The Left's "Militia" Boogeyman Rhetoric Heats Up.

[Truthmatters]

So you refuse to read the report and knock down the facts in it?


You just say the homeland security is a bunch of liars?

 

[LibocalypseNow]

It just seems like a lot of fear mongering to me. It looks like the Left is willing to label anyone who opposes them as being a "Militia" Boogeyman. This kind of stuff is not good for our nation.

 

[Sherry]

So you refuse to read the report and knock down the facts in it?


You just say the homeland security is a bunch of liars?

It's hard not to feel sorry for someone who has such difficulty grasping simple concepts. I'll say it again, and really concentrate on my words this time. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception. Now stop and really consider that before you make another ignorant response.

 

[slackjawed]

In order to in some way put a lid on the mindless partisan bickering, I would offer the opinion that ANy group of extremists, no matter right left or indifferent, that would consider taking up arms against the legally elected government of the USA should be considered a threat to national security.

All militias are simply not the same. Our citizen's militia where I live is an important part of the community, and provides help with search and rescue, firefighting and hunting for fugitives.
However; the arayian brotherhood operates in this part of the state as well, and has formed their own militia. While both might be considered 'right-wing', only the arayian nutcases are extremists.

I would consider the citizen's militia to be operating in the public service, while the arayian brotherhood to be a threat to the public safety.

 

[Truthmatters]

So you refuse to read the report and knock down the facts in it?


You just say the homeland security is a bunch of liars?

It's hard not to feel sorry for someone who has such difficulty grasping simple concepts. I'll say it again, and really concentrate on my words this time. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception. Now stop and really consider that before you make another ignorant response.

Do you even know what McVeigh was protesting?

Do you even know what these groups homeland security is talking about are angry about?

Why are you affraid to read the HS report?

 

[Truthmatters]

(U//FOUO) The current economic and political climate has some similarities to the
1990s when rightwing extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an
economic recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived threat to
U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers.
— (U//FOUO) During the 1990s, these issues contributed to the growth in the
number of domestic rightwing terrorist and extremist groups and an increase in
violent acts targeting government facilities, law enforcement officers, banks,
and infrastructure sectors.
— (U//FOUO) Growth of these groups subsided in reaction to increased
government scrutiny as a result of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing and
disrupted plots, improvements in the economy, and the continued U.S. standing
as the preeminent world power.


http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf

 

[slackjawed]

So you refuse to read the report and knock down the facts in it?


You just say the homeland security is a bunch of liars?

I would consider Janet Napalitano to be a dunce. I say this based on her reaction to Maj. Hassan, where she stated the same day it happened there 'was no connection to islamic terror groups', and in reation to her statement on Xmas day about the underwear bomber not being connected to islamic terror groups.
The facts in both cases show her statements were premature, which is the kindest way to put it.

As Az Gov, she once attempted to deem our elected sherriff and all his deputies "domestic terrorists". She did back off that statement when she came to speak in Show Low, and was met by a couple thousand peaceful protesters at the airport.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Maybe the Socialists currently in power should stop all their disingenuous fear mongering and start understanding why so many good Americans are upset with them? Just a suggestion anyway.

 

[Sherry]

So you refuse to read the report and knock down the facts in it?


You just say the homeland security is a bunch of liars?

It's hard not to feel sorry for someone who has such difficulty grasping simple concepts. I'll say it again, and really concentrate on my words this time. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception. Now stop and really consider that before you make another ignorant response.

Do you even know what McVeigh was protesting?

Do you even know what these groups homeland security is talking about are angry about?

Why are you affraid to read the HS report?

Fuck it, you can't fix stupid. Sweetie, I think you just need a cookie and a hug.

 

[Truthmatters]

You can not stay here and defend your partisan attacks on our countries terror experts for political gain?

Gee how surprizing .

 

[HUGGY]

As we see an alarming increase in "Militia" Boogeyman rhetoric from the Left,it really does seem like we are rapidly spiralling towards another Ruby Ridge/Waco-like tragedy. Bill Clinton's recent rhetoric comparing legitimate American Protesters to the Oklahoma City Terrorists really was incredibly irresponsible and unnecessary in my opinion. It almost seems like the Left is hoping for a Ruby Ridge/Waco-like confrontation. God i hope i'm wrong about that though. Their continuous "Militia" rhetoric seems so sad & odd when you consider no one has ever seen any of these "Militia" Boogeymen. According to the Left there are Millions of these "Militia" Boogeymen all across our nation. Their numbers just don't seem to add up in my opinion though. If there were that many,i'm pretty sure we would all notice them more.

It also brings up the question of what exacty a "Militia" is. The Left's definition of "Militia" seems very vague and selective. For instance i always ask the Left if they consider the Black Panthers to be a Militia? I never seem to get a simple and straight forward answer from them on that question. The Left really should tamp down their "Militia" Boogeyman rhetoric before it leads to another terrible tragedy for this nation. We don't need more Ruby Ridges and Wacos. Lets hope the Left has a change of heart on this one and slows down on this kind of rhetoric.

