CDZ The Jobs Ain't Coming Back

[Fenton Lum]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The jobs will come back.

The corporations will too.

 

[320 Years of History]

The jobs will come back.

The corporations will too.

If the jobs you have in mind are ones that require no advanced and/or highly specialized skills, I doubt it. Moreover, I don't think anyone who has any controlling role in the matter wants the "square peg, square hole" jobs to return.

Even if they did return, given the sum one needs to earn these days to enjoy a pleasant but not lavish lifestyle -- generally somewhere between $60K and $80K per year, IMO -- those jobs are highly unlikely to pay enough. I just don't see companies paying that much to someone who by rote performs the same limited set of activities over and over again on an assembly line. Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

Back in the day we in the USA built consumer products that were desired around the world.

Now we build and sell armament. Biggest armament dealer in the world. And because so many people want those guns, those factory workers make real good money.

So there is the difference. If, when we invent the next greatest thing that everyone needs (home fuel cells) or clean coal technology we could see a rebirth of assembly line work for some segments.

But I agree, millions of decent paying factory jobs are a thing of the past in all likelihood.

The one segment of the manufacturing industry that we ignore at real peril is letting our ability in the tool and die industry collapse.
We were the leader for years. No more. Not even close. Bad mistake.

 

[JimBowie1958]

The jobs will come back.

The corporations will too.

If the jobs you have in mind are ones that require no advanced and/or highly specialized skills, I doubt it. Moreover, I don't think anyone who has any controlling role in the matter wants the "square peg, square hole" jobs to return.

Even if they did return, given the sum one needs to earn these days to enjoy a pleasant but not lavish lifestyle -- generally somewhere between $60K and $80K per year, IMO -- those jobs are highly unlikely to pay enough. I just don't see companies paying that much to someone who by rote performs the same limited set of activities over and over again on an assembly line. Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

The jobs will come back because:

1. Americans are the most efficient work force, adding more value per man hour than any other work force in the world.

2. We have excellent infrastructure comparable to Europe without the European vacations, etc, that make European labor so costly.

3. The politics have changed. The public is fed up with watching jobs leave the country and they will and are demanding the policies that encourage the export of our jobs be reversed in BOTH parties.

4. With the transition into a jobless economy about 4 more decades ahead from now, we will covet each and every job we can give our own people. Nordic SOcialism I think is what we will transition to, and I hope so, while at the same time maintaining our efficiency and competitiveness with Europe.

5. Our Presidents are going to be populist entertainment stars more often in the future, like Trump, Ventura, and Schwartzenegger. These Presidents will punish businesses that do not bring jobs back into the country or who export jobs. Totally new work will be about the only thing tolerated, and that will decrease as the advantages of building in America return and become overwhelming.

6. Most of the best new technology starts here, in the USA, and companies will want to be as close to that wellspring of creativity as possible.

 

[william the wie]

The current education system does nor teach employment skills.

The mobility of labor has declined due to the decline in housing affordability.

Since employment has declined in US manufacture for at least 40 years while output has increased during the same time period why would even 7-10% GDP growth result in significant employment increases in manufacturing?

 

[JimBowie1958]

The current education system does nor teach employment skills.

The mobility of labor has declined due to the decline in housing affordability.

Since employment has declined in US manufacture for at least 40 years while output has increased during the same time period why would even 7-10% GDP growth result in significant employment increases in manufacturing?

One doesnt need much 'employment skills' in order to push a button with a banana pic on it, dude. The manufacturing process is being dumbed down just like everything else.

 

[william the wie]

Dumbed down to where no operator is needed is increasingly true.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Dumbed down to where no operator is needed is increasingly true.

That is where government regulations as directed by the Will of the PEOPLE, will compel them to have it anyway.

 

[william the wie]

Then the company and jobs both leave. Or in the present case I made 3% in five days because the Obamanation went along with the idea that ABM could not be countered so both China and Russia have developed hyper-velocity nuke capable missiles. that will require huge investment in much more sophisticated ABM. A $5/bbl tariff on oil and drill baby drill could not be countered but that would have been too easy.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Then the company and jobs both leave.

No, they wont leave.

They are now because these scumbags can get the best of both worlds, the advantages of being American corporatiosn while keeping most of their corporate activity off shore.

When we end that some may stay off shore, which is fine as local corporations will grow to eclipse and replace them. But most will stay.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class

When did we see that? Any specifics?

 

[Fenton Lum]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class

When did we see that? Any specifics?

Sounds like you didn't and can't figure it out, began back in the 80's, but even the most casual of observers might have noticed the entire Wall Street and financial "services" sector begging for socialist bailouts from the unsubstantial people - and receiving socialism - from both a "conservative" and then a "liberal" administrations.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class

When did we see that? Any specifics?

