The IMPOSSIBLE didn't happen on 911

[Gamolon]

I summed up the official conspiracy theory in a concise way (in regards to the two portions which I was speaking of). I wasn't redundant in anything I said so to call it verbose doesn't seem applicable. Regardless, I take from your invective filled diatribe you are a defender of the official conspiracy, so why don't you make a principled defense?

Did you happen to miss this wihosa?

Don't forget it didn't gain weight and each floor was designed to support all the weight above it with a safety factor of four.

Time for your lesson wihosa...

Here is a diagram showing just how much bullshit your "understanding" of structural loads, floors, columns, and load distribution really contains.

As I stated earlier, the floors are designed for live loads. Live loads are changing loads consisting of people, cubicles, computers, etc. The floors, trusses, and truss connections are calculated and designed to support/distribute those live loads for THAT FLOOR ONLY!

Do you get that part? FOR THAT FLOOR ONLY.

Let that sink in before going on.

Tell us why, using your vast structural engineering wisdom, were the floor trusses and connections of floor number 1 in the twin towers not more robust than the floor trusses and connections of floor 98 in the same tower if the floors took care of the loads of the building structure above? Look at the diagram above again. The arrows pointing downward to the floors represent the live load. The arrows pointing left/right beneath the floors is the live load from the floors being distributed to the columns. The arrows point downward on the columns are showing the combined loads of everything being distributed down to the foundations (grillage components in this case).

The point were the live load of the floor meets the column is were the connections (floor truss connections) are at. All of the connections and trusses are designed to work together to distribute the live load of THAT FLOOR ONLY to the columns they are attached to. They are NOT designed to handle the entire structure above as you so stupidly claim.

It was the core columns and perimeter columns that increased in size and strength the further down you went. That's because those core columns (and to some extent the perimeter columns) were responsible for supporting/and transferring the loads of the building above to the grillages, NOT the floors. Here is a grillage to be used at the base of one of the columns. This grillage component was set on bedrock.

Your claim of "the floors are designed to support everything above them" is complete and utter bullshit and you have no clue about structural design and what goes into it. That much is perfectly clear.

 

[daws101]

Police Drug Lab Scientist Arrested For Purposely Producing False Positives On Drug Test - YouTube

ok, what the fuck does have to do with 911

 

[daws101]

DNA lab investigation - YouTube

ok, what the fuck does have to do with 911 ?

 

[daws101]

i did read somewhere that there were bodies found at the pentagon still strapped to their chairs.......

Wished i could find it. Had it bookmarked on my old computer, but it died on me.....

you could goggle it .


Location of human remains, forensics, dna identification, personal effects found


excerpt fromcollapse rescue operations at the pentagon 9-11 attack a case study on urban search and rescue disaster response (pdf)

the following approach was applied to the recovery of pentagon incident fatalities: When a victim was located, work in the area was halted to protect the body, personal belongings, and evidence. An fbi evidence team (one of several on constant standby in front of the collapse) would document the site and gather evidence. If physical extrication was required, a rescue squad from the assigned us&r task force was given this task. The next step in the process was a military mortuary team who collected and removed the victim from the building.

All the debris removed from the building was spread out by the heavy equipment, and (on the signal of the ist us&r specialist) the equipment would stop and canine search teams from the us&r task forces would deploy across the material in search of any scent indicating human remains. Then us&r search team members would conduct a physical search for remains, crawling and walking over all the debris. Finally, after being searched three or more times, the debris would be loaded into trucks with skip loaders, where it would be taken to one of the pentagon parking lots to be further combed for human remains and evidence by the fbi, atf, military units, and the arlington police department. (p. 8)

the remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families.


Articles on pentagon disaster morgue operations and victim identification


human identification in a post-9/11 world: The attack on american airlines flight 77 and the pentagon (pdf)


personal effects found– flt. 77 passenger suzanne calley's body found –mortuary affairs artifacts


the only two brothers who died at the pentagon on 9/11 were hijackers nawaf and salem al-hazmi. Remains of two brothers were identified by dna:
"the dna results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist str profiles aboard the aa flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, afdil sequenced the hvi and hvii regions of mtdna for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in hvi and hvii, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men."–Material Measurement Laboratory Homepage (p. 83)

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

still no bodies

bullshit :Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage. Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”
The Dispatch

I've JUST DEBUNKED YOUR LIE.

