The Left following Alinsky's playbook to the T

[Pilot1]

A lot of the Democrat politicians are Alinsky students including Bill and Hillary Clinton. Then there is the mastermind and puppeteer behind Obama, Valerie Jarrett, and the earlier influence Frank Marshall Davis an admitted Communist.

By the way, Valerie Jarrett lives with the Obama's in their D.C. home which I think is a little weird, but whatever.

 

[MindWars]

Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, Frank Marshall Davis, Valerie Jarrett, etc. All using the principles of Marx and the former USSR to create a Totalitarian state. That is why the only want the law abiding to turn in their legally owned guns.

Notice how the retard who have no clue who any of the people you mention are, they want everything these communist fkrs wanted for a communist nation and the idiots are so gawd dam stupid they don't even realize it no matter what we tell them or show them. Now that's real soul deep stupidity there.

 

[Roudy]

They are hiding some major skeletons. Let's think what the reasons could be for the Obamas to put everything on the line and make a call to Fox to get Jussie Smollette off. The media won't go there because they have no integrity and are the Left's puppets.

 

[Roudy]

Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, Frank Marshall Davis, Valerie Jarrett, etc. All using the principles of Marx and the former USSR to create a Totalitarian state. That is why the only want the law abiding to turn in their legally owned guns.

Notice how the retard who have no clue who any of the people you mention are, they want everything these communist fkrs wanted for a communist nation and the idiots are so gawd dam stupid they don't even realize it no matter what we tell them or show them. Now that's real soul deep stupidity there.

They are very good at deception, dividing and demonizing people to gain more power. Trump blew up their business model in 2016.

 

[MindWars]

and when you are NOT AN INDOCTRINATED IDIOT YOU CAN HEAR HIM LAY OUT THE VERY PLAN THAT OBAMA USED, CLINTON'S ESP. USED............



Saul Alinsky speaking at UCLA 1/17/1969

 

[rightwinger]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

 

[Roudy]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

That's only part of Alinsky's ideology, dufus. So what you went from Obama and Hillary and nothing to do with Alinsky to, "Alinsky ain't that bad"?! Ha ha ha.

Well at least we are making some baby steps towards progress.

Now that you admit that the Left's leaders are using and implementing Alinsky ideology, lets delve into who this hero of the Left Alinsky was....

Saul Alinsky and the Rise of Amorality in American Politics

The influence of the Capone gang on Alinsky is substantial and lasted for more than two years.

"He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone."

"Thus Alinsky begins his text by telling readers exactly what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. In his own mind the radical is building his own kingdom, which to him is a kingdom of heaven on earth. Since a kingdom of heaven built by human beings is a fantasy - and impossible dream- the radical's only real world efforts are those which are aimed at subverting the society he lives in. He is a nihilist.
This is something that conservatives generally have a hard time understanding. As a former radical, I am constantly asked how radicals could hate America and why they would want to destroy a society that compared to others is tolerant, inclusive and open, and treats all people with a dignity and respect that is the envy of the world. The answer to the this question is that radicals are not comparing America to other real world societies. They are comparing America to the heaven on earth - the kingdom of social justice and freedom - they think they are building. And compared to this heaven even America is hell." (Horowitz, pp.16-17, Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model)"

 

[rightwinger]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

That's only part of Alinsky's ideology, dufus. So what you went from Obama and Hillary and nothing to do with Alinsky to, "Alinsky ain't that bad"?! Ha ha ha.

Well at least we are making some baby steps towards progress.

Now that you admit that the Left's leaders are using and implementing Alinsky ideology, lets delve into who this hero of the Left Alinsky was....

Saul Alinsky and the Rise of Amorality in American Politics

The influence of the Capone gang on Alinsky is substantial and lasted for more than two years.

"He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone."

