The Judiciary Act of 1789 didn't anticipate a prez like trump.

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In so many ways, our system was not designed to deal with the autocratic impulses of a prez.

The Government does not ask for complete stays of the injunctions, as it ordinarily does before this Court. Why? The answer is obvious: To get such relief, the Government would have to show that the Order is likely constitutional, an impossible task in light of the Constitution’s text, history, this Court’s precedents, federal law, and Executive Branch practice. So the Government instead tries its hand at a different game. It asks this Court to hold that, no matter how illegal a law or policy, courts can never simply tell the Executive to stop enforcing it against anyone.
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As is the case in many instances where the founding documents come in to play, like the Judiciary Act of 1789, the men of the era who wrote them did not contemplate a future petty tyrant issuing a blatantly unconstitutional order.

The thing about the Roberts court is in previous rulings it has gone beyond the scope of the case before it to put its radically conservative, ideological stamp on the matter at hand. Naturally, in this case they did not rule on the constitutionality of Dotard's EO since it has no hope of surviving scrutiny on those grounds.

The Supreme Court’s birthright citizenship reasoning reveals a startlingly myopic view​

Despite the fact that the question before them was limited to whether federal trial court judges can issue injunctions that apply nationwide, the justices seemed incapable of distinguishing between that question and the underlying issue of birthright citizenship. In fact, that difficulty demonstrates the fallacy behind trying to limit or do away with nationwide injunctions because the underlying issue is always inextricably interwoven with whether an injunction is needed.

Today’s 6-3 decision fails to resolve this conundrum. Rather, it only further highlights the problems raised at oral argument — with the conservative majority focusing only on the authority of lower courts to issue nationwide injunctions, while the liberal minority dissents accuse the majority of turning a blind-eye to the potentially blatant illegality of Trump’s executive order.

In a coldly beautiful piece of legal writing, Justice Amy Coney Barrett manages to capture the votes of all of the conservative justices with a deep dive into the history of the 1789 Judiciary Act. She concludes that in 1789, there was no contemplation of nationwide injunctions and, thus, using them likely exceeds the authority of the federal courts.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent — joined by Justice Elana Kagan, accuses the majority of enabling legal “gamesmanship” by the Trump administration that makes it so that “No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates.” In a separate, even more blistering dissent, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson argues that the majority gives the executive branch “permission to engage in unlawful behavior.”

 
In so many ways, our system was not designed to deal with the autocratic impulses of a prez.
The Founders and early legislators did everything they could to deter this from happening, but they couldn't account for changes in culture and human nature. Nor could they account for the rise of a fully self-contained and separate informational universe.

Uncharted waters now. The Founders, as brilliant as their work was, did not have a provision for this, nor could they.
 
You lost.

Suck on it.

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The Founders and early legislators did everything they could to deter this from happening, but they couldn't account for changes in culture and human nature. Nor could they account for the rise of a fully self-contained and separate informational universe.

Uncharted waters now. The Founders, as brilliant as their work was, did not have a provision for this, nor could they.
Not only did they not contemplate the traitorous acts of a prez who does not have the interests of the nation in mind, they did not contemplate a populace who would support such a man.
 
Not only did they not contemplate the traitorous acts of a prez who does not have the interests of the nation in mind, they did not contemplate a populace who would support such a man.
I think that's the biggest break. If the people want fascism, we're gonna get fascism.
 
The Founders and early legislators did everything they could to deter this from happening, but they couldn't account for changes in culture and human nature. Nor could they account for the rise of a fully self-contained and separate informational universe.

Uncharted waters now. The Founders, as brilliant as their work was, did not have a provision for this, nor could they.
A variation on the intellectually bankrupt argument that the 2nd Amendment couldn't imagine machine guns.

Then, by your inane "logic", the whole ******* thing should be ignored.
 
Yet, everyone seems to want to ignore the elephant in the room that all of you supported and encouraged the authoritariansim of the last adminstration.

It seems that to you, its okay when your guy did it in the past and it will be okay in the future, except for when its a Republican.
 
Yet, everyone seems to want to ignore the elephant in the room that all of you supported and encouraged the authoritariansim of the last adminstration.

It seems that to you, its okay when your guy did it in the past and it will be okay in the future, except for when its a Republican.
These are the very same assholes who marveled at this punk...

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In so many ways, our system was not designed to deal with the autocratic impulses of a prez.

The Government does not ask for complete stays of the injunctions, as it ordinarily does before this Court. Why? The answer is obvious: To get such relief, the Government would have to show that the Order is likely constitutional, an impossible task in light of the Constitution’s text, history, this Court’s precedents, federal law, and Executive Branch practice. So the Government instead tries its hand at a different game. It asks this Court to hold that, no matter how illegal a law or policy, courts can never simply tell the Executive to stop enforcing it against anyone.
https://www.lawfaremedia.org/articl...t-partial-stay-in-birthright-citizenship-case

As is the case in many instances where the founding documents come in to play, like the Judiciary Act of 1789, the men of the era who wrote them did not contemplate a future petty tyrant issuing a blatantly unconstitutional order.

The thing about the Roberts court is in previous rulings it has gone beyond the scope of the case before it to put its radically conservative, ideological stamp on the matter at hand. Naturally, in this case they did not rule on the constitutionality of Dotard's EO since it has no hope of surviving scrutiny on those grounds.

The Supreme Court’s birthright citizenship reasoning reveals a startlingly myopic view​

Despite the fact that the question before them was limited to whether federal trial court judges can issue injunctions that apply nationwide, the justices seemed incapable of distinguishing between that question and the underlying issue of birthright citizenship. In fact, that difficulty demonstrates the fallacy behind trying to limit or do away with nationwide injunctions because the underlying issue is always inextricably interwoven with whether an injunction is needed.

Today’s 6-3 decision fails to resolve this conundrum. Rather, it only further highlights the problems raised at oral argument — with the conservative majority focusing only on the authority of lower courts to issue nationwide injunctions, while the liberal minority dissents accuse the majority of turning a blind-eye to the potentially blatant illegality of Trump’s executive order.

In a coldly beautiful piece of legal writing, Justice Amy Coney Barrett manages to capture the votes of all of the conservative justices with a deep dive into the history of the 1789 Judiciary Act. She concludes that in 1789, there was no contemplation of nationwide injunctions and, thus, using them likely exceeds the authority of the federal courts.

Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s dissent — joined by Justice Elana Kagan, accuses the majority of enabling legal “gamesmanship” by the Trump administration that makes it so that “No right is safe in the new legal regime the Court creates.” In a separate, even more blistering dissent, Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson argues that the majority gives the executive branch “permission to engage in unlawful behavior.”

Cope harder.


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Not only did they not contemplate the traitorous acts of a prez who does not have the interests of the nation in mind, they did not contemplate a populace who would support such a man.
Yeah, they had a much higher opinion of the electorate back then.

They probably would not now.
 
Riiiight....All this "fascism" that you pearl clutching old women snivel about, just sprung up out of nowhere with the arrival of that awful Orange Man onto the scene.

Grow the **** up, fauxbertarian.
I'm tired of pretending. The "choice" between Ds (democratic fascism) and Rs (authoritarian fascism) is no choice at all.

I know you get off on Trump's trolling, and hate to see him criticized, but I have no idea why. It's ******* sad to see.
 
A variation on the intellectually bankrupt argument that the 2nd Amendment couldn't imagine machine guns.

Then, by your inane "logic", the whole ******* thing should be ignored.
How is that "intellectually bankrupt"?

Obviously they could not have anticipated one rifle with the power to eliminate a whole crowd hiding behind a wall.
 

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