 

[eots]

you could goggle it .


Location of human remains, forensics, dna identification, personal effects found


excerpt fromcollapse rescue operations at the pentagon 9-11 attack a case study on urban search and rescue disaster response (pdf)

the following approach was applied to the recovery of pentagon incident fatalities: When a victim was located, work in the area was halted to protect the body, personal belongings, and evidence. An fbi evidence team (one of several on constant standby in front of the collapse) would document the site and gather evidence. If physical extrication was required, a rescue squad from the assigned us&r task force was given this task. The next step in the process was a military mortuary team who collected and removed the victim from the building.

All the debris removed from the building was spread out by the heavy equipment, and (on the signal of the ist us&r specialist) the equipment would stop and canine search teams from the us&r task forces would deploy across the material in search of any scent indicating human remains. Then us&r search team members would conduct a physical search for remains, crawling and walking over all the debris. Finally, after being searched three or more times, the debris would be loaded into trucks with skip loaders, where it would be taken to one of the pentagon parking lots to be further combed for human remains and evidence by the fbi, atf, military units, and the arlington police department. (p. 8)

the remains of every flight 77 victim but one (a two-year-old) was recovered and positively identified by forensics experts. Personal effects of many survived the crash and fires and were returned to the victims' families.


Articles on pentagon disaster morgue operations and victim identification


human identification in a post-9/11 world: The attack on american airlines flight 77 and the pentagon (pdf)


personal effects found– flt. 77 passenger suzanne calley's body found –mortuary affairs artifacts


the only two brothers who died at the pentagon on 9/11 were hijackers nawaf and salem al-hazmi. Remains of two brothers were identified by dna:
"the dna results strengthened the hypothesis that two of the terrorists were brothers, as indicated by other evidence. Two of the terrorist str profiles aboard the aa flight 77 gave a sibling index greater than 500. To further test the hypothesis of maternal relatedness, afdil sequenced the hvi and hvii regions of mtdna for these individuals. The sequences generated did match in hvi and hvii, which is consistent with a maternal relationship between the two men."–Material Measurement Laboratory Homepage (p. 83)

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

still no bodies

bullshit :Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage. Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”
The Dispatch

I've JUST DEBUNKED YOUR LIE.

why no pictures ?...they took pictures of all the pentagon staffs bodies ???
sorry all you have is a story from a questionable source and a wedding ring

 

[eots]

911 Evidence' Found!
Independent Medical Investigation Not Allowed As
Pentagon Controls Flight 77 Autopsy Results -
But Lists Three People Not Even On The Flight!

By Greg Szymanski
11-15-5

Flight 77 passenger, Suzanne Calley's, wedding ring and driver's license turns up in perfect condition from Pentagon wreckage. ATM card of Flight 11 passenger, Waleed Iskandar, also turns up unscathed, but he wasn't even listed as a passenger on the AA official flight list.


Capt. Jim Ingledue of the Virginia Beach Fire Department and 9/11 first responder recently reported he found the completely unblemished California ID card of a Flight 77 passenger amidst the devastation and rubble at the Pentagon.

Critics were quick to jump on what they called "another miraculous find," claiming it was just another indication of bogus evidence planted by FBI, including the unscathed passport found outside the WTC of one of the hijackers, Satum AL Suqami, the luggage of Muhammad Atta with blatant incriminating evidence and the perfectly intact Wells Fargo ATM card of Walled Iskandar, one of the Flight 11 passengers.

Still More 'Miraculous 911 Evidence' Found!

 

[SFC Ollie]

Translation: Your witnesses are questionable but mine are not. And any evidence you present that doesn't meet my qualifications is faked.

Tell us EOTS I showed a statement from one of the people in the cleanup and recovery who said he saw the bodies still strapped in their seats. Did he lie too?