Not being a card carrying member of "the left", perhaps I am not in the loop or failed to get the memo. I have seen nothing about all this fuss about militias. What I see is paranoia from people like yourself. If you refer to the FBI raid on the group plotting to murder policemen then I approve protecting our cops. If you defend thier goals in murdering cops ... well good luck with that.

Now if one of these militias would focus on our real enemies the lobbiests that buy off our elected representatives.....where can I send a contribution?

 

[Sherry]

You can not stay here and defend your partisan attacks on our countries terror experts for political gain?

Gee how surprizing .

You have a unique way of attempting to twist things. Seriously, you're quite amusing.

 

[Truthmatters]

Sherry go read the Homelan security report on right wing extremism I gave a link for.

Yeah, so what. It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception.

You say this report is just a tool.

Do you think the homeland security report has any merit?

 

[Baruch Menachem]

SOP for politicians out to smash liberty. First you raise a ghost using muslin and dry ice, then you act afraid of your own ghost and demand that Something Be Done to lay the Specter. Then you add more dry ice, more sound effects and more demands that Something Be Done.

This SOP is getting so routine that you can almost set your clock by it.

Meanwhile the real threat is the folks you choose as ghostbusters. In this case folks like Bernedette Dorn and her ilk, who actually have engaged in the behavior that you are supposedly afraid of.

Most of the violence and the threats we have seen in the last 20 years have been from the left. Now and the a right wing loon makes a score, but they are so few and far between that the left is obliged to bring up the same bones for each dance.

There is no great militia movement ready to mark on Washington when they get the word from their masters on Wall Street. There are a bunch of guys drunk on bad rhetoric and worse beer running around in the woods from time to time, but they are mostly a danger to themselves.

The real danger is from people who use boogeymen to scare us out of our freedoms and further and further under the 'protection' of a more aggressive state. The outfit really to be scared of is a justice department that wants to criminalize the exercise of free speech and free assembly. That is the scary bunch. And they do have guns. And they do train, and they do have lists, and you are on it.

 

[Sherry]

Sherry go read the Homelan security report on right wing extremism I gave a link for.

Yeah, so what. It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception.

You say this report is just a tool.

Do you think the homeland security report has any merit?

No, that is not what I said. I said it's being used as a tool. You may believe every word in it to be gospel, or you may just find it as a convenient source to back up your hysterical rantings about the Tea Party movement bringing about the next Waco-like scenerio. BTW, when HS would report that the threat levels needed to be raised right around the time of elections, did you think that was fact or just convenience??

 

[slackjawed]

Yeah, so what. It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception.

You say this report is just a tool.

Do you think the homeland security report has any merit?

No, that is not what I said. I said it's being used as a tool. You may believe every word in it to be gospel, or you may just find it as a convenient source to back up your hysterical rantings about the Tea Party movement bringing about the next Waco-like scenerio. BTW, when HS would report that the threat levels needed to be raised right around the time of elections, did you think that was fact or just convenience??

I say that our government should, and in most cases does, investigate threats to national security regardless of the political leanings of the source of those threats. I am willing to bet that there are groups on the right and the left under investigation. Threats are threats are threats.
The timing and choice of the release of information about those investigations is used as a political tool by both sides of our two party system. The release of this information, and not the release of information about other groups is used as a political tool.

I offer that you are both right.

 

[Truthmatters]

Yeah, so what. It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement. Until there is actual evidence that they have used violence to block a progressive agenda, then all the cries of them being no different than home grown terrorists such as Tim V, are intentionally misleading the public perception.

You say this report is just a tool.

Do you think the homeland security report has any merit?

No, that is not what I said. I said it's being used as a tool. You may believe every word in it to be gospel, or you may just find it as a convenient source to back up your hysterical rantings about the Tea Party movement bringing about the next Waco-like scenerio. BTW, when HS would report that the threat levels needed to be raised right around the time of elections, did you think that was fact or just convenience??

Yes you did say it was just a tool.


I quoted you exactly.

I take this report as a report from our terror experts.

There were times during the Bush admin that the experts differed with the terror threat rises.

 

[Sherry]

You say this report is just a tool.

Do you think the homeland security report has any merit?

No, that is not what I said. I said it's being used as a tool. You may believe every word in it to be gospel, or you may just find it as a convenient source to back up your hysterical rantings about the Tea Party movement bringing about the next Waco-like scenerio. BTW, when HS would report that the threat levels needed to be raised right around the time of elections, did you think that was fact or just convenience??

Yes you did say it was just a tool.


I quoted you exactly.

I take this report as a report from our terror experts.

There were times during the Bush admin that the experts differed with the terror threat rises.

You quoted the first four words of my sentence exactly, but you know perfectly well that without it in full context of the rest of the sentence, then you are being disingenuous in your claim. Then again you might not know perfectly well.

 

[Truthmatters]

It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement.

This is what you said.

You said it was just a tool.

Did you evern read the damned study?

 

[Sherry]

It's just a tool used by the loons to try and legitimize their claims that people should fear the Tea Party movement.

This is what you said.

You said it was just a tool.

Did you evern read the damned study?

TM, the bottom line is that you're a fucking tool. Reading the study does not change my mind. Now go read some more government reports.