"Thus Alinsky begins his text by telling readers exactly what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. In his own mind the radical is building his own kingdom, which to him is a kingdom of heaven on earth. Since a kingdom of heaven built by human beings is a fantasy - and impossible dream- the radical's only real world efforts are those which are aimed at subverting the society he lives in. He is a nihilist.
This is something that conservatives generally have a hard time understanding. As a former radical, I am constantly asked how radicals could hate America and why they would want to destroy a society that compared to others is tolerant, inclusive and open, and treats all people with a dignity and respect that is the envy of the world. The answer to the this question is that radicals are not comparing America to other real world societies. They are comparing America to the heaven on earth - the kingdom of social justice and freedom - they think they are building. And compared to this heaven even America is hell." (Horowitz, pp.16-17, Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model)"

Still don’t see a link to what you attributed to Alinsky in your OP

Want to admit you made it up?

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

Look at your attacks on AOC and Omar. That's textbook Alinskyism. And you participate.

You and all the conservatives here are a hardcore Alinskyites. It's what you do. It's all you do.

Attacks on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez are sparked by her ridiculous Green New Deal and other assorted idiocy.

Omar is clearly an Islamist shilling for CAIR.
Those are legitimate problems that the right has with those two. You can call it Alinskyite demonization but
painting things with that broad brush doesn't make it so.

 

[Roudy]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

That's only part of Alinsky's ideology, dufus. So what you went from Obama and Hillary and nothing to do with Alinsky to, "Alinsky ain't that bad"?! Ha ha ha.

Well at least we are making some baby steps towards progress.

Now that you admit that the Left's leaders are using and implementing Alinsky ideology, lets delve into who this hero of the Left Alinsky was....

Saul Alinsky and the Rise of Amorality in American Politics

The influence of the Capone gang on Alinsky is substantial and lasted for more than two years.

"He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone."

"Thus Alinsky begins his text by telling readers exactly what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. In his own mind the radical is building his own kingdom, which to him is a kingdom of heaven on earth. Since a kingdom of heaven built by human beings is a fantasy - and impossible dream- the radical's only real world efforts are those which are aimed at subverting the society he lives in. He is a nihilist.
This is something that conservatives generally have a hard time understanding. As a former radical, I am constantly asked how radicals could hate America and why they would want to destroy a society that compared to others is tolerant, inclusive and open, and treats all people with a dignity and respect that is the envy of the world. The answer to the this question is that radicals are not comparing America to other real world societies. They are comparing America to the heaven on earth - the kingdom of social justice and freedom - they think they are building. And compared to this heaven even America is hell." (Horowitz, pp.16-17, Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model)"

Still don’t see a link to what you attributed to Alinsky in your OP

Want to admit you made it up?

The list is part of the Communist Rules for Revolution which Alinsky was follower of. A few decades later, Obama writes a book called "Rules for Revolution" based on the life of his Commie thug mentor, Saul Alinsky. Coincidence? I think not.

Why can't you admit that the Left's leadership is infested with anti American, racist, communist, globalist, fascist radicals?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KSFK8U/?tag=ff0d01-20

Barack Obama’s Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model examines the roots of the current administration’s effort to subject America to a wholesale transformation by looking at the work of one of the President’s heroes—radical Chicago “community organizer” Saul Alinsky. The guru of Sixties radicals, Alinsky urged his followers to be flexible and opportunistic and say anything to get power, which they can then use to radically change existing social and economic institutions. In this insightful new booklet, Horowitz discusses Alinsky’s work in the 60s—and his advice to radicals to seize any weapon to advance their cause. This became the philosophy of Alinskyite organizations such as ACORN and influenced the future President who came up through the Chicago network created by Alinsky’s network. After analyzing Saul Alinsky’s work and pointing out that the godfather of “social organizing” created “ not salvation but chaos,” Horowitz then he asks the crucial question: “And presidential disciples of Alinsky, what will they create

 

[Roudy]

Democrat playbook to the T:

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Opening page - Dedication

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Prologue

"The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, 'Burn the system down!' They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world. It is to this point that I have written this book."

