The left claims the rich are stealing all the money, what say you?

[Gideonprime]

The 50% of you who have to pay taxes to satisfy your wants and needs disagree. so no.. it is not answered.

Fixed your post

Which is against the rules. I have flagged this shitty "fixed your post" and sent it to the moderaters., they may decide today it is NOT against the rules. We'll see. Meanwhile I'm going to neg your sorry ass for "fixing my post.

EEEEWWWW, I'm not bright enough to defend myself in the thread so I'll neg you.

Lighten up twisty knickers.

**** you

Now twisty knickers has to resort to the mighty "**** you".

Yeah really making your argument with some real smooth verbiage there Twisty Knickers!

 

[WillowTree]

Fixed your post

EEEEWWWW, I'm not bright enough to defend myself in the thread so I'll neg you.

Lighten up twisty knickers.

**** you

Now twisty knickers has to resort to the mighty "**** you".

Yeah really making your argument with some real smooth verbiage there Twisty Knickers!

I've made my arguements and you have nothing to refute them with,

 

[Gideonprime]

because a person has to work his ass of to achieve success, for some damn nit wit in congress to decide that you have to give 35% of what you worked for to the gov. who is greedy and wasteful is punishment. They don't appreciate the money, they just piss it away as fast as you can send it to them.. so to be successful is to be punished in the form of tax, all tax is punitive.. to be lazy and unsuccessful is to not be taxed but to be a taker. the taker is rewarded through the fruits of the successful's punitive tax. now go ahead and deny that.

Oh yeah cause this is such a terrible place to live, with the roads, and the parks and the Public universities, and the cops and firemen.

Yeah the successful have come to a 3rd world hell hole and worked their behinds off to gain success. Or there is reality, they are here in the largest ecconomy on earth and are lucky enough or skilled anought to find a niche that works for them and they do better than they would in the vast majority of the world andthen they carp about how horrible it is that they have to pay taxes to keep this nation a great one.

Ohh the poor wealthy how hard they have it.

Your freakin' hillarious!

I don't have a problem paying taxes to keep the important things going....the roads, parks, cops, firemen, etc.

I have a problem with all the other crap taxes that the govt has thrown on us...

WhatisTaxed.com - List of taxes - Other taxes

How many on this list do YOU enjoy paying? How many would you say are important to YOU that you don't mind paying it?

I didn;t enjoy paying for the Wars i the middle east with borrowed money but sadly, I cannot send them my tax check along with a note saying please apply only to X, Y, or Z. You get the good with the bad. As I said cost of doing business.

 

[Gideonprime]

**** you

Now twisty knickers has to resort to the mighty "**** you".

Yeah really making your argument with some real smooth verbiage there Twisty Knickers!

I've made my arguements and you have nothing to refute them with,

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

 

[WillowTree]

Now twisty knickers has to resort to the mighty "**** you".

Yeah really making your argument with some real smooth verbiage there Twisty Knickers!

I've made my arguements and you have nothing to refute them with,

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

All taxes are punitive. Deal with it.

 

[DiamondDave]

Well genius I pay taxes to I just don;t whine about and py panties in a twist over what should be considered "the cost of doing business".

Somewhere along the way the right just decided that they were entitled to whatever they wanted and shouldn't have to pay evil old taxes. That's the entitlement mentality that is truly damaging this nation.

So only selected people should pay for 'the cost of business'? Or should all people be treated equally by government under law?

To put it in another context... Should you pay $10 for a gallon of milk because you make X amount in salary, and the guy down the street pay $1 for the same milk because he makes X-50% in salary??

I said all teh bush tax cuts should sunset not just those on the rich.

Understood...

I am asking where you stand on equal treatment in taxation.. Seeing if you support X% of people paying no income tax while others pay subsequently higher rates on income... Or if you are yet another in a LONG line of people who will scream for equal treatment in only the aspects where it benefits you or those you 'support'...

I would be for the repeal of the Bush tax 'cuts' too, as long as the tax cuts that have gone on for WAY too long with other people also go away (you know, those people who pay zero in federal income tax and have for a LONG time)

 

[The T]

I've made my arguements and you have nothing to refute them with,

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

All taxes are punitive. Deal with it.