 

[daws101]

still no bodies

bullshit :Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage. Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”
The Dispatch

I've JUST DEBUNKED YOUR LIE.

why no pictures ?...they took pictures of all the pentagon staffs bodies ???
sorry all you have is a story from a questionable source and a wedding ring

again your lack reading comprehension shines" Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage"
they stopped releasing those pictures years ago for obvious reasons.
btw you say my source is questionable is the most Ironic thing you posted to date, considering every thing you've ever posted is beyond question absolutely false.

 

[daws101]

911 Evidence' Found!
Independent Medical Investigation Not Allowed As
Pentagon Controls Flight 77 Autopsy Results -
But Lists Three People Not Even On The Flight!

By Greg Szymanski
11-15-5

Flight 77 passenger, Suzanne Calley's, wedding ring and driver's license turns up in perfect condition from Pentagon wreckage. ATM card of Flight 11 passenger, Waleed Iskandar, also turns up unscathed, but he wasn't even listed as a passenger on the AA official flight list.


Capt. Jim Ingledue of the Virginia Beach Fire Department and 9/11 first responder recently reported he found the completely unblemished California ID card of a Flight 77 passenger amidst the devastation and rubble at the Pentagon.

Critics were quick to jump on what they called "another miraculous find," claiming it was just another indication of bogus evidence planted by FBI, including the unscathed passport found outside the WTC of one of the hijackers, Satum AL Suqami, the luggage of Muhammad Atta with blatant incriminating evidence and the perfectly intact Wells Fargo ATM card of Walled Iskandar, one of the Flight 11 passengers.

Still More 'Miraculous 911 Evidence' Found!

really? bhahahahahahahaha!

 

[eots]

bullshit :Suzanne Calley died aboard American Airlines Flight 77 when terrorists hijacked the plane and sent it crashing into the Pentagon... Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage. Jensen [Calley’s husband] spent last year’s anniversary of the national tragedy in Washington, D.C. There, a Pentagon official - assigned to Calley’s family as a liaison - gave Jensen his wife’s wedding ring, which had been recovered from the plane.”
The Dispatch

I've JUST DEBUNKED YOUR LIE.

why no pictures ?...they took pictures of all the pentagon staffs bodies ???
sorry all you have is a story from a questionable source and a wedding ring

again your lack reading comprehension shines" Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage"
they stopped releasing those pictures years ago for obvious reasons.
btw you say my source is questionable is the most Ironic thing you posted to date, considering every thing you've ever posted is beyond question absolutely false.

if there was ever a photo it would be on the net forever posted and re-posted like the ones of the pentagon employees are...they was never any such picture

 

[daws101]

why no pictures ?...they took pictures of all the pentagon staffs bodies ???
sorry all you have is a story from a questionable source and a wedding ring

again your lack reading comprehension shines" Rescue crews were able to pull Calley’s body from Flight 77’s wreckage"
they stopped releasing those pictures years ago for obvious reasons.
btw you say my source is questionable is the most Ironic thing you posted to date, considering every thing you've ever posted is beyond question absolutely false.

if there was ever a photo it would be on the net forever posted and re-posted like the ones of the pentagon employees are...they was never any such picture

really? then how come every site that used to have them have removed them?
I was on another site in 04 and they were all there.
but you go on an live your little fantasy that those people aren't dead or never lived.
I'd like to be there when you talk that shit to one of the relatives.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Actually I can't tell or find documentation telling me who those are in the pictures that were used in court. They could be passengers or they could be Pentagon employees.


But the fact remains that it was reported that there were bodies still strapped to their seats.....

 

[eots]

actually i can't tell or find documentation telling me who those are in the pictures that were used in court. They could be passengers or they could be pentagon employees.


But the fact remains that it was reported that there were bodies still strapped to their seats.....

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

 

[SFC Ollie]

actually i can't tell or find documentation telling me who those are in the pictures that were used in court. They could be passengers or they could be pentagon employees.


But the fact remains that it was reported that there were bodies still strapped to their seats.....

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

 

[eots]

actually i can't tell or find documentation telling me who those are in the pictures that were used in court. They could be passengers or they could be pentagon employees.


But the fact remains that it was reported that there were bodies still strapped to their seats.....