1. The Purpose

In this book we are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people; to realize the democratic dream of equality, justice, peace.... "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.' This means revolution." p.3

"Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing." p.6

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." p.10

"An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing.... To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations...." pp.10-11

Notes on Saul Alinsky and Neo-Marxism:

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

2. Of Means and Ends [Forget moral or ethical considerations]

"The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. ... The real arena is corrupt and bloody." p.24

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…. The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be...." pp.25-26

"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means...." p.29

"The seventh rule... is that generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics...." p.34

"The tenth rule... is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.... It involves sifting the multiple factors which combine in creating the circumstances at any given time... Who, and how many will support the action?... If weapons are needed, then are appropriate d weapons available? Availability of means determines whether you will be underground or above ground; whether you will move quickly or slowly..." p.36

"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongsideWilliam Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization.... 'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing."

Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrateexisting institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.... Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

"Obama is also an Alinskyite.... Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.... Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer." (By Richard Poe, 11-27-07)

 

[rightwinger]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

That's only part of Alinsky's ideology, dufus. So what you went from Obama and Hillary and nothing to do with Alinsky to, "Alinsky ain't that bad"?! Ha ha ha.

Well at least we are making some baby steps towards progress.

Now that you admit that the Left's leaders are using and implementing Alinsky ideology, lets delve into who this hero of the Left Alinsky was....

Saul Alinsky and the Rise of Amorality in American Politics

The influence of the Capone gang on Alinsky is substantial and lasted for more than two years.

"He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone."

"Thus Alinsky begins his text by telling readers exactly what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. In his own mind the radical is building his own kingdom, which to him is a kingdom of heaven on earth. Since a kingdom of heaven built by human beings is a fantasy - and impossible dream- the radical's only real world efforts are those which are aimed at subverting the society he lives in. He is a nihilist.
This is something that conservatives generally have a hard time understanding. As a former radical, I am constantly asked how radicals could hate America and why they would want to destroy a society that compared to others is tolerant, inclusive and open, and treats all people with a dignity and respect that is the envy of the world. The answer to the this question is that radicals are not comparing America to other real world societies. They are comparing America to the heaven on earth - the kingdom of social justice and freedom - they think they are building. And compared to this heaven even America is hell." (Horowitz, pp.16-17, Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model)"

Still don’t see a link to what you attributed to Alinsky in your OP

Want to admit you made it up?

The list is part of the Communist Rules for Revolution which Alinsky was follower of. A few decades later, Obama writes a book called "Rules for Revolution" based on the life of his Commie thug mentor, Saul Alinsky. Coincidence? I think not.

Why can't you admit that the Left's leadership is infested with anti American, racist, communist, globalist, fascist radicals?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KSFK8U/?tag=ff0d01-20

Barack Obama’s Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model examines the roots of the current administration’s effort to subject America to a wholesale transformation by looking at the work of one of the President’s heroes—radical Chicago “community organizer” Saul Alinsky. The guru of Sixties radicals, Alinsky urged his followers to be flexible and opportunistic and say anything to get power, which they can then use to radically change existing social and economic institutions. In this insightful new booklet, Horowitz discusses Alinsky’s work in the 60s—and his advice to radicals to seize any weapon to advance their cause. This became the philosophy of Alinskyite organizations such as ACORN and influenced the future President who came up through the Chicago network created by Alinsky’s network. After analyzing Saul Alinsky’s work and pointing out that the godfather of “social organizing” created “ not salvation but chaos,” Horowitz then he asks the crucial question: “And presidential disciples of Alinsky, what will they create

Quite a reach on your part

Now you admit that what you posted are not Alinsky but some "Communist Rules" Alinsky may have read some time

Looking at the bogus "rules" you posted, they seem more like conservative propaganda about liberals than anything communist

 

[rightwinger]

Democrat playbook to the T:

Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals

Opening page - Dedication

“Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: from all our legends, mythology, and history... the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

Prologue

"The Revolutionary force today has two targets, moral as well as material. Its young protagonists are one moment reminiscent of the idealistic early Christians, yet they also urge violence and cry, 'Burn the system down!' They have no illusions about the system, but plenty of illusions about the way to change our world. It is to this point that I have written this book."