Every one of them meant to alter behaviour.

 

[DiamondDave]

I have been self employed for 23 years or so. I lost my retirement in my divorce to my ex-wife so I could keep the business. She isn't rich.

I lose mega taxes everyday to local and federal govts. They aren't the rich.

This economy has made it very difficult to recover to previous levels. The economy isn't rich.

Slowly I'm rebuilding lost wealth with no help from anyone but myself. I am not rich but I am very comfortable.

There are greedy people among us but for the most part they only get what you allow them to take from you. The biggest thief of all time is the United States Congress. And YOU do have control over them IF you choose to exercise it.

You should be like Mitt Romney. He has over $100 million in his IRA. He must be pretty darn smart to accomplish that since the max you can put in per year is $6,000.

Don't blame Mitt because you're a loser and don't offshore your money to avoid paying taxes.

Uhhhh.. you CAN contribute more to an IRA... you may pay a penalty or tax (I believe 6%), but you can... and then there are also rollovers and things from other investments you can put into your IRA

 

[WillowTree]

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

All taxes are punitive. Deal with it.

Every one of them meant to alter behaviour.

and the stupid liberals cannot understand why business is leaving the US.. you can tell they don't have degrees in rocket science.

 

[rdean]

I have been self employed for 23 years or so. I lost my retirement in my divorce to my ex-wife so I could keep the business. She isn't rich.

I lose mega taxes everyday to local and federal govts. They aren't the rich.

This economy has made it very difficult to recover to previous levels. The economy isn't rich.

Slowly I'm rebuilding lost wealth with no help from anyone but myself. I am not rich but I am very comfortable.

There are greedy people among us but for the most part they only get what you allow them to take from you. The biggest thief of all time is the United States Congress. And YOU do have control over them IF you choose to exercise it.

******* fool. Why do you think billionaires and corporations are buying up all the Republican politicians. So they can change the law and what was illegal becomes legal. Why do you think they want to end "regulations"? Every time you write something, the ignorance astounds me. It has to be something physical. Brain damage or drug overdose. Or you got Chinese milk as a baby.

2 face execution over China milk scandal - World news - Asia-Pacific - China - msnbc.com

 

[RDD_1210]

So only selected people should pay for 'the cost of business'? Or should all people be treated equally by government under law?

To put it in another context... Should you pay $10 for a gallon of milk because you make X amount in salary, and the guy down the street pay $1 for the same milk because he makes X-50% in salary??

I said all teh bush tax cuts should sunset not just those on the rich.

Understood...

I am asking where you stand on equal treatment in taxation.. Seeing if you support X% of people paying no income tax while others pay subsequently higher rates on income... Or if you are yet another in a LONG line of people who will scream for equal treatment in only the aspects where it benefits you or those you 'support'...

I would be for the repeal of the Bush tax 'cuts' too, as long as the tax cuts that have gone on for WAY too long with other people also go away (you know, those people who pay zero in federal income tax and have for a LONG time)

You just described Willow!

 

[rightwinger]

One way to ‘see’ the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is to imagine a group of 100 people who have a $100 between them. Evenly distributed each would have one dollar of wealth. Alas, that is far from the actual distribution. According to the most recent study, Currents and Undercurrents, by the Survey of Consumer Finance (Federal Reserve, Department of Treasury, 2006) wealth is distributed accordingly:

50 individuals at the bottom have a nickel. ($0.05 times 50 = $2.50)

The next 40 each have $0.70 of wealth (40 times $0.70 - $28.00).

The next 9 each have $4.00 of wealth (nine times $4.00 = $36.00)

The last richest individual has $33.40 (one time $33.40).



Read more: See the Distribution of Wealth in US (McCain, Obama, cost) - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-Data Forum

 

[WillowTree]

I said all teh bush tax cuts should sunset not just those on the rich.

Understood...

