Clinton must comply with the sanctions.

Wright first raised the possibility of contempt in a footnote to her September 1 decision to release a transcript of Clinton's testimony in the Jones case, but said she wanted to wait to address the issue until after the president's impeachment trial.

At the time, Wright said she "has concerns about the nature of the president's January 17, 1998, deposition" but "makes no findings at this time regarding whether the president may be in contempt."

In the deposition, Clinton said: "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." He acknowledged August 17 before a federal grand jury -- and again in a nationally televised address -- that he had an inappropriate relationship with Lewinsky.

However, he has said that the statements he made in the Jones deposition were "legally accurate."

Clinton testified to the grand jury that he might not have been paying attention when his lawyer told the judge about Lewinsky's affidavit in which she said there was no sex of any kind with Clinton.

Landmark Legal Foundation, a conservative legal group in Washington, filed a formal petition with Wright months ago seeking a court hearing on whether Clinton was in contempt of court because of what the private organization called his "apparently false testimony." The foundation said "the court has the right, if not the duty, to defend itself against obstructive acts committed in its presence."

Jones filed her lawsuit in 1994. Wright dismissed the lawsuit April 1, but Jones appealed the decision. The appeal was pending when she and Clinton reached a settlement November 13.

Jones' lawsuit brought to light the president's affair with Lewinsky and set in motion a criminal investigation that resulted in the House vote to impeach Clinton.

Jones alleged that Clinton, when he was governor of Arkansas, made a crude advance in a room at a Little Rock hotel in 1991, and that her career suffered because she rejected his overtures. She was a state worker at the time.

CNN's Bob Franken and The Associated Press contributed to this report.
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/04/12/clinton.contempt/

"civil contempt" is not a CRIME.

 

[red states rule]

"civil contempt" is not a CRIME.

just like oral sex is not sex?

 

[maineman]

just like oral sex is not sex?

no... much different. the fact is civil contempt is not a crime...it is not criminal... it is "civil".... do you understand the difference? or are you just being intentionally obtuse as a debating ploy?

 

[red states rule]

no... much different. the fact is civil contempt is not a crime...it is not criminal... it is "civil".... do you understand the difference? or are you just being intentionally obtuse as a debating ploy?

is that why Clinton was pissed at the Judge, paid the fine, and lost his law license because he did nothing worng?

liberal logic makes a figure eight look like a straight line

 

[maineman]

is that why Clinton was pissed at the Judge, paid the fine, and lost his law license because he did nothing worng?

liberal logic makes a figure eight look like a straight line

I never said he did nothing wrong...I said he did not commit a crime.

 

[red states rule]

I never said he did nothing wrong...I said he did not commit a crime.

spoken like a true Clintonista

 

[maineman]

spoken like a true Clintonista

words have meanings.... learn to use them correctly, and we won't have to have these remedial lessons.

 

[red states rule]

words have meanings.... learn to use them correctly, and we won't have to have these remedial lessons.

you do the liberal two step very well

 

[maineman]

you do the liberal two step very well

is there some other language in which you would prefer to communicate if english is going to be a problem?

Just let me know.

 

[red states rule]

is there some other language in which you would prefer to communicate if english is going to be a problem?

Just let me know.

You speak in liberal double talk - I speak in english

you are the one with them mental disorder

it is called liberalism

 

[maineman]

You speak in liberal double talk - I speak in english

you are the one with them mental disorder

it is called liberalism

kiss my ass

 

[red states rule]

kiss my ass

testy today. again, try decaf or try sticking pins in your GWB doll

 

[maineman]

avatar claimed that Clinton had committed a crime....

do you KNOW what the word even means?