1. The Purpose

In this book we are concerned with how to create mass organizations to seize power and give it to the people; to realize the democratic dream of equality, justice, peace.... "Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.' This means revolution." p.3

"Radicals must be resilient, adaptable to shifting political circumstances, and sensitive enough to the process of action and reaction to avoid being trapped by their own tactics and forced to travel a road not of their choosing." p.6

"A Marxist begins with his prime truth that all evils are caused by the exploitation of the proletariat by the capitalists. From this he logically proceeds to the revolution to end capitalism, then into the third stage of reorganization into a new social order of the dictatorship of the proletariat, and finally the last stage -- the political paradise of communism." p.10

"An organizer working in and for an open society is in an ideological dilemma to begin with, he does not have a fixed truth -- truth to him is relative and changing; everything to him is relative and changing.... To the extent that he is free from the shackles of dogma, he can respond to the realities of the widely different situations...." pp.10-11

Notes on Saul Alinsky and Neo-Marxism:

Alinsky's tactics were based, not on Stalin's revolutionary violence, but on the Neo-Marxist strategies of Antonio Gramsci, an Italian Communist. Relying on gradualism, infiltration and the dialectic process rather than a bloody revolution, Gramsci's transformational Marxism was so subtle that few even noticed the deliberate changes.

2. Of Means and Ends [Forget moral or ethical considerations]

"The end is what you want, the means is how you get it. Whenever we think about social change, the question of means and ends arises. The man of action views the issue of means and ends in pragmatic and strategic terms. He has no other problem; he thinks only of his actual resources and the possibilities of various choices of action. He asks of ends only whether they are achievable and worth the cost; of means, only whether they will work. ... The real arena is corrupt and bloody." p.24

"The means-and-ends moralists, constantly obsessed with the ethics of the means used by the Have-Nots against the Haves, should search themselves as to their real political position. In fact, they are passive — but real — allies of the Haves…. The most unethical of all means is the non-use of any means... The standards of judgment must be rooted in the whys and wherefores of life as it is lived, the world as it is, not our wished-for fantasy of the world as it should be...." pp.25-26

"The third rule of ethics of means and ends is that in war the end justifies almost any means...." p.29

"The seventh rule... is that generally success or failure is a mighty determinant of ethics...." p.34

"The tenth rule... is you do what you can with what you have and clothe it with moral garments.... It involves sifting the multiple factors which combine in creating the circumstances at any given time... Who, and how many will support the action?... If weapons are needed, then are appropriate d weapons available? Availability of means determines whether you will be underground or above ground; whether you will move quickly or slowly..." p.36

"Obama learned his lesson well. I am proud to see that my father's model for organizing is being applied successfully beyond local community organizing to affect the Democratic campaign in 2008. It is a fine tribute to Saul Alinsky as we approach his 100th birthday." --Letter from L. DAVID ALINSKY, son of Neo-Marxist Saul Alinsky

Obama helped fund 'Alinsky Academy': "The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided startup funding and later capital to the Midwest Academy.... Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongsideWilliam Ayers, founder of the Weather Underground domestic terrorist organization.... 'Midwest describes itself as 'one of the nation's oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.'... Midwest teaches Alinsky tactics of community organizing."

Hillary, Obama and the Cult of Alinsky: "True revolutionaries do not flaunt their radicalism, Alinsky taught. They cut their hair, put on suits and infiltrate the system from within. Alinsky viewed revolution as a slow, patient process. The trick was to penetrateexisting institutions such as churches, unions and political parties.... Many leftists view Hillary as a sell-out because she claims to hold moderate views on some issues. However, Hillary is simply following Alinsky’s counsel to do and say whatever it takes to gain power.

"Obama is also an Alinskyite.... Obama spent years teaching workshops on the Alinsky method. In 1985 he began a four-year stint as a community organizer in Chicago, working for an Alinskyite group called the Developing Communities Project.... Camouflage is key to Alinsky-style organizing. While trying to build coalitions of black churches in Chicago, Obama caught flak for not attending church himself. He became an instant churchgoer." (By Richard Poe, 11-27-07)

Can you identify anything Alinsky ever did in his life that is illegal other than helping the poor and oppressed?