I am asking where you stand on equal treatment in taxation.. Seeing if you support X% of people paying no income tax while others pay subsequently higher rates on income... Or if you are yet another in a LONG line of people who will scream for equal treatment in only the aspects where it benefits you or those you 'support'...

I would be for the repeal of the Bush tax 'cuts' too, as long as the tax cuts that have gone on for WAY too long with other people also go away (you know, those people who pay zero in federal income tax and have for a LONG time)

You just described Willow!

fixed your post!

 

[The Rabbi]

ROTFL!

Nice deflection.

What is the deflection? If you raise the tax rates, you raise the tax rates. That is a fact.

Very good.
So how is raising taxes

1. Punishment.

and

2. Punishment for success?

It is punishment because you make the taxpayer pay more money. Or do you think it is a civic duty?
It punishes success because with a progressive system the more you make, the more you pay, and at a higher percentage rate. So the first dollar is taxed the same. But as you make more and more you keep less and less. That is punishment, taking someone's hard earned money.

 

[Gideonprime]

I've made my arguements and you have nothing to refute them with,

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

All taxes are punitive. Deal with it.

What a freakin' joke!

Clearly you have no idea what taxes are actually used for twisty knickers.

 

[DiamondDave]

One way to ‘see’ the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is to imagine a group of 100 people who have a $100 between them. Evenly distributed each would have one dollar of wealth. Alas, that is far from the actual distribution. According to the most recent study, Currents and Undercurrents, by the Survey of Consumer Finance (Federal Reserve, Department of Treasury, 2006) wealth is distributed accordingly:

50 individuals at the bottom have a nickel. ($0.05 times 50 = $2.50)

The next 40 each have $0.70 of wealth (40 times $0.70 - $28.00).

The next 9 each have $4.00 of wealth (nine times $4.00 = $36.00)

The last richest individual has $33.40 (one time $33.40).



Read more: See the Distribution of Wealth in US (McCain, Obama, cost) - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-Data Forum

And you are guaranteed, or should have guaranteed, equality in outcome??

 

[RDD_1210]

Understood...

I am asking where you stand on equal treatment in taxation.. Seeing if you support X% of people paying no income tax while others pay subsequently higher rates on income... Or if you are yet another in a LONG line of people who will scream for equal treatment in only the aspects where it benefits you or those you 'support'...

I would be for the repeal of the Bush tax 'cuts' too, as long as the tax cuts that have gone on for WAY too long with other people also go away (you know, those people who pay zero in federal income tax and have for a LONG time)

You just described RDD

fixed your post!

Do I get to report you now?

 

[WillowTree]

No I refuted themand you resorted to negging and whining and then **** you.

Now Twisty Knickers, if you're out of your depth then you can just be on your way. The grown ups are trying to talk here.

All taxes are punitive. Deal with it.

What a freakin' joke!

Clearly you have no idea what taxes are actually used for twisty knickers.

they're so congress will have something to do,, pass a fair flat tax, no exemptions no exceptions, no excuses.. congress and the irs will be out of business.

 

[WillowTree]

You just described RDD

fixed your post!

Do I get to report you now?

do it

 

[RDD_1210]

One way to ‘see’ the distribution of wealth in the U.S. is to imagine a group of 100 people who have a $100 between them. Evenly distributed each would have one dollar of wealth. Alas, that is far from the actual distribution. According to the most recent study, Currents and Undercurrents, by the Survey of Consumer Finance (Federal Reserve, Department of Treasury, 2006) wealth is distributed accordingly:

50 individuals at the bottom have a nickel. ($0.05 times 50 = $2.50)

The next 40 each have $0.70 of wealth (40 times $0.70 - $28.00).

The next 9 each have $4.00 of wealth (nine times $4.00 = $36.00)

The last richest individual has $33.40 (one time $33.40).



Read more: See the Distribution of Wealth in US (McCain, Obama, cost) - Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Conservatives, Liberals, Third Parties, Left-Wing, Right-Wing, Congress, President - City-Data Forum

And you are guaranteed, or should have guaranteed, equality in outcome??

No you shouldn't. Be you should be guaranteed the same opportunity.