The Issue Of The Land

[P F Tinmore]

Seriously Tinmore, what do you believe the Palestinians should do about their leadership of the PA & Hamas to better themselves & seek peace with Israel?

They just ignore them and hope they go away.

 

[MartyNYC]

They just ignore them and hope they go away.

Fouad Ajami: “The Palestinian ruin was a long time in coming. No other movement has had the indulgence granted Palestinians over the last half-century, and the results can be seen in the bravado and senseless violence...” “The Palestinians tipped power to Hamas whose very charter is pledged to the destruction of the Jewish state and the imposition of Islamist rule.”

 

[MartyNYC]

Given that Palestine was named for ancient Philistines, the land belongs to them.

 

[MJB12741]

They just ignore them and hope they go away.

"Hope" is not enough. I do believe many Palestinians do accept that Israel is there to stay & want to work for peace with Israel as well as with Arab countries. Perhaps a revolution againt the leadership is needed. An attitude of anarchy is harmony.

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Hope" is not enough. I do believe many Palestinians do accept that Israel is there to stay & want to work for peace with Israel as well as with Arab countries. Perhaps a revolution againt the leadership is needed. An attitude of anarchy is harmony.

When Abbas leaves things can go two ways.

They can follow the constitutional procedures to replace a president.

Or the US will install a new leader that the Palestinians don't want like they did in 2007.

 

[MJB12741]

When Abbas leaves things can go two ways.

They can follow the constitutional procedures to replace a president.

Or the US will install a new leader that the Palestinians don't want like they did in 2007.

That still leaves Hamas. Is that okay with you?

 

[P F Tinmore]

That still leaves Hamas. Is that okay with you?

Hamas is a creature of conflict. If the conflict is resolved, they have no reason for being.

 

[MartyNYC]

Hamas is a creature of conflict. If the conflict is resolved, they have no reason for being.

Hamas’s charter calls for the destruction of Israel, and genocide of Jews.

The son of a founder of Hamas explains Mosab Hassan Yousef (Son of Hamas Founder) tells the truth about Hamas.

 

[MJB12741]

Hamas is a creature of conflict. If the conflict is resolved, they have no reason for being.

Agreed. As things are neither side in the conflict are willing or wanting to get together to discuss a solution for peace. You & I as leaders would have a better chance for a lasting peace solution than with Netanyahu & current Palestinian leadership. Both need to go. But how?

 

[MartyNYC]

Agreed. As things are neither side in the conflict are willing or wanting to get together to discuss a solution for peace. You & I as leaders would have a better chance for a lasting peace solution than with Netanyahu & current Palestinian leadership. Both need to go. But how?

Who is peace-seeking and who isn’t?

Israel’s Declaration of Independence: “WE EXTEND our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighborliness, and appeal to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help. The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.”

Hamas Charter: “Israel will exist until Islam will obliterate it. Jihad is the path.” “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.“

“Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.”

 

[MartyNYC]

Hamas is a creature of conflict. If the conflict is resolved, they have no reason for being.

Hamas Charter acknowledges that ”Palestine” was seized by Arabs and Muslims in military conquest. Jews are the original, indigenous population. “Palestine” originated as a Roman name for ancient Israel 500+ years earlier—Muslims hadn’t existed.

Hamas Charter: “Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.”

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who is peace-seeking and who isn’t?

Israel’s Declaration of Independence: “WE EXTEND our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples in an offer of peace and good neighborliness, and appeal to establish bonds of cooperation and mutual help. The State of Israel will ensure complete equality of social and political rights to all its inhabitants irrespective of religion, race or sex. The State of Israel is prepared to do its share in a common effort for the advancement of the entire Middle East.”

Hamas Charter: “Israel will exist until Islam will obliterate it. Jihad is the path.” “The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.“

“Our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious. It needs all sincere efforts. It is a step that inevitably should be followed by other steps. The Movement is but one squadron that should be supported by more and more squadrons from this vast Arab and Islamic world, until the enemy is vanquished and Allah's victory is realised.”

Israel’s Declaration of Independence: “WE EXTEND our hand to all neighboring states and their peoples

That is very misleading. In 1948 None of the neighboring states had any refugees and Israel did not occupy any of their territory.

Not so for Palestine where Israel made no effort for peace.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas Charter acknowledges that ”Palestine” was seized by Arabs and Muslims in military conquest. Jews are the original, indigenous population. “Palestine” originated as a Roman name for ancient Israel 500+ years earlier—Muslims hadn’t existed.

Hamas Charter: “Palestine is an Islamic Waqf land consecrated for Moslem generations until Judgement Day. This being so, who could claim to have the right to represent Moslem generations till Judgement Day?

This is the law governing the land of Palestine in the Islamic Sharia (law) and the same goes for any land the Moslems have conquered by force, because during the times of (Islamic) conquests, the Moslems consecrated these lands to Moslem generations till the Day of Judgement.”

”Palestine” was seized by Arabs and Muslims in military conquest.

How many Jewish refugees were created by this so called conquest?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Agreed. As things are neither side in the conflict are willing or wanting to get together to discuss a solution for peace. You & I as leaders would have a better chance for a lasting peace solution than with Netanyahu & current Palestinian leadership. Both need to go. But how?

You & I as leaders would have a better chance for a lasting peace solution

Interesting. What solution would you propose?

 

[MartyNYC]

How many Jewish refugees were created by this so called conquest?

So-called conquest? You’re historically illiterate…

 

[P F Tinmore]

So-called conquest? You’re historically illiterate…


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You're ducking the question.

 

[MartyNYC]

You're ducking the question.

Facts are uncomfortable, eh? Hamas acknowledges that Arabs and Muslims seized “Palestine” by military conquest. Pestilinians are not indigenous. Stick this on your pointy head.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Facts are uncomfortable, eh? Hamas acknowledges that Arabs and Muslims seized “Palestine” by military conquest. Pestilinians are not indigenous. Stick this on your pointy head.

You're still deflecting the question.

 

[MartyNYC]

You're still deflecting the question.

You‘re a simpleton. Hamas acknowledges the land was seized by conquest. Seized from which indigenous people? The Jews.

 

[MJB12741]

Interesting. What solution would you propose?

Interesting. What solution would you propose?

First we would suggest replacements for both Netanyahu & the Palestinian leadership we could agree on for each side in the conflict. Then comes the real challenge. Finding a staff on both sides to promote our proposed leaders to win elections among the people. And these two will be on our peace loving staff, if still alive. Need many more like them. And there are many others.

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