Sounds like you didn't and can't figure it out, began back in the 80's, but even the most casual of observers might have noticed the entire Wall Street and financial "services" sector begging for socialist bailouts from the unsubstantial people - and receiving socialism - from both a "conservative" and then a "liberal" administrations.

So you won't say when or if we saw that? Thanks for nothing.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Sanders promote infrastructure development projects

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class

When did we see that? Any specifics?

Sounds like you didn't and can't figure it out, began back in the 80's, but even the most casual of observers might have noticed the entire Wall Street and financial "services" sector begging for socialist bailouts from the unsubstantial people - and receiving socialism - from both a "conservative" and then a "liberal" administrations.

So you won't say when or if we saw that? Thanks for nothing.

Began in the 80's and is continuing. Look into it or stick with your denial, all the same to me. Horses to water, same phenomenon.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

As Obama did in 2008. What we got was the slowest economic recovery in US history.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class doesn't do much for society - as in trickle down is BS.

Which basically show us the the whole privatized gains versus socialized losses for the Wall Street bankster class

When did we see that? Any specifics?

Sounds like you didn't and can't figure it out, began back in the 80's, but even the most casual of observers might have noticed the entire Wall Street and financial "services" sector begging for socialist bailouts from the unsubstantial people - and receiving socialism - from both a "conservative" and then a "liberal" administrations.

So you won't say when or if we saw that? Thanks for nothing.

Began in the 80's and is continuing. Look into it or stick with your denial, all the same to me. Horses to water, same phenomenon.

Began in the 80's and is continuing.

So you say. So show me some examples.

Look into it or stick with your denial,

What denial? You made a claim, now show some proof. Or run away some more.

 

[william the wie]

The nifty fifty began to unravel in 1968. The unraveling of the Neo-classical (Keynesian) school began in 1960 with the first temporary breakdowns of Bretton Woods in the Gold Market. The 1980s is way too late a date for the breakdown of the FDR style planned economy.

 

[Correll]

Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

Back in the day we in the USA built consumer products that were desired around the world.

Now we build and sell armament. Biggest armament dealer in the world. And because so many people want those guns, those factory workers make real good money.

So there is the difference. If, when we invent the next greatest thing that everyone needs (home fuel cells) or clean coal technology we could see a rebirth of assembly line work for some segments.

But I agree, millions of decent paying factory jobs are a thing of the past in all likelihood.

The one segment of the manufacturing industry that we ignore at real peril is letting our ability in the tool and die industry collapse.
We were the leader for years. No more. Not even close. Bad mistake.

Germany has TWICE the percentage of workers in Manufacturing.

Why can they have TWICE as many manufacturing jobs then we can?

Because they have low wages? NO.

Because they have more productive workers? NO.

 

[william the wie]

Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

Back in the day we in the USA built consumer products that were desired around the world.

Now we build and sell armament. Biggest armament dealer in the world. And because so many people want those guns, those factory workers make real good money.

So there is the difference. If, when we invent the next greatest thing that everyone needs (home fuel cells) or clean coal technology we could see a rebirth of assembly line work for some segments.

But I agree, millions of decent paying factory jobs are a thing of the past in all likelihood.

The one segment of the manufacturing industry that we ignore at real peril is letting our ability in the tool and die industry collapse.
We were the leader for years. No more. Not even close. Bad mistake.

Germany has TWICE the percentage of workers in Manufacturing.

Why can they have TWICE as many manufacturing jobs then we can?

Because they have low wages? NO.

Because they have more productive workers? NO.

Back in the day when production activities surpassed in importance design, distribution and marketing, sure assembly line jobs paid quite nicely. Going forward, they will not.

Back in the day we in the USA built consumer products that were desired around the world.

Now we build and sell armament. Biggest armament dealer in the world. And because so many people want those guns, those factory workers make real good money.

So there is the difference. If, when we invent the next greatest thing that everyone needs (home fuel cells) or clean coal technology we could see a rebirth of assembly line work for some segments.

But I agree, millions of decent paying factory jobs are a thing of the past in all likelihood.

The one segment of the manufacturing industry that we ignore at real peril is letting our ability in the tool and die industry collapse.
We were the leader for years. No more. Not even close. Bad mistake.

Germany has TWICE the percentage of workers in Manufacturing.

Why can they have TWICE as many manufacturing jobs then we can?

Because they have low wages? NO.

Because they have more productive workers? NO.

Because they have a better school system for preparing for a career.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Germany has TWICE the percentage of workers in Manufacturing.

Why can they have TWICE as many manufacturing jobs then we can?

Twice the percentage in manufacturing is not the same as twice as many manufacturing jobs.

Aside from that, the Germans view manufacturing differently seems to me. Their kids are.brought up to believe that manufacturing is a viable, desirable career path. Different relationship between government and labor and manufacturer.
More specific training for industry. Etc.