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk]Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! - YouTube[/ame]

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxMuW8PzeHY]The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off - YouTube[/ame]

 

[candycorn]

actually i can't tell or find documentation telling me who those are in the pictures that were used in court. They could be passengers or they could be pentagon employees.


But the fact remains that it was reported that there were bodies still strapped to their seats.....

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

And you wonder why I just put shit lumps like EOTS on ignore? We're at the point to where people just make stuff up. Better to just rise above it by not getting down into it.

 

[eots]

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

And you wonder why I just put shit lumps like EOTS on ignore? We're at the point to where people just make stuff up. Better to just rise above it by not getting down into it.

I did not make anything up..cuntycornhole




Lt. Col. Karen U. Kwiatkowski, PhD, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former Political-Military Affairs Officer in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Also served on the staff of the Director of the National Security Agency. 20-year Air Force career. Member adjunct faculty, Political Science Department, James Madison University. Instructor, University of Maryland University College and American Public University System. Author of African Crisis Response Initiative: Past Present and Future (2000) and Expeditionary Air Operations in Africa: Challenges and Solutions (2001).
Contributor to 9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out 8/23/06: Account of Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, Pentagon employee and eyewitness to the events at the Pentagon on 9/11. "I believe the Commission failed to deeply examine the topic at hand, failed to apply scientific rigor to its assessment of events leading up to and including 9/11, failed to produce a believable and unbiased summary of what happened, failed to fully examine why it happened, and even failed to include a set of unanswered questions for future research. ...

It is as a scientist that I have the most trouble with the official government conspiracy theory, mainly because it does not satisfy the rules of probability or physics. The collapses of the World Trade Center buildings clearly violate the laws of probability and physics. ...

There was a dearth of visible debris on the relatively unmarked [Pentagon] lawn, where I stood only minutes after the impact. Beyond this strange absence of airliner debris, there was no sign of the kind of damage to the Pentagon structure one would expect from the impact of a large airliner. This visible evidence or lack thereof may also have been apparent to the secretary of defense [Donald Rumsfeld], who in an unfortunate slip of the tongue referred to the aircraft that slammed into the Pentagon as a "missile". ...

I saw nothing of significance at the point of impact - no airplane metal or cargo debris was blowing on the lawn in front of the damaged building as smoke billowed from within the Pentagon. ... all of us staring at the Pentagon that morning were indeed looking for such debris, but what we expected to see was not evident.

The same is true with regard to the kind of damage we expected. ... But I did not see this kind of damage. Rather, the facade had a rather small hole, no larger than 20 feet in diameter. Although this facade later collapsed, it remained standing for 30 or 40 minutes, with the roof line remaining relatively straight.

The scene, in short, was not what I would have expected from a strike by a large jetliner. It was, however, exactly what one would expect if a missile had struck the Pentagon. ...

More information is certainly needed regarding the events of 9/11 and the events leading up to that terrible day."

Bio: http://militaryweek.com/

 

[SFC Ollie]

dont you find it odd that there are reports...but no pictures considering all the gruesome pictures they did release..there are also reports from pentagon employees that is was a missile launched as the play flew over the building

Bullshit.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIy9hjB3DGk]Pentagon Employee Witness Says There Was No Plane on 9-11-2001! - YouTube[/ame]

A woman, probably nearly in hysterics because of her newborn saw nothing that looked like a plane..... Same woman who at first thought she had triggered a bomb.....

yeah sure, she just barely escaped with her life and scrambled through the wreckage with her newborn over her shoulder, was transported to the hospital but asked other people if they saw a plane......
Where was she assigned? Showing an ID doesn't say anything about where she was assigned. Why would any supervisor insist that a woman bring their newborn to work with them. And she tells us that floors collapsed when the plane first hit. Why did she go to the hospital? And she helped other people and at the last second found her own child, was the child hurt? Why did people help her after she said they were to worried about getting out of there? Her story is as full of holes as yours.......

 

[SFC Ollie]

The Pentagon Flyover - How They Pulled It Off - YouTube

Please, 1hr 40 minutes? And you think we'll stop and look at this propaganda? When I'm really really bored some month maybe.....