 

[22lcidw]

Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, Frank Marshall Davis, Valerie Jarrett, etc. All using the principles of Marx and the former USSR to create a Totalitarian state. That is why the only want the law abiding to turn in their legally owned guns.

When did they try to take away all your guns? How was it a totalitarian state when Republicans eere running Congress for the majority of the years?

You people really need to go basck to college & take some courses in political science. Oh wait, college? You were lucky to get that GED.

Stop it. You have lied in all of your agendas. You do not know when to stop in expanding agendas won more and more until we are now becoming slowly a nation that is not as competitive as it needs to be. At some point you will stop people from buying guns for having different political views after your innoculous innocent foot in the door legislation is passed. Watching the violence in all of those protests and the silence by your politicians and MSM and entertainers told me everything about all of the agendas won and continuously expanded over the decades. With the kill white people, kill old people and kill Christians agendas finally showing up during Obama.

 

[rightwinger]

Gotta laugh at this thread

The left following Alinsky’s playbook to a T

Then the OP posts a made up playbook....is that an Alinsky tactic?
Seems like a common tactic of conservatives

 

[rightwinger]

FACT CHECK: Beware the Useful Idiots

But this list is not something taken from the actual writings of Saul Alinsky, nor does it even sound like something he would have written (e.g., the line about “controlling health care” is anachronistic for his era, and the idea of “increasing the poverty level as high as possible” is the very antithesis of what Alinsky worked to achieve). This list is simply a modern variant of the decades-old, apocryphal Communist Rules for Revolution piece that was originally passed along without attribution until Alinsky’s name became attached to it (presumably because someone out there thought it sounded like something Alinsky might have written).

The closest analog (in form, if not in content) to the above-reproduced list of “How to create a social state” to be found in the writings of Saul Alinsky is the following list of “power tactics” Alinsky outlined in his 1971 book Rules for Radicals. Note that Alinsky’s list is devoted solely to tactics (i.e., methods for accomplishing goals) and does not specify any particular targets of those tactics (e.g., health care, religion, gun control):

 

[Pilot1]

Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, Frank Marshall Davis, Valerie Jarrett, etc. All using the principles of Marx and the former USSR to create a Totalitarian state. That is why the only want the law abiding to turn in their legally owned guns.

When did they try to take away all your guns? How was it a totalitarian state when Republicans eere running Congress for the majority of the years?

You people really need to go basck to college & take some courses in political science. Oh wait, college? You were lucky to get that GED.

Stop it. You have lied in all of your agendas. You do not know when to stop in expanding agendas won more and more until we are now becoming slowly a nation that is not as competitive as it needs to be.

China and India as well as others are eating our lunch. Where I live, over the past ten years there has been a huge influx of Indians. The area is heavy in Tech and companies that need engineers, and IT types. Our colleges are cranking out unqualified Gender and Minority studies majors while India is cranking out STEM grads.

The American Federation of Teachers, and National Education Association has ruined our schools, and universities have become anti capitalist, and anti American indoctrination centers to pick up where the schools left off. It is criminal.

 

[rightwinger]

USMB Conservative Playbook

1 Create straw men of characteristics you want to attribute to liberals
2. Attribute that straw man to a famous person
3. Attack the straw Man

 

[Roudy]

On every issue and every aspect you can see this common thread. They want to bring about the demise of this country. It started with Obama and has only gotten worse. And Trump is doing a great job saving this country from these pseudo communists that want to have a one-world global govt. that is in charge of every aspect of people's lives.

I thought your "rules" looked funny

What would Alinsky care about healthcare, guns and national debt?
Those were not the issues of his time

Ailinsky's REAL rules

1. “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.
2. “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.
3. “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.
4. “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.
5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.
6. “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.
7. “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.
8. “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.
9. “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.
10. "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition." It is this unceasing pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for the success of the campaign.
11. “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.
12. “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.
13. “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.






Why do our Conservatives make up strawmen and blame Alinsky??

That's only part of Alinsky's ideology, dufus. So what you went from Obama and Hillary and nothing to do with Alinsky to, "Alinsky ain't that bad"?! Ha ha ha.

Well at least we are making some baby steps towards progress.

Now that you admit that the Left's leaders are using and implementing Alinsky ideology, lets delve into who this hero of the Left Alinsky was....

Saul Alinsky and the Rise of Amorality in American Politics

The influence of the Capone gang on Alinsky is substantial and lasted for more than two years.

"He introduced me to Frank Nitti, known as the Enforcer, Capone's number-two man, and actually in de facto control of the mob because of Al's income-tax rap. Nitti took me under his wing. I called him the Professor and I became his student. Nitti's boys took me everywhere, showed me all the mob's operations, from gin mills and whorehouses and bookie joints to the legitimate businesses they were beginning to take over. Within a few months, I got to know the workings of the Capone."

"Thus Alinsky begins his text by telling readers exactly what a radical is. He is not a reformer of the system but its would-be destroyer. In his own mind the radical is building his own kingdom, which to him is a kingdom of heaven on earth. Since a kingdom of heaven built by human beings is a fantasy - and impossible dream- the radical's only real world efforts are those which are aimed at subverting the society he lives in. He is a nihilist.
This is something that conservatives generally have a hard time understanding. As a former radical, I am constantly asked how radicals could hate America and why they would want to destroy a society that compared to others is tolerant, inclusive and open, and treats all people with a dignity and respect that is the envy of the world. The answer to the this question is that radicals are not comparing America to other real world societies. They are comparing America to the heaven on earth - the kingdom of social justice and freedom - they think they are building. And compared to this heaven even America is hell." (Horowitz, pp.16-17, Barack Obama's Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model)"

Still don’t see a link to what you attributed to Alinsky in your OP

Want to admit you made it up?

The list is part of the Communist Rules for Revolution which Alinsky was follower of. A few decades later, Obama writes a book called "Rules for Revolution" based on the life of his Commie thug mentor, Saul Alinsky. Coincidence? I think not.

Why can't you admit that the Left's leadership is infested with anti American, racist, communist, globalist, fascist radicals?

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B009KSFK8U/?tag=ff0d01-20

Barack Obama’s Rules for Revolution: The Alinsky Model examines the roots of the current administration’s effort to subject America to a wholesale transformation by looking at the work of one of the President’s heroes—radical Chicago “community organizer” Saul Alinsky. The guru of Sixties radicals, Alinsky urged his followers to be flexible and opportunistic and say anything to get power, which they can then use to radically change existing social and economic institutions. In this insightful new booklet, Horowitz discusses Alinsky’s work in the 60s—and his advice to radicals to seize any weapon to advance their cause. This became the philosophy of Alinskyite organizations such as ACORN and influenced the future President who came up through the Chicago network created by Alinsky’s network. After analyzing Saul Alinsky’s work and pointing out that the godfather of “social organizing” created “ not salvation but chaos,” Horowitz then he asks the crucial question: “And presidential disciples of Alinsky, what will they create

Quite a reach on your part

Now you admit that what you posted are not Alinsky but some "Communist Rules" Alinsky may have read some time

Looking at the bogus "rules" you posted, they seem more like conservative propaganda about liberals than anything communist

Alinsky's rules came out at the same time in 1946 as the communist rules. Your Leftist hypocrisy in being totally okay with Obama's ties and adoration of Alinsky has been noted. Which actually is one of Alinsky's rules.

 

[Roudy]

USMB Conservative Playbook

1 Create straw men of characteristics you want to attribute to liberals
2. Attribute that straw man to a famous person
3. Attack the straw Man

Kinda like what you did when you claimed that just because Hillary or Obama wrote about Alinsky "it doesn't mean a thing".